9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

He averages 6 targets / 3 catches in the Eagles wins, I dont think much would change. 

also averages 53 yards, and he has scored 3 TD's in the 9 wins.

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

@justrelax what are your thoughts on the above "take" on Ojabo?

I love him. I think he'll end up being a better pro than Aidan but he needs a year to get stronger and develop more technique. He's really quick, flexible, has great balance, but he's raw. I'm thinking Josh Sweat with good knees.

If you want to be mad at not trading with the Bears, be mad at Carson for vetoing a trade there. We had a 1st for Carson from Chicago, but Carson wanted to go to Indy instead.

Smith is open on 90% of the plays.  When we have a real QB, he will be a 1000 yard receiver.

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So Per Garafolo, Howie reportedly turned down a trade from the Bears in the last draft which would have given us 4 first round picks this year, one which is 8 overall. Plus we would have had the an extra 2021 3rd and whatever else the Bears would give instead of taking Smith. 

 

20 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

4 is kinda overkill. I rather have Smith. 

 

17 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

So D. Smith for #20 in 2021, #83 in 2021,  #8 in 2022 and maybe a throw in 5th.

Ya, I'd drive D. Smith to the airport for those 4 picks 

 

13 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Tell you what. You take his seat and I'll drive you.

This excange of comments is a perfect segue for me to ask a question that has been on my mind for a few days now.  Specifically, in a trade down scenario where the best the eagles are going to get for their third 1st Round pick is a 2022 2nd Round pick plus a 2023 2nd Round pick, would you consider a 2022 2nd Round pick plus a 2024 1st Round pick as worth considering as a counter offer?

32 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Is Hurts "successful” in a new system? 
 

he has a 16/9 TD/INT ratio, which is horrendous in the modern NFL. The Eagles made the playoffs on the backs of their running game and any time they needed to win a game through the air, sans the last Washington game, their offense totally fell apart. 
 

In one game Minshew stepped in, the offense didn’t miss a beat. And you can say well that was the Jets, but Hurts also struggled mightily against plenty of bad teams this year. They haven’t beaten a team above .500 all season.

Taking bias out, what did Hurts do this season that was so special. I think people’s standards have fallen so much. He threw for over 200 yards in a passing league in only 30% of his games. That’s ridiculous.

Make no mistake. If the Eagles lose in wildcard game, it’s a high probability it’ll come down to the simple fact that the opponent had the better QB. The Eagles aren’t going to get to that championship level with Hurts.

So if you can get one of those guys via trade, F yes you do it. This team could go on a real run with one of those guys.

But I keep seeing people say keep your picks and build up your defense. Forgetting that the most important position in pro sports is still your team’s biggest weakness. The amount of bending backwards to defend Hurts is just crazy. I got into an argument yesterday with someone who said Wilson is "only slightly” better than Hurts, and that Hurts is a proven winner, but Rodgers has only won one Super Bowl.

What the F has gotten into people? We’ve gone from "4 straight NFC championship games isn’t good enough, it’s Super Bowl or bust!” To "Hurts is the QB of the future and a flat out winner” when the team is squeaking into the playoffs in the worst division in the NFL and not beating a single winning team. Philly fans have gotten soft.

So, if you have one of those elite QBs you're guananteed a SB run? (of which Wilson no longer counts, see how good Seattle has been the last few years? (missed PO twice, knocked out in first rd twice). When Seattle went on their run, it wasn't b/c of Wilson, it was b/c they had the top defense in the NFL for four seasons.

GB missed the PO two years running WITH Rodgers, b/c their defense was bottom ten, they bounced back when the defense bounced back.

If you mortgage the future without first building a championship caliber defense, you're going to get knocked out of the playoffs in the first or second rd every year - and if you mortgage the future for a QB at the end of his career, that window will slam shut when he declines.

 

 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

If you want to be mad at not trading with the Bears, be mad at Carson for vetoing a trade there. We had a 1st for Carson from Chicago, but Carson wanted to go to Indy instead.

What ??  We were discussing a draft day trade, he was already with the Colts, and we got a 1st.  Not sure what you are saying here.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

If you want to be mad at not trading with the Bears, be mad at Carson for vetoing a trade there. We had a 1st for Carson from Chicago, but Carson wanted to go to Indy instead.

A twitter rumor from a nobody who gained fame for said rumor which didn't ever happen or was ever backed up by a national reporter, who then returned back to being a nobody, probably isn't reliable. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC...does everything have to be spun to blame Wentz?  Good God man!  Get Over It!  

 

Listen, gingers are bad...

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I love him. I think he'll end up being a better pro than Aidan but he needs a year to get stronger and develop more technique. He's really quick, flexible, has great balance, but he's raw. I'm thinking Josh Sweat with good knees.

Thanks. 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

GB missed the PO two years running WITH Rodgers, b/c their defense was bottom ten, they bounced back when the defense bounced back.

We are in the playoffs.  Do you think we can win 1, 2, 3 or 4 games with Hurts ??

5 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I love him. I think he'll end up being a better pro than Aidan but he needs a year to get stronger and develop more technique. He's really quick, flexible, has great balance, but he's raw. I'm thinking Josh Sweat with good knees.

So, here's a follow-up question for everyone.  Who do you like more, Nakobe Dean or Devin Lloyd? And do you think the eagles will go contrary to historical drafting patterns and take one of those two in the 1st Round.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A twitter rumor from a nobody who gained fame for said rumor which didn't ever happen or was ever backed up by a national reporter, who then returned back to being a nobody, probably isn't reliable. 

IIRC at the time the reports were that CHI never budged from their 2nd and 3rd round offer; there was no way they were offering a 1st.  That's why Howie made the conditional deal with IND

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So, if you have one of those elite QBs (of which Wilson no longer counts, see how good Seattle has been the last few years? (missed PO twice, knocked out in first rd twice). When they went on their run, it wasn't b/c of Wilson, it was b/c they had the top defense in the NFL for four seasons.

GB missed the PO two years running WITH Rodgers, b/c their defense was bottom ten, they bounced back when the defense bounced back.

If you mortgage the future without first building a championship caliber defense, you're going to get knocked out of the playoffs in the first or second rd every year - and if you mortgage the future for a QB at the end of his career, that window will slam shut when he declines.

 

 

One of those years Aaron Rodgers was injured. That has been the anomaly, not the rule with Rodgers. They've been a perennial contender every year because of him. When he's been hurt, they fall to pieces. Without Rodgers this year they're probably a 5 win team. This year they don't have a "great" defense. It's solid. It's nothing dominant by any stretch.

There are no great defenses in the NFL anymore. It's an offensive league and you win with offense. The Chiefs haven't had a great defense since Mahomes has gotten there and went to back to back SBs.

I disagree Wilson isn't elite anymore, he would be with this offensive line. And you don't need the draft capital you'd trade for either of those QBs to add to the defense, if Howie's as bright as everyone says he is. Find other ways to help the D.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

 

 

 

This excange of comments is a perfect segue for me to ask a question that has been on my mind for a few days now.  Specifically, in a trade down scenario where the best the eagles are going to get for their third 1st Round pick is a 2022 2nd Round pick plus a 2023 2nd Round pick, would you consider a 2022 2nd Round pick plus a 2024 1st Round pick as worth considering as a counter offer?

As far as value, it's close to being the same but I wouldn't be interested in acquiring an asset in the 2024 draft which would be the centerpiece of the trade.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A twitter rumor from a nobody who gained fame for said rumor which didn't ever happen or was ever backed up by a national reporter, who then returned back to being a nobody, probably isn't reliable. 

TBF, Carson acted in his own best interest. Frank Reich >>>>>> Matt Nagy & Chris Ballard >>>>>> Ryan Pace.

Players do this all the time. 

We had a 2nd rounder for Corey Simon too, before he vetoed that. A team is not trading premium picks for a player who doesn't want to be there.

Other notable ones include Gronk getting trade to the Lions for a 2nd rounder, before Gronk said no.

Just now, mattwill said:

So, here's a follow-up question for everyone.  Who do you like more, Nakobe Dean or Devin Lloyd? And do you think the eagles will go contrary to historical drafting patterns and take one of those two in the 1st Round.

I'm not wild about either Dean or Lloyd as 1st round prospects but I defer to the draft gurus who rate them highest.  When I watch film I prefer Christian Harris and Brandon Smith to both of them.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

IIRC at the time the reports were that CHI never budged from their 2nd and 3rd round offer; there was no way they were offering a 1st.  That's why Howie made the conditional deal with IND

I recall that being thrown out too, but I'm not even sure how reliable that was. From what I remember the two leading sources was kid in Chicago who has a podcast and Natalie Egenolf, who, well, lets just leave that alone to not offend anyone. 

Just now, mattwill said:

So, here's a follow-up question for everyone.  Who do you like more, Nakobe Dean or Devin Lloyd? And do you think the eagles will go contrary to historical drafting patterns and take one of those two in the 1st Round.

 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I wish Kyle Hamilton would like get in a fight or a DUI or something.  Just as long as no one is hurt and he slides.  Maybe he can say he's not vaxxed.....just for the time being.  Or that his mom is a street walker.  

Dean and no, they won't draft an LB in the first. 

Time for Kyle to don a bong mask and go to town.

50 minutes ago, RLC said:

The 2013 class was considered awful, but we got Lane/Ertz back to back. Ironically, we also now have Slay from that class.

Other elite players from that class: Travis Kelce, Tyrann Mattheu, Hopkins, Keenan Allen, Terron Armstead, David Bakhtiari, Micah Hyde, Ryan Jensen, Le'Veon Bell, etc.

They said weakest QB class since 2013.

Does not include the COVID Crew.

 

51 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

wait, you think we would give all of our draft picks for Rodgers? Also, I get that adding his contract would be financially limiting (and we can blame Howie for that) but if you can do it, make it work, you do it. 

To answer your question, add Rodgers to this very team today, and we would have a shot at a winning the SB. 

I think it would cost 3 1sts to keep him in the NFC.  

 

As for the bolded... no, you do it.  I do not.  And we will have to disagree on that last bit.  I don't think this defense is ready for that, and if we give up all our premium draft resources and our available cap space, I don't think that changes for 2022.

 

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

So, here's a follow-up question for everyone.  Who do you like more, Nakobe Dean or Devin Lloyd? And do you think the eagles will go contrary to historical drafting patterns and take one of those two in the 1st Round.

Dean.  Consistently higher level of competition.

48 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Who is your favorite worst Cowboy/Eagle player of all time?

 

 

Mine is Felix Jones

Chris Boniol.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Is Hurts "successful” in a new system? 
 

he has a 16/9 TD/INT ratio, which is horrendous in the modern NFL. The Eagles made the playoffs on the backs of their running game and any time they needed to win a game through the air, sans the last Washington game, their offense totally fell apart. 
 

In one game Minshew stepped in, the offense didn’t miss a beat. And you can say well that was the Jets, but Hurts also struggled mightily against plenty of bad teams this year. They haven’t beaten a team above .500 all season.

Taking bias out, what did Hurts do this season that was so special. I think people’s standards have fallen so much. He threw for over 200 yards in a passing league in only 30% of his games. That’s ridiculous.

Make no mistake. If the Eagles lose in wildcard game, it’s a high probability it’ll come down to the simple fact that the opponent had the better QB. The Eagles aren’t going to get to that championship level with Hurts.

So if you can get one of those guys via trade, F yes you do it. This team could go on a real run with one of those guys.

But I keep seeing people say keep your picks and build up your defense. Forgetting that the most important position in pro sports is still your team’s biggest weakness. The amount of bending backwards to defend Hurts is just crazy. I got into an argument yesterday with someone who said Wilson is "only slightly” better than Hurts, and that Hurts is a proven winner, but Rodgers has only won one Super Bowl.

What the F has gotten into people? We’ve gone from "4 straight NFC championship games isn’t good enough, it’s Super Bowl or bust!” To "Hurts is the QB of the future and a flat out winner” when the team is squeaking into the playoffs in the worst division in the NFL and not beating a single winning team. Philly fans have gotten soft.

The argument for keeping Hurts isn't based on his performance level being good enough.  It's based on the progress he has shown vs. the resource cost of getting an elite QB.  If there were multiple elite QB prospects in this draft, I don't think you give a second thought to a trade up for one of those prospects.  There's no first round pick that's a better bet to develop than Hurts at this point.  I don't think the team can expend draft capital on a speculative prospect nor give up too much draft capital so they can't improve a roster that lacks young talent at multiple positions. 

If Wilson will agree to a trade to the Eagles, I think you have to consider it but the hope is to trade future capital rather than all of the current capital in the first round.  I think the argument is the same if Rodgers is available.  I think Watson is off limits given his legal issues.  The key for acquiring any of these players is not handicapping the team's ability to add talent to the defensive side of the ball.  

When this team has been beat this season, it's been more often because of opposing QBs just carving apart the secondary. While there is uncertainty whether Hurts can develop as an above average QB, there is certainty the defense needs more talented players to be competitive.  The defense is a bigger weakness at this point than Hurts.  

The myth is that a franchise QB alone makes a team competitive.  Teams need a top 10 performing defense in order to win.  It is just as important as a franchise QB.  The best defensive players are aging veterans that need to be replaced.  Even if you replace that talent, the team still lacks a real difference maker at any level.