29 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I said it at the end of the regular season and I’ll say it again…

The Hurts humpers are mostly harmless, irrational Eagles fans who just want him to do well.  The national media has some sort of agenda with Hurts and doesn’t give 2 craps if the Eagles win.  So I don’t really care that those groups call Hurts special and deserving of patience.  
 

But it’s very concerning that the Eagles brass actually bought into this.  The damn Giants coach called our offense a gimmick and every DC just makes their entire game plan to dare us to let our QB throw the football.  Imagine that.  And Eagles brass actually gave this guy a full season and a half as the starter.  Forget 2022…I think it’s a massive indictment of their judgement that he has already started for this long.  
 

What confidence does that give you when they select the next qb?

Blind squirrel, broken clock level of confidence.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Watkins got better for sure. That’s the point for Moorehead. I can’t say he had much impact on Smith. He was pretty polished coming in. 

To me, the biggest issue is that we didn’t look particularly well coached at the position.

* Reagor makes the same mistakes over and over. He’s gotten worse. Maybe he isn’t salvageable, but he clearly isn’t reaching him.

* Watkins and Reagor both give up on too many routes. 

* How many times did our WRs screw up pick plays or get called for OPI on WR screens? That goes for Watkins, JJAW and Smith. 

Combine all of that with WR being Sirianni’s baby and the fact that Moorehead’s retention came down to not being able to secure a better option … I think he’s on the hot seat. 

I am OK moving on from Moorehead, but the issues that Jalen Reagor has are the same issues he had at TCU. These were things that were talked about combine and pre-draft and then draft night. How many people on draft night made excuses that well the TCU freshman quarterback wasn’t that good so we can understand why he was frustrated at times and played the way he did. There was a lot of that. So it might not necessarily just be moorehead that can’t reach him. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah, anyone talking about him as a stopgap aren’t realizing how much he’d actually cost to acquire. 

He’s not a stop gap. He’d be here to be the guy for the next 4-5 years. 

I really can't see any scenario where the Raiders would want to trade him but you're right that they could only do it if there was some significant return.  He's just not worth it.  

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Of course he walks away like the mentally fragile ice cream topping that he is.

Devonta has that fire. A lot of our other young guys dont have it, its championship mentality. Yesterday 2 players infuriated me more than any other, Reagor and Barnett. The complacency they show about mistakes is astounding. Mistakes are going to happen. But you need to treat them as learning experiences, fuel for the fire, a concept which doesn seem to register with these two. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah, anyone talking about him as a stopgap aren’t realizing how much he’d actually cost to acquire. 

He’s not a stop gap. He’d be here to be the guy for the next 4-5 years. 

Carr will not bring 2 - 1st rd picks.  

Hurts sucks and I do not think in one off season he is going to learn how to read a defense, stay in the pocket under pressure, and throw with anticipation. This team as whole is not ready to contend for a Super Bowl so trading for a QB is foolish. Let Minshew and Hurts battle next camp unless we can find a better FA. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

I agree. It's why I want to trade 2022 1sts for 2023 1sts and see what Hurts does in 2022. If we're average or below, we trade up for a young QB.

Right now there are no QBs in the 2023 that fit the NFL mold. Your getting more of the Hurts mold one read QB. We need a pocket/progression read QB that can be mobile only if needed. Like a Burrow, Herbert, Jones. Right now there are none worth a dam projected in the 2023 draft. Now that can change of course but its a risk.

You cant determine anything till draft day since boards and draft value changes so much over the course of the process. Does a QB like Pickett fall within range to grab him(Howie we know loves him). Does Strong fall to the 3rd round where the risk would be worth it to draft him? Is there even a team willing to trade a 2023 first round for a 2022 first? (takes 2 to tango). Way too many questions marks at this time. 

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

I agree. It's why I want to trade 2022 1sts for 2023 1sts and see what Hurts does in 2022. If we're average or below, we trade up for a young QB.

I just threw up in my mouth. You cannot do that to the team and speciffically to Smith and Watkins. 

 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Watkins got better for sure. That’s the point for Moorehead. I can’t say he had much impact on Smith. He was pretty polished coming in. 

To me, the biggest issue is that we didn’t look particularly well coached at the position.

* Reagor makes the same mistakes over and over. He’s gotten worse. Maybe he isn’t salvageable, but he clearly isn’t reaching him.

* Watkins and Reagor both give up on too many routes. 

* How many times did our WRs screw up pick plays or get called for OPI on WR screens? That goes for Watkins, JJAW and Smith. 

Combine all of that with WR being Sirianni’s baby and the fact that Moorehead’s retention came down to not being able to secure a better option … I think he’s on the hot seat. 

Fair points on Reagor.   It's not an excuse, but running certain routes for Hurts isn't an inspiring task.

I'd also say the OPI penalty rate improved from the beginning of the season to around what was happening around the league.  It was being called everywhere.

Draft Pickett and take a shot

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Who the hell carries a pistol in their pocket while watching  a football game at their house? Oh a Cowboys fan that's right. 

He's dreaming of being Billy Cole in the Last Boy Scout

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah, anyone talking about him as a stopgap aren’t realizing how much he’d actually cost to acquire. 

He’s not a stop gap. He’d be here to be the guy for the next 4-5 years. 

I think the cost to get him makes him have to be your guy for the next 4 to 5 years. I think the market is going to be about four or five teams that believe he can be a long-term starter. And this is all contingent that the Raiders dont think he’s a long-term starter for them which based of some raiders beat reporters on Sirius after the game Saturday night believed he’d be back in 2022 unless they somehow acquired Wilson or rodgers which they thought was highly unlikely 

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

 

Not great all around

Ben Solak from The Ringer pretty reasonable article about Hurts today. Not sure if posted and I’m to lazy too.

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Right now there are no QBs in the 2023 that fit the NFL mold.

This is false. Ex: Bryce Young clearly wins in the pocket. Jurkovec is the prototype athletic passer, etc.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is false. Ex: Bryce Young clearly wins in the pocket. Jurkovec is the prototype athletic passer, etc.

Color me intrigued - I'm going to watch more of Jurkovec next year. 

30 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 

Great body language from Reagor

 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is false. Ex: Bryce Young clearly wins in the pocket. Jurkovec is the prototype athletic passer, etc.

Agree, but would also say it is just too early to really judge the 2023 QB options in the draft.  Burrow is a great case in point.  One or more of these guys could emerge next year.  Safe to say that right now, there is no Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence type prospect.... or even a level below that.

It's clear now for anyone that was still deluding themselves that Hurts is in fact what he has always been.  Maintaining him at QB would be the ultimate "low ceiling" approach.

If they find THE guy, like if they think the Pickett is the guy, I don't care what they trade to get him.  If that guy isn't there, then they have to hedge and keep looking.  It's a **** spot but it is where they are.

It's hard to see how they can and would end up with one of the big name veterans that could be available.  Perhaps the situation changes in Houston and maybe they end up getting back in on Watson.  I can't see Rodgers or Wilson (already stated where he would go) coming here.  Carr would not be a worthwhile investment.

If they don't have a viable way to get the guy they need.... then they should focus on finding difference makers at any position, with emphasis on the lines.  The biggest issue we have remains the owner/GM and lackey with their bottom of the league record in drafting still making the selections.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

 

I remember being infuriated watching this play live, even without a view of Watkins.  This was one of his first throws of the day and I remember thinking "where's he going?? The pocket is fine!"  Then he makes a terrible off-platform throw across his body rolling left that gets batted by the defense.

It was pretty apparent from that moment it was going to be a long day.

16 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Fair points on Reagor.   It's not an excuse, but running certain routes for Hurts isn't an inspiring task.

I'd also say the OPI penalty rate improved from the beginning of the season to around what was happening around the league.  It was being called everywhere.

I don’t really agree. I think you’re letting Moorehead off the hook. We were terrible at it, and that’s not because a higher emphasis was placed on calling it. 

1 minute ago, John_C said:

Agree, but would also say it is just too early to really judge the 2023 QB options in the draft.  Burrow is a great case in point.  One or more of these guys could emerge next year.  Safe to say that right now, there is no Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence type prospect.... or even a level below that.

It's clear now for anyone that was still deluding themselves that Hurts is in fact what he has always been.  Maintaining him at QB would be the ultimate "low ceiling" approach.

If they find THE guy, like if they think the Pickett is the guy, I don't care what they trade to get him.  If that guy isn't there, then they have to hedge and keep looking.  It's a **** spot but it is where they are.

It's hard to see how they can and would end up with one of the big name veterans that could be available.  Perhaps the situation changes in Houston and maybe they end up getting back in on Watson.  I can't see Rodgers or Wilson (already stated where he would go) coming here.  Carr would not be a worthwhile investment.

If they don't have a viable way to get the guy they need.... then they should focus on finding difference makers at any position, with emphasis on the lines.  The biggest issue we have remains the owner/GM and lackey with their bottom of the league record in drafting still making the selections.

TFWIW But Charles robinson was asked about Watson’s ntc and wouldn’t waive it for the eagles. His response was the landscape has changed (since then)

19 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Carr will not bring 2 - 1st rd picks.  

What do you think he’d cost, and is that worth it for a stopgap?