7 minutes ago, dukebowden said:

If Siriani's offense doesn't incorporate pre-snap motion that will be a bad harbinger of things to come. Doug's refusal to do this was maddening watching other successful offenses around the league. What's the downside? Motion gives the quarterback more pre-play info and can help dress up staple plays so the defense can't key on them as quickly. Like using tempo (as a tactic not an entire offensive philosophy -- cough Chip Kelly 🙃 cough), why wouldn't this be a part of every team's approach to offense? Good offenses are QB-friendly ones.

They used it a great deal in Indy.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Jalen Hurts has a good OL, good RBs, an offensive coach for a HC, and young fast WRs. We'll find out if he's good.

Yep, and he has established rapport with all 3 young WRs, who are being coached up by an offensive staff that knows how to coach up WRs. With even league average injury luck, there should be no excuses either way when evaluating Hurts at the end of the season.

23 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Fair enough. As it's been shown time and time again, when the playoffs come around, he plays like garbage.

What about Baker and Tannehill, then?

Of course the run game helps those two. They are not the reason the run game is unlocked. Lamar is the key to the run game. 

@LeanMeanGM Hot Take 

Defense has 3 interceptions.

EDIT: Eagles defense

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I am a huge fan of this.  Not only does it sometimes help reveal if a defense is in man or zone, it can cause confusion for the defense (like you said) but you can run plays off or behind it.  

And for receivers like Reagor who are technically raw, it can help create easier releases. Motion, RPOs, etc. -- deception is required to succeed against the elite athletes and coaching that constitute NFL defenses. And it all plays into Hurts' skillset. Most of the good college offenses were the first to embrace all this stuff.  

16 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Yep, and he has established rapport with all 3 young WRs, who are being coached up by an offensive staff that knows how to coach up WRs. With even league average injury luck, there should be no excuses either way when evaluating Hurts at the end of the season.

Agreed. Unless the offense just gets ravaged by injuries again, they are no excuses.

I don't need to see Patrick Mahomes, but I should be able to see a Kirk Cousins level floor in year 2 to feel good keeping him in year 3. I know Cousins isn't great, but getting Cousins level production on a rookie deal is actually quite good.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It could really help the running game.  If we design runs off of motion and different kinds of motion.  RB motioning in or out of the backfield.  Receiver's motioning in front or behind of the QB, it can create a lot of confusion.  We will need to do that, since our passing game will be limited.  I just hope Lurie allows NS to do that.  San Fran did well with that kind of offense a few years ago.  

Yes sir.  Number one problem with the Doug offense the last two years, it was entirely to predictable.  The least innovative offense in the NFL.

2 hours ago, mr_irie1 said:

Not Eagles related but everything gets talked about in here... Penalty is up to 10yrs in prison.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32166732/clinton-portis-one-three-ex-nfl-players-plead-guilty-healthcare-fraud-scheme

 

 

For some reason stealing from insurance through fraud is not viewed enough as a crime.  It is a yearly multi billion issue for Medicare.  Did anyone see the idiot that threw himself to the ground in NJ the other day claiming a Tesla hit him?  No clue as to how many cameras there are on a Tesla.  Well, yep, the Tesla recorded it.  

What’s a further shame is I believe the Gene Upshaw fund is self funded by the NFL.  In other words, it is not funded by insurance premiums but comes straight from the pocket to help former players with medical expenses.  So in essence they stole from other former players that might have actual real medical expenses and we know most lower level players aren’t very good at putting away money for later.

Insurance goes back to Ben Franklin’s time and before with Lloyd’s syndicates underwriting cargos.  There were rules about flotsam and jetsam so that if someone else’s cargo was lost or jettisoned, all owners or underwriters of cargo shared the risk.  Back in Franklin’s day the fire insurance funded a fire brigade.  Show up at a fire and the house didn’t sport the door emblem for the right fire group, they didn’t try to fight the fire.  It also funded damage.  If 100 owners insured their properties and one had a fire, the loss is spread amongst 100 owners.  

There is risk assessment built into underwriting so the riskier the risk, the higher the rate.  I am across the street from a hydrant, a quarter of a mile from the fire house and brick and aluminum clad.  That gives me a pretty good fire rating.  

Heck, the biggest insurer of autos is a mutual insurance company, State Farm.  They aren’t driven to profits and paying dividends to the company owners.  There are no "owners”, per se.  If they charge more in premium than actually needed, they pay dividends back to the policyholders (customer isn’t quite the right word). Basically the policyholders are insuring each other. So sort of like the Upshaw fund, the money is shared on a loss basis.  My own insurance is with a mutual.  Cheat a mutual and you are cheating other people within the mutual just like these players cheated other former players.  If someone broke into your house and stole $100,000 worth of your stuff or reached into your 401k, what would you think would be the right punishment?  This isn’t a victimless crime.  The shame isn’t that they were caught like so many fraudsters and embezzlers think, it is in what they took from others.  Jail time is warranted. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It could really help the running game.  If we design runs off of motion and different kinds of motion.  RB motioning in or out of the backfield.  Receiver's motioning in front or behind of the QB, it can create a lot of confusion.  We will need to do that, since our passing game will be limited.  I just hope Lurie allows NS to do that.  San Fran did well with that kind of offense a few years ago.  

Andy Reid does a lot of it in KC too. And we know Lurie pays attention to that. That's what separates a Reid from a Reid-knockoff like Doug. Doug is still running the Reid offense from 5 years ago while Reid has moved on. Even the RPO game that we rode to the Super Bowl with Foles is credited to Reich. Hoping NS is more of a Reich than just a Reich knockoff...

2 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I'm sticking with WFT over any of those XFL choices.  

There is a beauty in a name that can be cited as WTF.  

47 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I count six, not four.

Are you saying the accountant can’t count?

55 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Good old Howie

44 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think there's still an open question as to how much the problem was with Doug vs. Wentz on the lack of innovation.  I think fundamentally the problem was that Doug probably did not trust the people he didn't bring in to the building.  

I think the playcalling of Doug to Press to any of the QBs was to slow to allow for the effective use of motion.

23 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

@LeanMeanGM Hot Take 

Defense has 3 interceptions.

You didn't say which defense

7 minutes ago, greend said:

You didn't say which defense

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I think the playcalling of Doug to Press to any of the QBs was to slow to allow for the effective use of motion.

They definitely did not utilize motion effectively and the offense was a train wreck.  Their failure to utilize motion also sits at odds with Doug's apparent enthusiasm for analytics in playcalling and game decisions.  I wonder how much of the blame goes on Doug.  The lack of motion suggests that motion plays just were not considered in terms of practice during the week and game planning.  That may be Doug favoring Press Taylor and Wentz over the other coaches.  It might be Doug's choice. It could be that Wentz didn't like those plays.  

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

No team wins with a Throwing RB, but Lamar is as close as it gets to winning with that type of play.

The few games I've seen of him defenses seem to not want to hit him when he's running. Don't remember which it was but I remember seeing one just letting him run out of bounds when he could have stopped him. It was like he was scared to hit him

@LeanMeanGM you have my score already, prediction, Zach Ertz leads the team in targets, catches and yards.  We are left wondering, what happened to this dynamic offense we were promised.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

@LeanMeanGM you have my score already, prediction, Zach Ertz leads the team in targets, catches and yards.  We are left wondering, what happened to this dynamic offense we were promised.

Time is a flat circle. 

Side note prediction, @4for4EaglesNest starts pounding the table that we should have drafted his hero Kyle Pitts after he runs wild through our secondary.

I'd be fine if we saw a dynamic running game that utilized WRs and Hurts effectively.  It seems like this team should look to mimic SF's offense given Hurts and the receivers.  

25 minutes ago, RLC said:

Agreed. Unless the offense just gets ravaged by injuries again, they are no excuses.

I don't need to see Patrick Mahomes, but I should be able to see a Kirk Cousins level floor in year 2 to feel good keeping him in year 3. I know Cousins isn't great, but getting Cousins level production on a rookie deal is actually quite good.

I think Russell Wilson's year 2 stat line (except for more passing yards given the extra game) is my goal for Hurts. If I see that and he can come up big in big moments, then I'll be on-board for 2022. Ryan Tannehill year 2 (with more rushing yards) is more realistic and unfortunately the kind of inconclusive result we're hoping to avoid.

2 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

We going Eagles only on our hot takes/cold takes?

Eagles Wise - I dont think I have anything crazy. Gonna be a close game. Offense and Defense will look ok to good. In the 4th Quarter(late 3rd) we cant score, we end up getting beat by 5ish

NFL Wise- Hot Take. Brady has 3 turn overs. Buccs still win.  Cold Take - Rams look really....really GOOD. Random prediction. Broncos/Giants bring NFL back to 1960 and have a 13-9 game in a disgusting display of offense. 

Eagles only about the weekly game

@Bacarty2 I should have clarified, takes on the weekly opponent is also fair game.

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I think Russell Wilson's year 2 stat line (except for more passing yards given the extra game) is my goal for Hurts.

That would equate to 243.5 combined passing/rushing yards per game.  Not gonna get it done in the current NFL.

His two leading receivers did not break 1000 yards, and had 64 ( Golden Tate ) and 50 ( Doug Baldwin ) receptions.  Next two receivers, Marshawn Lynch had 36 catches and TE Zach Miller had 33 catches.

If our receiving stats ended like Seattle the year you referenced, people would be pissed and the team would not be good.

Devonta Smith - 64 catches for 898 yards and 5 TD's

Jalen Reagor - 50 catches for 778 yards and 5 TD's

Miles Sanders - 36 catches for 316 yards and 2 TD's

Zach Ertz - 33 catches for 387 yards and 5 TD's

Quez Watkins - 22 catches for 346 yards and 4 TD's

Dallas Goedert - 20 catches for 272 yards and 1 TD 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Of course the run game helps those two. They are not the reason the run game is unlocked. Lamar is the key to the run game. 

I know that, but you originally said that those projected Hurts numbers weren't that bad because they're comparable to those three. Given that two of the three have arguably the top 2 rushing attacks in football, do you still feel that way knowing Hurts won't?