4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Eagles are 13th in DVOA & 11th in point differential. We're an above-average team that is worthy of the playoffs.

IDK... with a 16-game format we don't get to face the Jets, with a 12-team playoff format I don't know if we are sitting pretty at 8-7.  Really, I'm trying not to look this gift horse in the mouth.  

11 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Crazy how many people on social media admire a rapist just because he’s good at a sport 

 

Well we saw a lot of that here with people yearning for Deshaun Watson over the summer. 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's hysterical how people lie to themselves. 

If Wentz was threatened by Hurts (after missing 3 straight playoffs due to injury), he's too weak minded to be a top QB. Mental toughness is part of the job description.

Wentz hasn't been lights out in Indy, he's pretty much the same QB who finished 2019, most effective when he runs a conservative, run oriented scheme where he doesn't make too many high risk throws - he's simply not the same guy he was in 2017.  There wasn't a huge gap between Wentz and Hurts this year, and Wentz went 9-7, Hurts 8-7 with equivalent talent (might give Indy the edge on defense).

Wentz turns 30, makes $30+M a year, and we got a 1st and 3rd for him and ended up about where we'd have been with Wentz at QB. Win win for both teams.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Moving the goal posts again.  I never said that.  It is a bit of a popularity contest, and it seems the Eagles' recent draft picks aren't popular.  I wonder why?

 

But, good to see you fix one misstatement from your recent postings.  Hurts is an alternate.

 

But, to clarify my post is not to use Pro Bowl status as a barometer, but to use it as a factually based assessment that is verifiable, not opinion based by us.  The point being that almost every single team in the NFL has managed at least one (specifically drafted AFTER the Eagles' first pick), except for the Eagles and about 3 dreck of the league teams like the Lions and Jets are the only ones that haven't... it sort of shows something.  It's not definitive proof of anything, but it is an indicator of talent to be found when the Eagles are on the board.  Ignoring the Pro Bowlers selected before the Eagles first pick, and ONLY identifying those drafted AFTER the Eagles' first selection eliminates the 'Howie can't find good talent because of his draft position' garbage that is spewed by some.  There's more than 1 round in every draft, and there's more talent in the draft than those players selected in the first 15-20 selections.  The fact that good players can be found in Rounds 2 - 7 would indicate that Howie has no excuse for not finding talent when the teams drafting behind him still can.  

 

Just a quick recount and from 2017 through 2021, the number is in the mid-40s.  So, more than 40 players were selected after the Eagles in that 5 drafts that Howie chose to go a different direction with... that's an average of 8 per year.  So, we can put to rest the whole, Howie can't find those players because they always go before our pick garbage.  That is the point of such a post, not to measure the successful draft versus the unsuccessful... but to eliminate the excuse of Howie is picking too late to find any studs.  

 

Measuring a draft purely by 'starter' status is pretty relative too, isn't it?   Why is Reagor starting for the Eagles?   Because he should, or literally because of his draft status?  Is Edwards starting because he should, or because there's no one better to start over him?  Obviously, you want to draft players that start for your team, but you also want them to start because they earned it, not 'by default'.  

How many pro-bowlers should a team that wants to win the Super Bowl have on it, in your opinion? 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

If Wentz was threatened by Hurts (after missing 3 straight playoffs due to injury), he's too weak minded to be a top QB. Mental toughness is part of the job description.

Wentz hasn't been lights out in Indy, he's pretty much the same QB who finished 2019, most effective when he runs a conservative, run oriented scheme where he doesn't make too many high risk throws - he's simply not the same guy he was in 2017.  There wasn't a huge gap between Wentz and Hurts this year, and Wentz went 9-7, Hurts 8-7 with equivalent talent (might give Indy the edge on defense).

Wentz turns 30, makes $30+M a year, and we got a 1st and 3rd for him and ended up about where we'd have been with Wentz at QB. Win win for both teams.

He turned 29 like 5 days ago, I think he has while to make it to 30, and he only makes $20M a year because we are the ones who paid his signing bonus and instantly traded him. 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Why, did you like it?

Better than Viagra

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I recently met a family member of his. She said Considine loved Reid, JJ and Harbaugh. He absolutely hated Jack Del Rio and Jacksonville. 

Jack Del Rio being hated by his players is unsurprising.  

7 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

IDK... with a 16-game format we don't get to face the Jets, with a 12-team playoff format I don't know if we are sitting pretty at 8-7.  Really, I'm trying not to look this gift horse in the mouth.  

DVOA takes opponent into account.

Eagles beat the Jets by 15. Jets beat the Titans & the Bengals! Jets lost to the Bucs by 4 & Dolphins by 7. 

So yes we beat the Jets, but we beat them by more than the average team.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

That's called "cherry picking." Sure you can draft a Kelce, but that's rare. Goedert should be a pro bowl TE, he's the best two way TE in the NFL. So that's a limited criteria.

Given where they drafted those four years, they garnered more than the expected value of their draft picks. That's how you judge a draft.

And that includes the whiffs, does anyone really care if Dillard is a 1st or Mailata a 7th? We ended up with an elite LT (and trade bait this spring).

 

There it is again... even though, we just went through that 'given where they drafted', they missed continually on those other players that other teams managed to unearth.  

Were they or were they not in position to draft TJ Watt, and ended up with Derek Barnett?  Sure, we'll get the argument about Watt being a 3-4 OLB, rather than a DE.  (Even though one is 6'4" 252lb, and the other is 6'4" 259lb...). So, we put that aside and recognize they went Barnett over Ladavius White or Shaquill Griffin at CB, and decided to come back with Sydney Jones in Round 2 instead of White in Round 1 or Griffin in Round 2.   And that they passed on RBs in the most heavily stocked RB draft in a long time and came away with Donnell Pumphrey, while they passed on Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon (which I still agree with), Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt and James Conner... or that they passed on Cooper Kupp, Chris Godwin and Kenny Golladay at WR to bring in Barnett and Jones.

Point is:  they had plenty of opportunities to land better players than they did... and came away with highly disappointing players instead.   And sure, you can do that with every team with all their missed picks.  I just wish that the Eagles were one of the teams with one of the guys that other fans would say... and you took player X over ... "Avante Maddox".  ?

 

The long and the short of it is this:  Howie will be in charge of this draft and he needs to do better... much better than he has recently to actually find talent on the board when the Eagles are selecting.  He can't have the excuse from Lurie, or his cronies like you, talking about how many of the players that went before him were targets... he needs to find more targets!  If he's picking at 14, he needs 15 targets.  If he's picking at 21, he needs 24 targets.  And when he's on the clock, one of the names he's considering at that moment needs to be a guy who will be on the team for more than his rookie deal.  He's got 3 chances this year in Round 1.  He needs to absolutely hit on at least 2 of them, or all this asset accumulation has been worthless.   Assets are only good if you can cash them in for value later.   Drafting Jahlil Okafor at #3 doesn't cut it... That's not good asset allocation.

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No, they aren't. A rational fan should be able to tell what is an exception to the rule.

So you don't want "high ceiling potential" guys that are likely projects, could have other issues, etc in the later rounds?   The later round are all about risk/reward/value.  Every GM in the NFL will tell you that's what they look for in those later rounds.  The only exception is if they draft a kicker or special teams specialist.  

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

How many pro-bowlers should a team that wants to win the Super Bowl have on it, in your opinion? 

Tell you what... you do the research and find the least number that were on any team that won the Super Bowl.  And I think that's your mark.  

 

If I were guessing, I'd say the number has to be at least 5.

 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Tell you what... you do the research and find the least number that were on any team that won the Super Bowl.  And I think that's your mark.  

 

If I were guessing, I'd say the number has to be at least 5.

The Eagles had 3 players (Brooks, Ertz and Cox) who (would have) started in the pro-bowl and started in the Super Bowl when they beat the best QB in NFL history.  (Jenkins and Johnson were reserves that year and Carson was hurt).

 

 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

So you don't want "high ceiling potential" guys that are likely projects, could have other issues, etc in the later rounds?   The later round are all about risk/reward/value.  Every GM in the NFL will tell you that's what they look for in those later rounds.  The only exception is if they draft a kicker or special teams specialist.  

Here we go with moving goal posts again. 

Yes, you obviously want high ceiling potential guys that are likely projects in the later rounds. You said "most late round picks are high celling potential guys", which is not true. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The Eagles had 3 players (Brooks, Ertz and Cox) who (would have) started in the pro-bowl and started in the Super Bowl when they beat the best QB in NFL history.  (Jenkins and Johnson were reserves that year and Carson was hurt).

 

 

So... 5.  Thanks.  Being a 'reserve' Pro Bowler is still a Pro Bowler.   That's not the same as Alternate.  Technically 6, because Wentz was named, even though he didn't play in the Super Bowl.

22 hours ago, Next_Up said:

One thing I've notice is that the bias of those who want Hurts to fail because they are afraid that any sign of success will mean he remains the Eagles QB is significant. If you watch a lot of other teams, you will see that his QB play is pretty good right now in comparison. Does he miss open receivers? Yes. Does every QB? Yes. He has gotten a lot better game by game and his pocket presence was good yesterday. Where are all the "he goes in circles" jerks when he evades pressure and uses his mobility to make a play like he did yesterday? Right now he looks better than 50% of the QBs out there and the "running back at QB" BS should begin to stop because he is no longer taking off at the first sign of pressure. He is playing within the system and being efficient. You can win with a mobile QB. Give him a chance to evolve his game and see if this is who he can be rather than branding him for eternity as a running QB.

Lol.  This won’t go over well with most these guys in here 

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

Eagles are 13th in DVOA & 11th in point differential. We're an above-average team that is worthy of the playoffs.

I like DVOA, but this isn’t really the year to use it. I don’t think it’s particularly valid due to teams getting gutted with Covid and QB injuries. We caught teams at the right time. 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

DVOA takes opponent into account.

Eagles beat the Jets by 15. Jets beat the Titans & the Bengals! Jets lost to the Bucs by 4 & Dolphins by 7. 

So yes we beat the Jets, but we beat them by more than the average team.

If you want to just pick and choose games, sure. They also lost by 19 to the Patriots, 26 to Broncos, 41 to Patriots, 15 to Colts, 28 to Bills and 21 to Saints. Their average loss for the year is by 16.25 points.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Here we go with moving goal posts again. 

Yes, you obviously want high ceiling potential guys that are likely projects in the later rounds. You said "most late round picks are high celling potential guys", which is not true. 

You're joking right?  

21 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's hysterical how people lie to themselves. 

If Wentz wins 4 MVPs do the eagles get a higher pick???that would be the only reason I care.

Like I said he's old news, why would I give him any of my attention, he bailed on the eagles and the franchise first sign of trouble and we get fans like you who justify it.

You think any of the current eagle players give two hoots about Wentz?

They're focused on the task at hand and playing as a team with what they got, not one player is crying over Wentz, maybe Ertz did and that whiner is gone too.

Kelce is fully behind hurts, he's fully behind the his team, he's not mulling around after losses wondering what if wentz, he's too busy grinding with his current team.

Maybe instead of telling people they don't feel how they just told you how they feel you should accept that not everyone thinks the same and when they tell you how they feel what they think that's how they actually feel.

 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You mean like calling people "Dallas fans” because they want better for our team?  

Nah.  Called them Dallas fans because they're clueless.  Next. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

You're joking right?  

You already said Shaun Bradley is a high ceiling player so I know you are.

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Undersized inside linebacker better-suited at the WILL spot in a 3-4, where he can be protected by size around him. He has enough speed and nose for the football to find work on this level, but it may not translate to success in the pros due to his lack of traits and plus speed. He's not twitchy or athletic enough to get away without top-notch instincts and recognition. He's just average in those areas. He loves football. The intangibles and special teams production could give him a shot.

If that doesn't just scream "High Ceiling" I don't know what does.

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I like DVOA, but this isn’t really the year to use it. I don’t think it’s particularly valid due to teams getting gutted with Covid and QB injuries. We caught teams at the right time. 

Sure, but the Giants being bad is factored into the math. We also caught Carolina when they were good, Tampa with their offensive starters, etc. It evens out a bit.

But yeah, you can only beat who is in front of you.