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On 6/4/2022 at 7:25 PM, iladelphxx said:

 

Well

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He appeared in this episode.  I guess he's referencing something that happens in the next 2 episodes?  Because his character didn't do anything special at all and had very little screen time.  Just a typical part of the rebellion.  Anyway, fans obviously know James Earl Jones is the voice of Vader, loved Lando, had no racist issues with Finn or Samuel L Jackson, love Rosario Dawson as Ashoka, all the diverse characters in Rogue One... it's almost as if fans just like characters that are well written and acted and don't like the ones that aren't.  Some racist trolls sent her messages and that's wrong, but they're magnifying the situation too much.

Actually from a writing standpoint his character was poorly handled.  He first said no way he's not helping.  Obi-Wan said you have no idea what the Empire is capable of.  The second Obi said that I knew O'shea's character was about to share a sob story...and as predictable as ever he did.  Then immediately agreed to help.  Quite a quick change of decision.  It was another unnecessary way to write the scene.  The purpose of his character was to assist Obi-Wan to get Leia.  He could have acknowledge Obi-Wan as one of the last surviving Jedi, paid respect to him and said my wife was force sensitive and was killed by the Empire.  I want to help any way I can to take them down.  Let's do this.  But instead had to make up some brief conflict.  It was dumb.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

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Haha. 

Not only does Obi Wan have a beard which no Imperial has, but he's walking funnily in an abnormally large green coat to hide a child - it's a like big neon sign saying look at this man, he's up to no good. 

Is that the best they can come up with?

 

Correct.  It's really not that difficult to write a better scene.

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Instead of having the rebel ships show up at the obvious last second once they're surrounded (not a moment before or after just in the nick of time like so many movies do this tired cliche), they could've had the spy woman (forget the character name) create a distraction allowing Obi and Leia to get to the ships. I actually thought the way the episode was going, that she was going to become a sacrifice so they could escape and have her die a hero.  Or they could have the ships show up and create the distraction and fire on the hangar to make a way for their friends to get to safety.

The alarms have sounded, everyone is on the lookout for Obi-Wan who looks like a homeless farmer sticking out like a sore thumb to begin with, the "spy" looks nervous af in every scene giving herself away and they walk right past all the troops who are clueless.  It's not that tough to write a scene like that in a better way.

I did like Obi-Wan fighting stormtroopers that part was cool at least.

 

 

[SB52]

It’s over. Obi Wan episode 4 was the final nail in the coffin. It was "Book of Boba Fett” bad. There was even a bacta tank!

As a Star Wars fan, though, this doesn’t upset me. I just refuse to acknowledge the new material as canon.

[Gannan]

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

One random thing I have thought about the Star Wars universe as a whole, is media/news and communication.  The technology is advanced in many ways, but they don't have great personal communication devices like a smart phone to communicate directly to each other, take video evidence of things happening.  There's no news outlets sharing information.  

There seems to be a lot of lack of knowledge about what's going on, what happened in the past.  In The Force Awakens, some people think Luke Skywalker is a myth and it was only like 30 years prior.  Some groups or planets don't seem to know Jedi are real, the events of the war, you would think there would be news and propaganda. Some people seem to have knowledge about things when they travel from planet to planet.  But how does that news travel?  It probably doesn't fit in the style of the movies to cut to some galactic news channel reporting the news or getting into politically biased media for the Empire and for the Republic or whatever.  I just always thought it was funny with all the technology there's not news where people find out about things.  

Well it was a long time ago…

[Wormlegs]

Episode 4 was pretty weak. The Obi Won fight scene was pretty good, basically showing him relearning as he is fighting. Overall the episode felt to me to be the weakest one so far

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1 hour ago, SB52 said:

It’s over. Obi Wan episode 4 was the final nail in the coffin. It was "Book of Boba Fett” bad. There was even a bacta tank!

As a Star Wars fan, though, this doesn’t upset me. I just refuse to acknowledge the new material as canon.

I thought it was better than the last 2, but the bar is low.

Of the new material, Rogue One & The Mandalorian are the best content since ROTJ. And that's after Disney bought it. I'm looking forward to the Ashoka series and I think Andor has potential. 

[SB52]

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I thought it was better than the last 2, but the bar is low.

Of the new material, Rogue One & The Mandalorian are the best content since ROTJ. And that's after Disney bought it. I'm looking forward to the Ashoka series and I think Andor has potential. 

We see this exactly the same way.

Rogue One is underrated, IMO. I’ll definitely give Ashoka a chance. Animated Ashoka is a good character.

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3 minutes ago, SB52 said:

We see this exactly the same way.

Rogue One is underrated, IMO. I’ll definitely give Ashoka a chance. Animated Ashoka is a good character.

She was good in the Mandalorian as well.

And there were some parts of Boba Fett I liked, but I had very low expectations. Like Solo, I thought it was very unnecessary. 

The Bad Batch is pretty good for a cartoon as well. They're making a season 2.

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[dawkins4prez]

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

I thought it was better than the last 2, but the bar is low.

Of the new material, Rogue One & The Mandalorian are the best content since ROTJ. And that's after Disney bought it. I'm looking forward to the Ashoka series and I think Andor has potential. 

The Last jedi is the only thing they've done with f'ing balls.

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14 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

The Last jedi is the only thing they've done with f'ing balls.

Taking risks is great...but the movie mostly sucked, ished on the fans both in content and smug social media condescension to talk down to fans for not liking it, every scene without Kylo Ren, Luke & Rey was absolutely terrible and corny, the plot holes & bad writing in a movie "with balls" didn't mix.

Take bold risks & "balls" with the new characters...give fans the Luke they wanted to see after waiting 32 years. Easy example: skip Holdo & let Ackbar make the hero's sacrifice instead of killing him off screen. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, SB52 said:

We see this exactly the same way.

Rogue One is underrated, IMO. I’ll definitely give Ashoka a chance. Animated Ashoka is a good character.

Rogue one is the second best movie

[devpool]

This week's episode sucked.

[UK Eagle]

15 hours ago, NOTW said:

Correct.  It's really not that difficult to write a better scene.

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Instead of having the rebel ships show up at the obvious last second once they're surrounded (not a moment before or after just in the nick of time like so many movies do this tired cliche), they could've had the spy woman (forget the character name) create a distraction allowing Obi and Leia to get to the ships. I actually thought the way the episode was going, that she was going to become a sacrifice so they could escape and have her die a hero.  Or they could have the ships show up and create the distraction and fire on the hangar to make a way for their friends to get to safety.

The alarms have sounded, everyone is on the lookout for Obi-Wan who looks like a homeless farmer sticking out like a sore thumb to begin with, the "spy" looks nervous af in every scene giving herself away and they walk right past all the troops who are clueless.  It's not that tough to write a scene like that in a better way.

I did like Obi-Wan fighting stormtroopers that part was cool at least.

 

 

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Agree.  The thing I realised last night was they chose to make the hangar like that, in terms of set design (green screen), and chose to have that stupid fighter scene, all to get another tracker on a ship or whatever. Convoluted and stupid.  I did think the Martell woman from GoT was the sacrifice - it would have made more sense now her cover has been blown

Nu Star Wars could be good, but there are times it jars so much I can't help but think about how dumb it is. 

On the plus side, at least Obi Wan quickly found the force and made his fight scenes eminently watchable again.

 

[Wormlegs]

12 hours ago, NOTW said:

I thought it was better than the last 2, but the bar is low.

Of the new material, Rogue One & The Mandalorian are the best content since ROTJ. And that's after Disney bought it. I'm looking forward to the Ashoka series and I think Andor has potential. 

I am  feeling the  same  way. Both were very good, much much better than Boba Fett and Obi Won so far

[Gannan]

10 hours ago, NOTW said:

Taking risks is great...but the movie mostly sucked, ished on the fans both in content and smug social media condescension to talk down to fans for not liking it, every scene without Kylo Ren, Luke & Rey was absolutely terrible and corny, the plot holes & bad writing in a movie "with balls" didn't mix.

Take bold risks & "balls" with the new characters...give fans the Luke they wanted to see after waiting 32 years. Easy example: skip Holdo & let Ackbar make the hero's sacrifice instead of killing him off screen. 

Thank you. I don't mind glaring plot holes and utter nonsense (like how there's suddenly gravity in space one minute when you need to drop bombs and no gravity the next so they can do a Mary Poppins in space thing) but at least give me a fun movie or show. TLJ was painful. Kenobi for all it's flaws is at least fun... for me at least. 

[dawkins4prez]

51 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Thank you. I don't mind glaring plot holes and utter nonsense (like how there's suddenly gravity in space one minute when you need to drop bombs and no gravity the next so they can do a Mary Poppins in space thing) but at least give me a fun movie or show. TLJ was painful. Kenobi for all it's flaws is at least fun... for me at least. 

You're entitled to your wrong opinion of TLJ.

[Gannan]

45 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

You're entitled to your wrong opinion of TLJ.

We've been over this. The characters were cookie cutter and horrible. Characters like Holdo and Rose are paper thin and quite frankly stupid. The entire casino sequence that took up like half the movie was essentially pointless from a plot point of view (all because Holdo thought her subordinates didn't need to know what her plan was). Even Mark Hamill himself hated what they did to Luke. And don't get me started on the Mary Sue factor.

One thing I will say for the Obi Wan show is that they got away from all imperial bad guys = white men, all resistance good guys = women and people of color. I couldn't take anymore of that woke nonsense. 

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4 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

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Agree.  The thing I realised last night was they chose to make the hangar like that, in terms of set design (green screen), and chose to have that stupid fighter scene, all to get another tracker on a ship or whatever. Convoluted and stupid.  I did think the Martell woman from GoT was the sacrifice - it would have made more sense now her cover has been blown

Nu Star Wars could be good, but there are times it jars so much I can't help but think about how dumb it is. 

On the plus side, at least Obi Wan quickly found the force and made his fight scenes eminently watchable again.

 

Also,

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They have a hangar with weird rectangle bombs they can throw at a nearby ship...but no weapon to shoot these bombs at them or guns to shoot at them and no...ships...in a ship hangar.  So Reva said her plan was to let them escape with a tracker to lead them to the network (the path).  Fine.  But some random trooper threw a bomb at one of the ships blowing it up.  Was that part of her plan, to have someone do that to the other ship?  What if he threw it at the wrong one with the tracker?  I guess killing Obi-Wan would have made that worth it.  But Vader and Reva are SO OBSESSED with capturing and killing Obi-Wan it was hard to buy that they wouldn't want to just kill Obi-Wan while they have the chance since they've let him escape a couple times already so this is now the 3rd.  And Vader was really pissed stomping into the room and about to kill Reva.  Quickly calmed down because of the tracker.  Ok.  We obviously know who survives so the stakes aren't very high, so we'd rather just see Obi-Wan take out the Inquisitors and face Vader while helping some rebels along the way and set the stage for Rogue One and A New Hope.

 

[Gannan]

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They shouldn't have rushed Obi-Wan meeting Vader in episode 3.  They're going for an Obi-Wan that is a shell of his former self and scared of Vader, then presumably building up his mojo to face Vader again.  Well, we know both of them survive obviously.  And you don't want to take away from their fight in A New Hope which gives the idea it's been a very long time since they met up.  What I expected was to see glimpses of Vader - his scenes with the Inquisitors are fine, attacking innocent villagers, etc. - and buildup to one confrontation between them.  The way it was handled felt cheap and not much payoff after the way Revenge of the Sith ended.  Vader was toying with him and didn't seem to have enough rage.  

By comparison, Kylo Ren's obsession with finding Luke and then discovering Rey and obsessed with finding out who she is was portrayed better.  A buildup that didn't even payoff until the end of the 2nd movie where he faces Luke again.  

Obi-Wan should have been working his way through little missions to help surviving Jedi, stopping Inquisitors from killing innocent townspeople, move attention away from Tattoine and Luke to protect the mission they set out at the end of ROTS to wait until the proper time, and then culminate with a Vader showdown in the final episode with a more epic moment that sets the stage for Rogue One and A New Hope.

[dawkins4prez]

18 hours ago, NOTW said:

Taking risks is great...but the movie mostly sucked, ished on the fans both in content and smug social media condescension to talk down to fans for not liking it, every scene without Kylo Ren, Luke & Rey was absolutely terrible and corny, the plot holes & bad writing in a movie "with balls" didn't mix.

Take bold risks & "balls" with the new characters...give fans the Luke they wanted to see after waiting 32 years. Easy example: skip Holdo & let Ackbar make the hero's sacrifice instead of killing him off screen. 

Sorry mate, but his is exactly the type of thinking that has ruined Star Wars.  Obsessions with canon and timelines and fan service.  This is exactly why Disney is perfectly fine with trotting out their C talent writing and hitting for singles that don't piss off people like you.  Everything doesn't have to be Tolkien or GoT.  At least half of the great fantasy worlds out there never gave a rats about the canon and once upon a time in a galaxy far away, Star Wars was one of them.

 

The Last Jedi is one of the more esoteric big budget sci fi's put to film.  It's the only movie in the entire catalog that actually puts some brains to the spiritual center of the SW universe, the Force.  If you can't tell that kinda story without a revolt from the fanbois, then its time to junk the whole thing.

[iladelphxx]

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3 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Sorry mate, but his is exactly the type of thinking that has ruined Star Wars.  Obsessions with canon and timelines and fan service.  This is exactly why Disney is perfectly fine with trotting out their C talent writing and hitting for singles that don't piss off people like you.  Everything doesn't have to be Tolkien or GoT.  At least half of the great fantasy worlds out there never gave a rats about the canon and once upon a time in a galaxy far away, Star Wars was one of them.

 

The Last Jedi is one of the more esoteric big budget sci fi's put to film.  It's the only movie in the entire catalog that actually puts some brains to the spiritual center of the SW universe, the Force.  If you can't tell that kinda story without a revolt from the fanbois, then its time to junk the whole thing.

Well first, almost no one ever agrees with you.  Second, your smug and condescending attitude toward others and telling them they are "wrong" in their opinion about a movie doesn't help any argument.  Having said that,

I went over this in the past on the old board.  I liked aspects of the risk taking you are referring to.  Luke's teaching to Rey about the force and that it's vanity to say someone controls it, pointing out that it exists whether there are Jedi or not, talking about the mistakes the Jedi made in the past...I perked up and liked that a lot.  I had hopes that they were going in a different direction of the gray Jedi, embracing balance of the light and dark which is actually what Luke did in ROTJ to defeat Vader.  He tapped into the dark side just enough to overpower Vader than pulled back and didn't cross the line.  You're wrong that TLJ is the only movie to talk about the Force this way, both Obi-Wan and Yoda in more than one previous movie talked about the Force more than just "lifting rocks" as Rey put it. They talked about the force in the original trilogy as an entity that exists in the universe, not just something that Jedi possess to use super powers.  It's why non-Force users said "may the Force be with you" to each other, knowing it was something more than just Jedi have within them.

But other than the twist at the end with Luke projecting himself they didn't do anything else risky or "with balls" after his speech on the island.  Rey didn't do anything in the force other than grab a lightsaber to duel the bad guys and at the end literally lift rocks despite the comments that the Force is about more than doing just that.  

Midway through the movie, I thought they were going to go in a new direction and do something interesting - and risky as you put it - and then...they didn't.  By the time Rey joins forces temporarily with Ben to fight Snoke's guards I didn't like most of the movie anyway so I actually hoped she'd take his hand and go with him and see what happens rather than do the same old same old.  THAT would have been ballsy.  The movie you think had "balls" had them do the same old thing as before.  Rey tried to turn him good, failed in the 2nd movie but succeeded in the 3rd movie.  The rebels set up a base to defend themselves against Imperial Walkers - the just did the Hoth scene at the end of the 2nd movie instead of the beginning.  

Other than Luke's speech on the island, what did they do that "had balls?"  Kylo Ren maybe, I did like a lot of his character.  Everything with the rebels was stupid and horrible, horrible writing and dialogue.  The entire Canto Bight casino scene was worse than the CGI-fest prequels, it was full of silly cartoonish moments.  The galactically stupid plot of Leia's replacement (who came out of nowhere) not sharing her simple plan with her crew who were facing imminent death was meant to "subvert expectations" for the audience.  Rian wanted the audience to wonder if she's actually a spy, incompetent or whatever and create mystery around it (plus have a purple haired feminist step in and put the "flyboy" toxic man in his place).  There was absolutely ZERO reason to not simply tell the entire crew: hey, we found a planet with an old rebel base!  We're gonna be ok.  We're going to create a distraction so we can get the escape pods down there, they won't be looking for those.  Everybody ready?  Great let's get to work.  It was TERRIBLE WRITING - not "balls" - to do that just to "subvert expectations."  Ooh, this is a spaceship, no it's an iron ha ha SW fans are dumb.  Ooh, Holdo might be evil, ooh Leia is blasting Poe with a stun gun oh no what's going on???  Cue sad trumpet music - whaa whaa whaaaaaa - actually Holdo had a plan all along and told, well no one because...um... never mind that fans, we're just taking risks here and having "balls."  Again, they kill off beloved character Admiral Ackbar off screen with zero fanfare to pay respect to the character.  They simply could have had him pilot the ship, make the sacrifice and his plan saves the rebels.  

You simply cannot defend the terrible writing, dialogue and corny nature of the majority of the movie apart from what they did with Luke.  You can't possibly watch Finn, Rose, the casino scene, Captain Phasma, BB-8 shooting coins at guards and driving a walker, Rose saying she wants to put her fist through this lousy beautiful town, Leia using the force as Space Mary Poppins...most of the movie was hot garbage and not "risky".  I do agree, stuff they did with Luke was stepping out of a comfort zone and doing something different.  But they should have put Luke in the first movie to show him in a more heroic fashion.  Show the scene with the Jedi temple and trying to start up a new class.  Have it start with Luke on a mission where he displays power and does heroic things for fan service.  Get all the fan service out of the way in the first 1/3 of the movie, fans have been waiting 32 years for this.  Show Kylo Ren turn to the dark side, rebel and destroy the temple and by the end of that movie Luke goes away.  Then in the 2nd movie, do the Luke hermit thing and the "with balls" approach.  It would make more sense anyway.