Someone in the local Philly media is getting a kick out of this.

Bart Simpson would be proud.

I did wonder earlier if teams are slightly gaming the COVID protocols at this time of year to rest players but still be able to utilise the PS to cover for them. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think it would cost 3 1sts to keep him in the NFC.  

 

As for the bolded... no, you do it.  I do not.  And we will have to disagree on that last bit.  I don't think this defense is ready for that, and if we give up all our premium draft resources and our available cap space, I don't think that changes for 2022.

I agree 100% with Iggles_Phan.  I too don't think this defense is ready for that.  Plus the team gets older rather than younger.

34 minutes ago, mattwill said:

 

Hitting on all three 1st Round picks three years in a row is also tough to do.  The reality is that players of all stripes show differently in the NFL than they do in College.  I'm sure there are statistics that show what the "failure" rate is of draft picks by round over the years.

I believe the common number thrown out for 1st round is 50%.  But, Howie needs to beat that to make up for past failures.

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So, if you have one of those elite QBs you're guananteed a SB run? (of which Wilson no longer counts, see how good Seattle has been the last few years? (missed PO twice, knocked out in first rd twice). When Seattle went on their run, it wasn't b/c of Wilson, it was b/c they had the top defense in the NFL for four seasons.

GB missed the PO two years running WITH Rodgers, b/c their defense was bottom ten, they bounced back when the defense bounced back.

If you mortgage the future without first building a championship caliber defense, you're going to get knocked out of the playoffs in the first or second rd every year - and if you mortgage the future for a QB at the end of his career, that window will slam shut when he declines.

 

 

Holy straw man, Batman!

2 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Someone in the local Philly media is getting a kick out of this.

Bart Simpson would be proud.

I did wonder earlier if teams are slightly gaming the COVID protocols at this time of year to rest players but still be able to utilise the PS to cover for them. 

100% they are. They have been gaming it all year to begin with. For example, Chiefs activated Travis Kelce off the COVID list in hopes that he would clear protocols for the game and be available, but he didn't and had to miss a game. I would expect teams like the Eagles to do the opposite and just leave a ton of players on the list even if they can be activated just to rest them and get more open spots for PS elevations. 

21 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I love him. I think he'll end up being a better pro than Aidan but he needs a year to get stronger and develop more technique. He's really quick, flexible, has great balance, but he's raw. I'm thinking Josh Sweat with good knees.

I was hoping for better than that... Maybe something like Demarcus Lawrence, and like him, take a year or two to really get his feet under him.

52 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Who is your favorite worst Cowboy/Eagle player of all time?

 

 

Mine is Felix Jones

Emmitt Smith by a mile.  I lived in Dallas from 1989 through 1996 and went to the game where the Eagles sacked Aikman eleven times.  Smith was the MVP on that team year after year ... and they were very good years for the Boys.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Luis Zendejas or Corey Clement 

Not sure I follow. He rode off into the sunset and retired after his rookie year and SB win.

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

 

 

 

This excange of comments is a perfect segue for me to ask a question that has been on my mind for a few days now.  Specifically, in a trade down scenario where the best the eagles are going to get for their third 1st Round pick is a 2022 2nd Round pick plus a 2023 2nd Round pick, would you consider a 2022 2nd Round pick plus a 2024 1st Round pick as worth considering as a counter offer?

Which pick are we trading back from in 2022, and how high is the 22 2nd?   If its like 24 back to 34... then yes, I do it.

18 minutes ago, mattwill said:

So, here's a follow-up question for everyone.  Who do you like more, Nakobe Dean or Devin Lloyd? And do you think the eagles will go contrary to historical drafting patterns and take one of those two in the 1st Round.

I like Dean.  Eagles will pass on both.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

we did this in high school. signed up the teachers for spam mail and changed the names. same with magazines

So it's you that sent it.  Good job!

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

100% they are. They have been gaming it all year to begin with. For example, Chiefs activated Travis Kelce off the COVID list in hopes that he would clear protocols for the game and be available, but he didn't and had to miss a game. I would expect teams like the Eagles to do the opposite and just leave a ton of players on the list even if they can be activated just to rest them and get more open spots for PS elevations. 

Parsons was the one that made me really suspicious this week. What better way to give a rookie a rest than say he has COVID now you know the playoffs are guaranteed?  Especially when he tested mid week, rather than on a Monday.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not sure I follow. He rode off into the sunset and retired after his rookie year and SB win.

Miles Austin is my fav.  There were some who were deluded enough to think he was still a good player when the Eagles signed him.  I guess Chip, for one.

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The argument for keeping Hurts isn't based on his performance level being good enough.  It's based on the progress he has shown vs. the resource cost of getting an elite QB.  If there were multiple elite QB prospects in this draft, I don't think you give a second thought to a trade up for one of those prospects.  There's no first round pick that's a better bet to develop than Hurts at this point.  I don't think the team can expend draft capital on a speculative prospect nor give up too much draft capital so they can't improve a roster that lacks young talent at multiple positions. 

If Wilson will agree to a trade to the Eagles, I think you have to consider it but the hope is to trade future capital rather than all of the current capital in the first round.  I think the argument is the same if Rodgers is available.  I think Watson is off limits given his legal issues.  The key for acquiring any of these players is not handicapping the team's ability to add talent to the defensive side of the ball.  

When this team has been beat this season, it's been more often because of opposing QBs just carving apart the secondary. While there is uncertainty whether Hurts can develop as an above average QB, there is certainty the defense needs more talented players to be competitive.  The defense is a bigger weakness at this point than Hurts.  

The myth is that a franchise QB alone makes a team competitive.  Teams need a top 10 performing defense in order to win.  It is just as important as a franchise QB.  The best defensive players are aging veterans that need to be replaced.  Even if you replace that talent, the team still lacks a real difference maker at any level.  

No it isn't. The difference in the modern NFL between a top 10 defense and a 16th ranked defense is very small. Defense is less and less relevant in the modern NFL. And a franchise QB alone won't make a team a contender, but if the Eagles traded for one, they wouldn't be alone. They'd be inheriting a 9 win team that got there with a mediocre QB. I'd argue this defense isn't that bad and it's more scheme than talent. And I'd argue talent at QB is what is holding the offense back, not scheme. Hire a real coordinator and they could make the Eagles defense respectable. But you're going to have a hard time making your passing game look respectable with a QB who is a bad passer.

I don't think Hurts has shown that much progress. He's been up and down going back to last year. He's shown no consistent upward trajectory or improvement in any area. He'll have solid games and have awful games. He'll have good halves and bad halves. What has he really improved on that much going back to last season?

And trading those picks isn't handicapping their ability to add talent to the defense. There are plenty of ways to do that.

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Emmitt Smith by a mile.  I lived in Dallas from 1989 through 1996 and went to the game where the Eagles sacked Aikman eleven times.  Smith was the MVP on that team year after year ... and they were very good years for the Boys.

Disqualified.  Has to be a player that played for both.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Which pick are we trading back from in 2022, and how high is the 22 2nd?   If its like 24 back to 34... then yes, I do it.

Ideally you are trading with one of the worst teams in the league, but one that has a specific target player in mind the way the Ravens had Jackson in mind when they did the Goedert trade.  In that trade the Eagles received a second-round pick (No. 52), a fourth-round pick (No. 125) and a 2019 second-round pick. so the alternative trade would become the Eagles receiving a second-round pick (No. 52), a fourth-round pick (No. 125) and a 2020 first-round pick.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not sure I follow. He rode off into the sunset and retired after his rookie year and SB win.

Agreed... that's exactly what happened.   All facts to the contrary are fake news.  Harold Carmichael had a similar fate, only without the SB win. 

1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

So it's you that sent it.  Good job!

Parsons was the one that made me really suspicious this week. What better way to give a rookie a rest than say he has COVID now you know the playoffs are guaranteed?  Especially when he tested mid week, rather than on a Monday.

I don't think they are faking he has tested positive for COVID because that seems really easy to debunk and then heavily fine for. I do think playoff teams are doing "voluntary" daily testing though.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Disqualified.  Has to be a player that played for both.

I clearly did not understand the question.  My bad.

Just now, mattwill said:

Ideally you are trading with one of the worst teams in the league, but one that has a specific target player in mind the way the Ravens had Jackson in mind when they did the Goedert trade.  In that trade the Eagles received a second-round pick (No. 52), a fourth-round pick (No. 125) and a 2019 second-round pick. so the alternative trade would become the Eagles receiving a second-round pick (No. 52), a fourth-round pick (No. 125) and a 2020 first-round pick.

Yes, but unlike trading with the Ravens, I want to trade that pick with the Jags, Lions or Jets, and score a top 5 pick in 2024.

26 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I love him. I think he'll end up being a better pro than Aidan but he needs a year to get stronger and develop more technique. He's really quick, flexible, has great balance, but he's raw. I'm thinking Josh Sweat with good knees.

I think Hutch is basically a Jared Allen clone...I hope Ojabo has a JPP (minus the firework incident) career.  My biggest concern with Ojabo is the learning curve.  We desperately need an 'impact' DE and he might need to be brought along slowly.  His athleticism like you said is absolutely insane. 

And btw, what secondaries don't elite QBs pick apart? They pick apart even the best secondaries. That's why getting that elite QB is so important. You have to outscore those elite QBs if you want to beat them. The Eagles have no shot at doing that with an offense that's horrible at throwing the football.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, but unlike trading with the Ravens, I want to trade that pick with the Jags, Lions or Jets, and score a top 5 pick in 2024.

Understood and agreed.  I used that as an example of a real life trade that illustrated the concept.

 

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I think Hutch is basically a Jared Allen clone...I hope Ojabo has a JPP (minus the firework incident) career.  My biggest concern with Ojabo is the learning curve.  We desperately need an 'impact' DE and he might need to be brought along slowly.  His athleticism like you said is absolutely insane. 

I'll wait a year for that impact.  We are likely waiting longer for the QB, so having the DE be 21 years old and on a bit of a slow learning curve just helps with keeping the draft resources a little stronger... and then maybe when they get the QB right, then the DE will make the leap forward.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Some dude in CA was sending nasty letters to Kemper Insurance about a claim or something.  I received a few of Kemper's responses to my house.  I saved one of them and took a pic below.  On the inside of the letter it had his name and his real location out in Fresno or something.  

 

You'd think that firms would be smarter than that.  Hung Dong is very obviously a prank name.  What next? Ivor Biggun?

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Understood and agreed.  I used that as an example of a real life trade that illustrated the concept.

 

Also understood, but trading with a team that knows what they are doing never works out as well as trading with a team that doesn't.  My trade offers roughly appropriate value on the chart.   #24 is ~740 points, #34 is ~ 560... and the 2024 1st would count as 2 rounds later...so middle of 3rd round is ~180.   That's 740 points each way, but the Eagles get to play the compound interest game by taking the pick in 2024.  Something tells me the Jags, Lions and Jets would still be top 5, at worst top 10 picks in 2024, no matter who they draft with this pick.