April 24, 20251 yr 19 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:Three choices in my mindkeep the status quo and let it grindNATO goes directly into the conflict to defeat Russiacompromise with Putin getting some things he wants and Ukraine getting a full on military security agreement with US/NATO ; I don't believe this option is possible without Russia getting Crimea, part of the territory they now occupy, and the lifting of sanctions over timelineYeah, those seem like the only options.Option 1. - wouldn’t be great, but with enough military support, Russia could be inclined to come to the table with truly wanting peace, if their casualties stay enormously high.Option 2. - would be the worst case scenario! That would mean WWIII and we would be on the brink of total destruction, especially if you have crazy people pushing the nuke buttons. In a conventional war, we win hands down, but with possible nukes involved, we are all f_ked.Option 3. - a FAIR and somewhat even compromise would be the best option. Since Russia is the stronger party and has the upper hand, they could get a bit more out of the deal than Ukraine. But that can’t be outrageously generous. Putin has to pay a price for this as well and it has to sting.
April 24, 20251 yr On 4/18/2025 at 2:42 PM, we_gotta_believe said:Boots on the groooouuuuunnnnnddddd!I’m a few pages behind in this thread and as I was reading through I was going to post this same reply but decided to see if anyone else had first…
April 24, 20251 yr 37 minutes ago, Bill said:Unironically boots on the ground would be the quickest way to end this thing.Mr. Art of the Deal just said in the Oval Office that Russia has made a very big concession for peace… drumroll… they will not take complete Ukraine. So there it is. Ukraine loses everything like stated and Russia makes the concession of not taking in all.
April 24, 20251 yr 2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:what a weak leader.SAD.That’s quite the understatement mate.😅
April 24, 20251 yr the potus is getting a yellow shower and some here will try to spin it as a victory.
April 24, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:That’s quite the understatement mate.😅i was trying to put a positive twist on it.
April 24, 20251 yr 4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:Translation: Vladimir stop!!! You pawmised!!!! You are making me look bad!!!
April 24, 20251 yr 2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:the potus is getting a yellow shower and some here will try to gargle the spillover.FYP
April 24, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:i was trying to put a positive twist on it.Yeah, I wish we could somehow make this whole charade turn out positive.✌️
April 24, 20251 yr 10 minutes ago, barho said:And that’s the problem if you look down the road. I actually believe Trump that he wants to stop the killing and end the war. It’s really one of the only things he doesn’t lie about, BUT he is incapable of seeing the whole picture and the ramifications this will have globally… starting with Europe and ending with Asia.
April 25, 20251 yr Author Putin Allies Can’t Believe How Much Trump Is Groveling to ThemWhile Donald Trump is bragging about the Ukraine peace deal, Vladimir Putin’s allies are laughing at him.Russian propagandists were practically giddy as they celebrated top U.S. officials—including Donald Trump—bending to the Kremlin’s demands."No one could have imagined we would live to see the day where the correct answer about to whom Crimea belongs would come from the president of the United States, and he will not only give it but will also teach the president of Ukraine what this correct answer is,” said business daily Kommersant writer Sergey Strokan on the Russian broadcast program 60 Minutes Wednesday night.https://newrepublic.com/post/194383/donald-trump-ukraine-deal-vladimir-putin-allies-laugh
April 26, 20251 yr 16 hours ago, Mike31mt said:What did Biden do to get Crimea back???Well Sling Blade, you incessantly pinched your weiner over the thought of boots on the ground, so putting US soldiers in harm's way shouldn't have been on the table according to you. But you also famously claimed we sent Ukraine "trillions" of dollars of aid so apparently that was wrong too. But regardless of how much we actively tried to assist Ukraine, you know what Biden didn't do? This....US joins Russia, North Korea and Belarus to vote against UN resolution on Ukraine warSky NewsUS joins Russia, North Korea and Belarus to vote against...Two motions were passed by the UN today as the world marks the third anniversary of Russia's invasion - with the US voting against one and abstaining on another.
April 26, 20251 yr 13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:Well Sling Blade, you incessantly pinched your weiner over the thought of boots on the ground, so putting US soldiers in harm's way shouldn't have been on the table according to you. But you also famously claimed we sent Ukraine "trillions" of dollars of aid so apparently that was wrong too. But regardless of how much we actively tried to assist Ukraine, you know what Biden didn't do?This....US joins Russia, North Korea and Belarus to vote against UN resolution on Ukraine warSky NewsUS joins Russia, North Korea and Belarus to vote against...Two motions were passed by the UN today as the world marks the third anniversary of Russia's invasion - with the US voting against one and abstaining on another."Waahh why didn't Trump fix both Obama and Bidens F Ups in 4 months?!?! Capitulation! Weak!"TDS absolutely ravages the human brain and removes all critical thinking.Russia has owned Crimea since 2014 when Obama first actually capitulated.They kept it entirely unchallenged all throughout Bidens term. Then they gained even more territory when Biden and the DNC somehow couldnt read Putin telegraphing their invasion. And Biden utterly failed to do anything about it except sacrifice Ukrainian lives.Again, sit down and be quiet, Kamala voter. You have absolutely no room to speak on basically anything related to foreign policy
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