Star Wars ongoing thread: The Acolyte trailer, premieres June 4

[UK Eagle]

19 hours ago, NOTW said:

"General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars…”  - sounds like she never personally met him right?

Now after this series:

"Ben, remember that time I was kidnapped and we spent weeks together after you rescued me and we shared intimate stories about how you knew my mother, we helped the rebels together, etc?  Well, I need you again!"

Apparently, the producers are going to address it somehow in the finale.

https://tvline.com/2022/06/19/will-obi-wan-finale-erase-leia-memory-luke-brother/
 

It shows how broken their whole process is that they need to do some silly workaround to keep it all in a timeline. After all, they had no need to insert Leia into the series, so it's a mess of their own making...

[iladelphxx]

5 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

It shows how broken their whole process is that they need to do some silly workaround to keep it all in a timeline. After all, they had no need to insert Leia into the series, so it's a mess of their own making...

They had the same problem with the original prequels. 

Leia said she remembered her mother, etc 

[UK Eagle]

1 hour ago, iladelphxx said:

They had the same problem with the original prequels. 

Leia said she remembered her mother, etc 

You can shine that out a bit so it's not quite as bad, but gallivanting around some planets with Kenobi is a harder one to buff out.  It amazes me how sloppy some Franchises are

[Alpha_TATEr]

i enjoyed the series minus some of the leia stuff. IMO they are doing a slight reboot within the saga. they are expanding the canon storyline (stemming from the clone wars & rebels series), but to do that correctly it will mean the original trilogy will have to be rebooted eventually. it would make sense to do it while including series/movies of the characters and their stories that are left from those series which were purposely left open ended. 

i for one would love to see more asoka, ezra, gen thrawn etc 

 

[UK Eagle]

I guess they'll achieve it with bacta tanks, tracking devices and endlessly bad story writing and dialogue, right?

[Alpha_TATEr]

4 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

I guess they'll achieve it with bacta tanks, tracking devices and endlessly bad story writing and dialogue, right?

you seem really bothered by this. not that there is a problem with that. 

like i said earlier in the thread, i have become less annoyed by the campy at best story writing at times, but i know others haven't. 

[Weaponx01]

I mean, even within New Hope, Leia’s familiarity of Kenobi changes…

”general Kenobi you served my father…”

”Ben Kenobi is here?! Where is he!”

It could simply be the first one was an diplomat making an official request. The second she was a prisoner and the guy who saved her before was back. 

[NOTW]

1 hour ago, Weaponx01 said:

I mean, even within New Hope, Leia’s familiarity of Kenobi changes…

”general Kenobi you served my father…”

”Ben Kenobi is here?! Where is he!”

It could simply be the first one was an diplomat making an official request. The second she was a prisoner and the guy who saved her before was back. 

Most likely explanation. 

[UK Eagle]

5 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

you seem really bothered by this. not that there is a problem with that. 

like i said earlier in the thread, i have become less annoyed by the campy at best story writing at times, but i know others haven't. 

The thing is, if they just stopped with it in one series it would feel fresh for when they really need to do it. But it's the same thing, rinse and repeat in recent times. You have the Bacta tank moody flashback/epiphany, the tracker in an object to fill in plot holes, etc.  There has to be people out there who can develop plot lines and stories without going back to an old favourite all the time. It's not like Disney don't have the money to do it

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As for Kenobi.  More Kenobi and Vader in the future, lose the rest - it was good when they were on screen, the rest of it was largely pointless.  This as a movie, would have worked with a tighter plotline and shorter time span.  As a series, too much filler.

And I don't think they filled in any of the film timeline stuff either; lazy sods.

 

[Alpha_TATEr]

i dont know why they repeat their mistakes and its been with a multitude of different people in charge. i pointed out to my son earlier the enormous head scratcher that started with obi-won not finishing off anikan on genosis.  

why didnt he finish him ? its over if he does. cant leave him breathing. 

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and it happened again in this series, twice. vader didn't finish reva and obi-won once again, didn't finish anikan. 

 

my son said its simple, the saga would only be three movies, thats why. 

 

 

[NOTW]

1 minute ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i dont know why they repeat their mistakes and its been with a multitude of different people in charge. i pointed out to my son earlier the enormous head scratcher that started with obi-won not finishing off anikan on genosis.  

why didnt he finish him ? its over if he does. cant leave him breathing. 

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and it happened again in this series, twice. vader didn't finish reva and obi-won once again, didn't finish anikan. 

 

my son said its simple, the saga would only be three movies, thats why. 

 

 

That was on Mustafar.  Geonosis was in ep 2.  

 

[Alpha_TATEr]

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

That was on Mustafar.  Geonosis was in ep 2.  

 

beat me to the edit. 

[iladelphxx]

Obi Wan broke Daenerys Targaryen's speed record 

[NOTW]

3 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

beat me to the edit. 

 

[iladelphxx]

That was cringe. 

 

Why not have Qui Gon appear before the Vader fight? 

The whole Reva thing was pointless. 

I don't even feel like listing the rest of the BS that annoyed me..... 

This could have been epic but Disney gotta Disney 

 

[Gannan]

Watching the last episode of Obi-Wan like ...

Then...

[Gannan]

5 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

why didnt he finish him ? its over if he does. cant leave him breathing. 

[NOTW]

Meh.

[NOTW]

More awful writing and plot points in the finale, but McGregor did great in the role and there were a couple good moments.  But like the prequel and sequel movies, missed opportunities and disappointment overall.

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Vader's Star Destroyer chasing the rebels:

• takes FOREVER chasing the tiny ship and barely hitting it - yet in ANH they use a tractor beam and trap Leia's ship and board it fairly quickly
• doesn't have any X-wings or other ships to send out to attack it
• Or ships to split up and chase both Rebel ships...but then Vader takes a separate ship after Obi-Wan anyway. 

Reva's story was again stupid.  They could have simply had Vader kill her when she "turned good" to try and kill him after realizing it was dumb to hate Obi-Wan for what Anakin did...instead she then finds out about a boy on Tattooine, his Ctrl+Z on her character change of heart from the previous episode and decides to go hunt him down to kill him...which again makes zero sense if she's pissed that Anakin killed Younglings.  Anyway, then of course she just changes her mind anyway.  She murdered Jedi, innocent people...and Obi-Wan is giving her his blessing like you're good now, be at peace.  

Qui Gon:  ugh.  After everything is over, he appears and says he was waiting the whole time for Obi-Wan to be ready...that served no purpose to the story.  As illadelph said, that should have come at a low moment to inspire him.

Why in the hell do any of the characters from episode 3 not remember the plan was to hide out and bide their time until they could regroup to defeat the Empire?  Bail Organa told Obi-Wan earlier "one last fight" which was to rescue Leia, then in the finale says he hopes he doesn't need to ask for his help again.  What?  You're trying to build a rebellion against the Empire, of course you're going to want his help and this won't be "one last fight."  He talked to Leia about prepping her to lead and help change things...obviously the last remaining Jedi in Obi-Wan would be useful for that no?  Just stupid.  

The Inquisitors are still alive and so is Reva.  Wouldn't be surprised if they or at least Reva show up in Ashoka or another series.  They need to be killed off before the events of Rogue One though.

The Obi-Wan v Vader fight was pretty good.  It was weird that Obi-Wan went harder and used the force more than in any other fight in the prequels despite him being older and worn down.  I guess it's because it was personal.  However, it was incredibly dumb that a SECOND TIME he would defeat him and be able to just end it, and leave him alive.  Obviously, the characters survive but then don't write it that way again  Have the Inquisitors show up and shoot from a ship to separate them or something.  It was cool seeing Hayden get to show at least a portion of his face through the mask and there were some good moments between them.  But Obi-Wan stops, starts crying again like he did in ep 3, realizing - again - that Anakin is truly lost. Uh, dude you realized that back then, why do they need to rehash that same realization again?  That was dumb.  There's no good reason he wouldn't have just taken out his rage and ended Vader right there the way they put together that scene, so they needed a reason they would be separated and both live and this wasn't the way.

 

 

[NOTW]

On 6/4/2022 at 7:25 PM, iladelphxx said:

Spoiler alert: what his character does is a basic rebel.

He has not received any criticism or racism (as far as we know). 

[devpool]

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Spoiler alert: what his character does is a basic rebel.

He has not received any criticism or racism (as far as we know). 

His character is so insignificant no one is going to harass him. A generic side character.

It is concerning though that this fanbase has a particular habit of being racist towards cast members in recent years. Regardless of how bad a character sucks or an actor portrays them, no room for that

[Alpha_TATEr]

9 hours ago, NOTW said:

More awful writing and plot points in the finale, but McGregor did great in the role and there were a couple good moments.  But like the prequel and sequel movies, missed opportunities and disappointment overall.

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Vader's Star Destroyer chasing the rebels:

• takes FOREVER chasing the tiny ship and barely hitting it - yet in ANH they use a tractor beam and trap Leia's ship and board it fairly quickly
• doesn't have any X-wings or other ships to send out to attack it
• Or ships to split up and chase both Rebel ships...but then Vader takes a separate ship after Obi-Wan anyway. 

Reva's story was again stupid.  They could have simply had Vader kill her when she "turned good" to try and kill him after realizing it was dumb to hate Obi-Wan for what Anakin did...instead she then finds out about a boy on Tattooine, his Ctrl+Z on her character change of heart from the previous episode and decides to go hunt him down to kill him...which again makes zero sense if she's pissed that Anakin killed Younglings.  Anyway, then of course she just changes her mind anyway.  She murdered Jedi, innocent people...and Obi-Wan is giving her his blessing like you're good now, be at peace.  

Qui Gon:  ugh.  After everything is over, he appears and says he was waiting the whole time for Obi-Wan to be ready...that served no purpose to the story.  As illadelph said, that should have come at a low moment to inspire him.

Why in the hell do any of the characters from episode 3 not remember the plan was to hide out and bide their time until they could regroup to defeat the Empire?  Bail Organa told Obi-Wan earlier "one last fight" which was to rescue Leia, then in the finale says he hopes he doesn't need to ask for his help again.  What?  You're trying to build a rebellion against the Empire, of course you're going to want his help and this won't be "one last fight."  He talked to Leia about prepping her to lead and help change things...obviously the last remaining Jedi in Obi-Wan would be useful for that no?  Just stupid.  

The Inquisitors are still alive and so is Reva.  Wouldn't be surprised if they or at least Reva show up in Ashoka or another series.  They need to be killed off before the events of Rogue One though.

The Obi-Wan v Vader fight was pretty good.  It was weird that Obi-Wan went harder and used the force more than in any other fight in the prequels despite him being older and worn down.  I guess it's because it was personal.  However, it was incredibly dumb that a SECOND TIME he would defeat him and be able to just end it, and leave him alive.  Obviously, the characters survive but then don't write it that way again  Have the Inquisitors show up and shoot from a ship to separate them or something.  It was cool seeing Hayden get to show at least a portion of his face through the mask and there were some good moments between them.  But Obi-Wan stops, starts crying again like he did in ep 3, realizing - again - that Anakin is truly lost. Uh, dude you realized that back then, why do they need to rehash that same realization again?  That was dumb.  There's no good reason he wouldn't have just taken out his rage and ended Vader right there the way they put together that scene, so they needed a reason they would be separated and both live and this wasn't the way.

 

 

yeah that space scene was wet garbage. at worst, send tie fighters to take out both ships. 

 

10 hours ago, Gannan said:

vader isnt a jedi though. why did he leave reva alive ? he wasted innocent people in a village like it was nothing, but doesnt finish her for good ? plus didnt obi-won learn from the first time that he couldnt leave anikan alive ?  

its just what we see in this franchise over and over. inconsistencies. 

 

that said, i love this franchise and will continue to watch everything they put out and regardless of the weak writing and black hole sized plot holes, i'll probably still be entertained. 

[UK Eagle]

6 hours ago, devpool said:

His character is so insignificant no one is going to harass him. A generic side character.

It is concerning though that this fanbase has a particular habit of being racist towards cast members in recent years. Regardless of how bad a character sucks or an actor portrays them, no room for that

The reason I've largely avoided commenting about Reva are the people that think any criticism is racist.  Now the season is over, I still struggle to see the point of Reva's existence in the story and why they picked the actress they did (can't recall her full name - not an intentional shade at her)- she's ok but struggled to polish the dialogue 💩she was given. I do have sympathy for the actress as Disney didn't help her, but if you take the part, you know what you are getting into the modern Marvel/Disney world. Most new characters have no depth to them

Disney need to either write better stories or hire better actors to workaround their slop.

[NOTW]

7 hours ago, devpool said:

His character is so insignificant no one is going to harass him. A generic side character.

It is concerning though that this fanbase has a particular habit of being racist towards cast members in recent years. Regardless of how bad a character sucks or an actor portrays them, no room for that

Of course, but I just think it's funny his tweet didn't just say the racists will hate his character too because he's black.  He specifically noted what his character DOES.  So I kept thinking there was something that would trigger racists or something.  

Anyway, there are going to be some racists and some trolls that do it to get a rise out of people.  When a small number of comments happen, people magnify them and act like it's a large portion of the fanbase, and then it becomes a narrative.  As I said before, fans had no problem with Leia in the 70s and 80s being a strong female lead, being a feminist character who steps outside the princess cliche and grabs a blaster and talks tough to the guys and takes charge.  Fans like Lando, Mace, Poe, Ashoka, Mando, Jango/Boba Fett, Fennec, etc.  There is not some giant pushback against characters who aren't white males.  White male actors who weren't good were criticized too like Hayden as Anakin and the guy who played young Han Solo.  It's not a race or gender thing.  

There is often a preemptive claim of racism or sexism when fans simply don't like a character or show.  A few fans sent Moses Ingram racist dms and that's awful.  But that doesn't mean anyone who doesn't like Reva is racist.  

[NOTW]

9 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The reason I've largely avoided commenting about Reva are the people that think any criticism is racist.  Now the season is over, I still struggle to see the point of Reva's existence in the story and why they picked the actress they did (can't recall her full name - not an intentional shade at her)- she's ok but struggled to polish the dialogue 💩she was given. I do have sympathy for the actress as Disney didn't help her, but if you take the part, you know what you are getting into the modern Marvel/Disney world. Most new characters have no depth to them

Disney need to either write better stories or hire better actors to workaround their slop.

You know what would have been more interesting?  Doing an episode that focused more on order 66 at the Jedi Temple instead of that brief flashback.  Focus on a Jedi who tried to help Reva escape, navigating the stormtroopers and getting to safety.  But then the Jedi is killed and Reva is captured.  Then show glimpses of the Empire converting her and other former Jedi to the dark side as Inquisitors to set the stage.  Don't have Reva wanting to kill Obi-Wan which made no sense because he wasn't responsible at all. 

So Reva is sparring with the Grand Inquisitor, showing mercy to innocent civilians and children because she's not completely evil and that being a conflict for the Grand Inquisitor and Vader, that she's too weak showing mercy.  It didn't make sense that she is supposedly out for revenge for innocent people being killed and she...kills innocent people.  The previous episode where she helped rebels escape and Vader kills her would have been a good sendoff.  Having her in the finale was dumb.