9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Feeley gets way too much praise for his W/L record as a backup. He was not really that great a QB in the NFL. Minshew had accomplished more than him as a starter before we even traded for him. 

Reid adjusted his offense and game plan for Feeley, and it worked to a T.  I still remember hearing Reid saying that Feeley needed to "play within himself" and that a punt was not a bad outcome.  Good concepts for Siri to keep in mind for Hurts.

6 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Difference is the under thrown balls were thrown earlier enough it didn’t matter. Every under thrown ball Hurts throws ends up in a pbu or int. 

Now every pass that isn't 100% perfect people will say see he sucks too. Naw man, we realize not every pass is going to be perfect but, was it good enough for the receiver to make a play? So far the answer to Minshews throws are yes, almost all of them were good enough for the receiver to have a shot at making the play. 

9 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Now every pass that isn't 100% perfect people will say see he sucks too. Naw man, we realize not every pass is going to be perfect but, was it good enough for the receiver to make a play? So far the answer to Minshews throws are yes, almost all of them were good enough for the receiver to have a shot at making the play. 

As were almost all passes of Hurts.

5 hours ago, ilikepargo said:

It was the Jets.

Last week we lost to the Giants

13 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Certainly understanding that well this was the Jets and there were a lot of check down throws and screens, Minshew did his thing today. He also made plays by moving in the pocket and extending drives and allowing his receivers to get open. Also limiting the amount of throws to Reagor is always a plus. Despite all the good throws Minshew made today what impressed me most actually was his willingness to give up on a bad screen to play another down. No hero ball trying to make something out of nothing, just throw the darn ball at the feet of the back or Reagor and play another down. It was smart and efficient football from the quarterback today. 

Yep - clearly the Jets are poor and not prepared for him and he had some under thrown mid range to deep passes.

But he balled out - can’t ask for much more. Happy to have him. 
 

Back to Hurts after the bye. I expect them both to be here next year.

7 minutes ago, Infam said:

As were almost all passes of Hurts.

 

Why do so many people think that you have to have a cannon to be an NFL QB?  There are loads of guys who can throw a ball thru a wall, but couldn't hit an open receiver.  Al this talk about his "arm strength" is all horsesh--.

Minshew has proven he can not only play in the NFL, but he can be a very effective QB and leader.  His record with the Jags is a poor argument for his ability and leadership.....that team was terrible with a poor stable of offensive weapons.  Minshew was a 6th rounder, which almost never results in a QB getting a legitimate shot to start.  

The Jags didn't have a QB problem....but it's understandable that when you get a chance at a kid like Lawrence, you have to take it.  But Minshew is fully capable of being a very good NFL QB, capable of leading a team to the playoffs and further.  The guy inspires other players, which is a rare quality......he's smart and he's very effective.  Minshew never had the group of skill players in jacksonville that he has here....a very good offensive line, a very good stable of RBs and some good young WRs.  

Now when you take the eagles into consideration, they should have never started Hurts in the first place.  He wasn't ready and they're living his learning curve.....his passing simply is not at the level it needs to be so he runs a lot......which never leads to consistency in winning or going deep into the playoffs.  

But he's also not going to get the time he needs to develop.....Howie doesn't have a QB problem either, but he thinks he does......and he'll piss away those high picks on another project.

But benching Hurts right now would be the end of his time in philly.  And he was only getting one year anyway to prove himself. It goes to show how bad the eagles decision making is right now.......draft a QB in the 2nd round......he's not ready to start but they give him the starting job anyway......and then they give him one year to prove himself. 

Minshew would be really good for this team.......Hurts COULD develop into a very good QB given the time.  But the eagles create their own problems with their "philosophy" and will continue to hover near mediocrity because they have bought into what bad teams and organizations think is a path to winning.

What should the eagles do now?  If they truly have made up their minds that Hurts is not the guy and they're going to spend all that valuable draft capital on yet another QB,  they should start Minshew, considering that the only chance of doing anything in the playoffs hinges on a good passer.  If they want to give Hurts another year, then he needs to play out the rest of the year......and NOT draft or trade for another QB.

The eagles have a unique opportunity to really improve the team with these picks....in areas of drastic need.  But they also could really f---- this up.....

 

I will say about yesterday versus most of the season...the offense looked easy and controlled. It looked in rhythm and the players were all engaged.  It looked consistent and repeatable. Say what you want about the Minshew, but when that position plays the game in a more relaxed and intelligent way, things go better.  Yesterday, that offense looked sustainable.

And, if you are willing to say "it will take Hurts awhile to get into his groove with a new offense", you have to be willing to admit the same thing about GM.

3 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I will say about yesterday versus most of the season...the offense looked easy and controlled. It looked in rhythm and the players were all engaged.  It looked consistent and repeatable. Say what you want about the Minshew, but when that position plays the game in a more relaxed and intelligent way, things go better.  Yesterday, that offense looked sustainable.

And, if you are willing to say "it will take Hurts awhile to get into his groove with a new offense", you have to be willing to admit the same thing about GM.

All we saw yesterday is what happens when we have zero drops all game versus an unprepared opponent that is really bad. Hardly ‚sustainable‘..

Maniaaaaaa!!!!

16 minutes ago, Infam said:

All we saw yesterday is what happens when we have zero drops all game versus an unprepared opponent that is really bad. Hardly ‚sustainable‘..

Is that all we saw?   I thought I saw a QB with more pocket presence and an awareness of where his outlet receivers were.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is that all we saw?   I thought I saw a QB with more pocket presence and an awareness of where his outlet receivers were.

Second half too? Because I think he came down to earth pretty quick. And that‘s against the Jets..

1 minute ago, Infam said:

Second half too? Because I think he came down to earth pretty quick. And that‘s against the Jets..

. Yes, second half too... that's called killing the clock.   Eagles ran the ball to end the game quickly and did a fine job of it.   And please don't use the opponent argument.  The Giants are about on par with the Jets and the Eagles managed to lose that one.  So, the opponent really isn't going to help the case.  Minshew did enough...  and he looked the part of a QB, not a runner.  But, no one is elevating him to starter status, just that of the two backup QBs on the team, he's the one that better enables the Eagles to run the offense Sirianni envisioned when he took the job. 

14 hours ago, Infam said:

He had a very solid game especially in the first half against a really bad team that was not prepared at all.

Very glad we have a good backup.

Yep. Now we just need to find a starter. 

50 minutes ago, Infam said:

All we saw yesterday is what happens when we have zero drops all game versus an unprepared opponent that is really bad. Hardly ‚sustainable‘..

When your QB delivers in rhythm and in space to open receivers, they catch the ball.  When your QB holds the ball, spins in circles under no pressure, drifts the edge, and delivers late, they don't.  Clear as day.

I'm still not a fan of Minshew ever being a starter here, but he's a good backup to Hurts, or whatever QB they decide to make the "future."   He had a solid game, and it's even more impressive due to the horrible game Hurts had prior, lol.  Thankfully the offense did its thing today, because the defense was atrocious.

5 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I'm still not a fan of Minshew ever being a starter here, but he's a good backup to Hurts, or whatever QB they decide to make the "future."   He had a solid game, and it's even more impressive due to the horrible game Hurts had prior, lol.  Thankfully the offense did its thing today, because the defense was atrocious.

For me it isn't about whether Minshew can the long term starter here. The likelihood is he isn't and neither is Hurts. What I want to see is the true Sirianni offense and I think there's a better chance of seeing that with Minshew. 

1. It's 1 game.

2. He was accurate, on time with the ball, used the whole field.

3. The Jets being so poor helped.

4. Running the ball helps the QB and prospects for win probability.

13 hours ago, SB52 said:

Minshew looked great in the first half, then showed some limitations in the second half.

You realize he hardly threw in the second half, right?

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

. Yes, second half too... that's called killing the clock.   Eagles ran the ball to end the game quickly and did a fine job of it.   And please don't use the opponent argument.  The Giants are about on par with the Jets and the Eagles managed to lose that one.  So, the opponent really isn't going to help the case.  Minshew did enough...  and he looked the part of a QB, not a runner.  But, no one is elevating him to starter status, just that of the two backup QBs on the team, he's the one that better enables the Eagles to run the offense Sirianni envisioned when he took the job. 

Exactly. If they are both being called back-up level qbs, and one is clearly a better passer than the other, why not just let the better player get the reps? 

21 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

For me it isn't about whether Minshew can the long term starter here. The likelihood is he isn't and neither is Hurts. What I want to see is the true Sirianni offense and I think there's a better chance of seeing that with Minshew. 

So the "true" Sirianni offense is just to dink and dunk the ball? I mean, we've seen that countless times in the NFL, and we've even seen Minshew run that offense in Jacksonville.   IF that's all his offense is, then sure, just let Minshew be the franchise. 

3 minutes ago, MF POON said:

So the "true" Sirianni offense is just to dink and dunk the ball? I mean, we've seen that countless times in the NFL, and we've even seen Minshew run that offense in Jacksonville.   IF that's all his offense is, then sure, just let Minshew be the franchise. 

Both Hurts and Minshew have identical career YPA, 7.0.

11 minutes ago, MF POON said:

So the "true" Sirianni offense is just to dink and dunk the ball? I mean, we've seen that countless times in the NFL, and we've even seen Minshew run that offense in Jacksonville.   IF that's all his offense is, then sure, just let Minshew be the franchise. 

We don't know what the Sirianni offense is... But I suspect it is closer to what we saw yesterday than it was during that run with Hurts. Again I did not say that Minshew was the franchise guy. 

14 hours ago, Boogyman said:

I agree. But to find that out he needs to start more than one game.

No argument here, but I doubt he gets the chance to do that ... at least at this time.  My point was, don't make too much out of a single performance.  Any QB would need to prove he can play at that level consistently over a stretch of many games.  

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

No argument here, but I doubt he gets the chance to do that ... at least at this time.  My point was, don't make too much out of a single performance.  Any QB would need to prove he can play at that level consistently over a stretch of many games.  

I'm not. My opinion is more about Hurts lack of progress and what I see as a very low ceiling than what Minshew did yesterday.