6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I mean, we had people accused of being racist for saying he had a bad game, so...

Who accused someone of being racist?

We had people saying Hurts can’t throw a deep ball after completing two Sunday. Then it was, well what about the misses? Yeah, he was too late on one throw, missed badly on one and then wasn’t able to step into another, leaving it short.

And then we had you nitpicking a 91-yard pass because Watkins slowed up for a quarter of a step on a throw 45 yards downfield. You then bizarrely went on about how you can throw the football 45 yards so it’s no big deal. It’s preposterous. 

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Actually my bad, I got that wrong.

They were called racist for saying there's a difference between a QB that can run and a running QB in the Hurts thread.

Oh, so in a different thread that almost no one in here as read in all likelihood? Ok. 

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

It's not, but evidently it is for you. 

If you need to include his running so that the only way he seems better than a third stringer, it doesn't really say much about Hurts.

So in Lamar Jackson's MVP year, his stats:

265/401, 3127 yards, 36 TDs, 6 INTs.

Do you think they gave him the MVP award based on just those numbers? 

3 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

We lose to Dallas and there is a good chance we go 1-5. Imagine this place if that happens. 

Anyone who came into this season with the expectation of a good record was kidding themselves in my view. If we come out of that period with greater clarity on we do and don’t have to load in the draft- that’s the win. 

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I've noticed they do tend to get emotional and defensive if you say anything that's not praising Hurts

Works both ways it seems. 

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think he's progressed a huge extent, to his credit.  The freshman starter at Alabama was incapable of throwing the football and wouldn't have been graded as a drafted prospect.  When he came in for Tua at Alabama in the CFP he looked far, far better as a passer.  At Oklahoma, Lincoln Riley helped him hone his skills and further develop as a passer -- but he still counted on his running too heavily IMO, something to the order of 1,300 yards rushing and 20 rushing TDs.

Rushing play percentage by year in college.

Freshman 33%

Sophmore 37%

Junior 33%

Senior 40%

He is and will always be a runner playing QB.

5 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

We lose to Dallas and there is a good chance we go 1-5. Imagine this place if that happens. 

I picked us to be 2-7 after the first nine games.  I've been quite happy with what I've seen overall so far.  Crushed a bad team on the road, then hung in there with a really good team at home.  I'm encouraged.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Basically what the hurts debates are going to be like all season 

So is the guy in the parka the "mobile" QB is this paradigm? 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Works both ways it seems. 

How?

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

36 TDs, 6 INTs.

Do you think Jalen Hurts is capable of doing this ??  What about 31 TD's vs 7 int's ??  Are these attainable numbers for Hurts as a passer ??

2 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Anyone who came into this season with the expectation of a good record was kidding themselves in my view. If we come out of that period with greater clarity on we do and don’t have to load in the draft- that’s the win. 

I was talking about the Hurts debate. I don’t think any one had any expectations this season. I had the Eagles going 5-12. 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Do you think Jalen Hurts is capable of doing this ??  What about 31 TD's vs 7 int's ??  Are these attainable numbers for Hurts as a passer ??

Yes, why wouldn't they be? They're not some unattainable number...

That being said, he's got a long way to go to be consistent enough to hit those numbers. But are they attainable? Of course. 

7 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

I had to listen to like 10 games in a row of Wentzcuses last year on a fing 4 year vet "ALMOST mvp”. These Wentzcuses came from the same people now bashing Hurts. Can we get a week? I mean Wentz got 10 year 4?

Yeah, I think that's what I find most frustrating about the debate. The folks who were on here every day doing mental gymnastics to defend even the most egregious Wentz mistakes are now looking for any excuse to rip Hurts.

Not talking about the folks that defended both or ripped both. I can see some consistency there. But some are really transparent with their agendas.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Do you think Jalen Hurts is capable of doing this ??  What about 31 TD's vs 7 int's ??  Are these attainable numbers for Hurts as a passer ??

Pretty lofty.  But Hurts was a 4:1 TD/INT ratio QB in college, and he hasn't thrown to the other team (yet) this season.  If he can fix the fumbling that would be a good step.  

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

It's really the case of Reagor not running the route correctly.  He had a clean release, fought through some contact and made the catch but just did not leave himself space.  

Yes, exactly.

17 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think he's progressed a huge extent, to his credit.  The freshman starter at Alabama was incapable of throwing the football and wouldn't have been graded as a drafted prospect.  When he came in for Tua at Alabama in the CFP he looked far, far better as a passer.  At Oklahoma, Lincoln Riley helped him hone his skills and further develop as a passer -- but he still counted on his running too heavily IMO, something to the order of 1,300 yards rushing and 20 rushing TDs.

 

Can’t deny his athletic ability. He can run and make plays for sure. I don’t see a better passer though. He’s still short on deep throws and misses easy passes as well. The throw to Ertz in the Atlanta game for an example should have been a TD but Hurts under threw it. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Pretty lofty.  But Hurts was a 4:1 TD/INT ratio QB in college, and he hasn't thrown to the other team (yet) this season.  If he can fix the fumbling that would be a good step.  

I think fumbling will likely always be an issue, just because he holds the ball longer trying to make plays, and just the nature of being a running/scrambling QB. He'll definitely have to limit the fumbles, but I think it will always be an issue for him. 

Just now, Saltpeter said:

Yeah, I think that's what I find most frustrating about the debate. The folks who were on here every day doing mental gymnastics to defend even the most egregious Wentz mistakes are now looking for any excuse to rip Hurts.

Not talking about the folks that defended both or ripped both. I can see some consistency there. But some are really transparent with their agendas.

Apples and oranges.

Wentz had already demonstrated success as a pocket passer.  He had made all the throws.  His issues were above the shoulders.  Hero ball, ball security, accountability, etc.

Hurts is almost the exact opposite.  Seems to have the intangibles.  But hasn't yet demonstrated the ability to play QB in the pocket. 

Until he hits a few seam routes, it's fair to doubt his ability to do so.

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yes, why wouldn't they be? They're not some unattainable number...

That being said, he's got a long way to go to be consistent enough to hit those numbers. But are they attainable? Of course. 

Lamar Jackson did that in his second year, while also setting the QB single season rushing record.  

The second TD;INT numbers are what he would have to do to match Gardner Minshew's stats after 20 starts.

Dolphins 1st round pick watch

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Apples and oranges.

Wentz had already demonstrated success as a pocket passer.  He had made all the throws.  His issues were above the shoulders.  Hero ball, ball security, accountability, etc.

Hurts is almost the exact opposite.  Seems to have the intangibles.  But hasn't yet demonstrated the ability to play QB in the pocket. 

Until he hits a few seam routes, it's fair to doubt his ability to do so.

Y'know I wonder if Sirianni will try and force the issue this week. If you're Dallas, I'd think you want to take away the outside and force us to make plays between the hashes, especially with their LB corps. I'm really intrigued by this game, and truthfully have no idea which way it will go, as both teams are complete wild cards from week to week. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I’m choosing violence again. 

No one has said he can't throw a deep ball.  That's a straw man that keeps getting tossed out.   What he hasn't done is throw deep over the middle... or even intermediate over the middle.  That's where windows generally close faster than the outside where you can throw an arced ball.  

So, the question is why hasn't he thrown the ball over the middle, and that's where the conjecture comes in.  It's those over the middle throws that require more arm strength, because of the small windows and how fast they close.  Throwing a rainbow in there gets a receiver killed, the pass picked off, or leads to a lot of break ups.    I guess the question is: Why hasn't he thrown there?  

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

Until he hits a few seam routes, it's fair to doubt his ability to do so.

I’ll settle for one throw over the middle. Look at his passing chart. He hasnt thrown over the middle yet. Everything is 15 yards and under and to the outside with a few bubble screens. 
 

 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I have watched that play a bunch, if Reagor had have been more assertive getting to the ball and making the contact look worse, it would have been called.  He almost willingly went out of bounds, took the lazy route.

Path of least resistance.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Lamar Jackson did that in his second year, while also setting the QB single season rushing record.  

The second TD;INT numbers are what he would have to do to match Gardner Minshew's stats after 20 starts.

You and Swoop were arguing with Manu that we shouldn't consider running numbers for a QB. So if that's your argument, then Lamar is very pedestrian, with a good TD/INT ratio. Because so far this year (Hurts 2nd also), Hurts has a better pass completion percentage, yards per game, and TD/INT ratio. 

Except Lamar's running made him MVP level. In no way am I saying Hurts will do the same. But you are cherry picking to fit your agenda, and as I said at the start, it's insufferable. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Y'know I wonder if Sirianni will try and force the issue this week. If you're Dallas, I'd think you want to take away the outside and force us to make plays between the hashes, especially with their LB corps. I'm really intrigued by this game, and truthfully have no idea which way it will go, as both teams are complete wild cards from week to week. 

I think their LB's are better than their CB's.  I worry about tipped balls trying to force things over the middle.