6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yowsa

If you love to fish, you have got to come down to Los Cabos.  I run a sportfishing business out of small town called Los Barriles. The diversity and size of the fish (marlin, tuna, dorado, wahoo, yellowtail, grouper, snapper etc) here is ridiculously awesome.  So much fun!!  

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Since we're taking a chance on guys.  I would much rather take a chance on Ridder late 1st early 2nd than Pickett mid to high first.  

Sounds like a tough life.  

That's where I'm at. I'd much rather do the late 1st-mid 3rd on a Ridder, Howell or Strong than a teens pick on Pickett and his carny hands.

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

If you love to fish, you have got to come down to Los Cabos.  I run a sportfishing business out of small town called Los Barriles. The diversity and size of the fish (marlin, tuna, dorado, wahoo, yellowtail, grouper, snapper etc) here is ridiculously awesome.  So much fun!!  

I fished Cabo about a year ago, great charter.  We caught lots of dorado, missed on a marlin, but was a great day.  The fishing grounds were an easy short trip too, although I remember them saying tuna were a ways farther out.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Sounds like a tough life.  

Totally sucks hahaha.  

Really though it is helluva lot more work than people realize.  Up at 4 am work until dark.  Dealing with clients and constant boat repair is pain.  That being said, there is nothing else I would rather do.  Freaking love fishing!

 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think she covers Pittsburgh the most.  Would love to see them bypass the Eagles (or better yet, trade with the Eagles) to take Pickett.

My dream scenario is trading down to the Lions for 32 and 34 for a player that falls to us at 15. I think there's a lot of value in the bottom 1st/top 2nd in this draft.

Anyone else watching Malik's pro day? Dude has an incredible arm

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

That's where I'm at. I'd much rather do the late 1st-mid 3rd on a Ridder, Howell or Strong than a teens pick on Pickett and his carny hands.

I'm fine with a big investment on a QB prospect that checks all the boxes.  If that's not an option (and it may not be for years), then they should just keep a baited line in the water (since we are talking about fishing) every offseason.  Bring in a QB in rounds 2-4 with some potential every offseason until we find our guy.  You get to keep working with new talent, but are not married or over-committed to any of them.  We burn multiple experimental reaches in that range every draft at other positions.  When we lack the most important position in sports, we might as well spend one pick in that 2-4 range every draft on a lottery ticket until we get one.

Davis Mills was the guy I wanted for that investment last year.  This year it's Carson Strong.  If it's convenient, pick them up.  If not, better luck next year.

Just now, bitbased said:

My dream scenario is trading down to the Lions for 32 and 34 for a player that falls to us at 15. I think there's a lot of value in the bottom 1st/top 2nd in this draft.

I agree. That's the money spot.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

"Carny"  Haven't heard that word used in a while.  Not since the Tilt-A-Whirl incident of 87.  

 

Howell looks too much like Mayfield to me.  I can't with him.  

He'd be my 3rd choice of those 3. Had a nice year in 2021 before he lost his entire suite of offensive weapons.

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Anyone else watching Malik's pro day? Dude has an incredible arm

I'm concerned that drafting Willis for his arm out of frustration about Hurts' arm will be like drafting Reagor for his speed after getting JJAW.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I fished Cabo about a year ago, great charter.  We caught lots of dorado, missed on a marlin, but was a great day.  The fishing grounds were an easy short trip too, although I remember them saying tuna were a ways farther out.

Yeah, Cabo is great fishing especially in the winter.  If they aren't on the banks, the tuna run with the porpoise anywhere from 5-50 miles offshore.  

Our season is in the summer-fall.  We get north wind December-March which puts the damper on fishing.  But, when we get out on the non windy days we usually slay it.  Lots of yellowtail (hamachi) around right now just 1 mile from shore.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I'm concerned that drafting Willis for his arm out of frustration about Hurts' arm will be like drafting Reagor for his speed after getting JJAW.

I'm not worried about that. If we take any QB this draft, it better be him.

Just listening to an interview with Bob Kravitz, senior writer for The Athletic for the Colts.  He said the Colts' main issue with Wentz was his unwillingness (or refusal) to take the easy throws underneath.  Apparently Kurt Warner put together a video of numerous throws where Wentz tried to throw downfield, while ignoring wide open guys 5-10 yards from the LOS.  He said they are confident Matt Ryan will be able to "make the layups".

Only thought it was worth mentioning because it's consistent with some of what we heard with the Eagles.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Just listening to an interview with Bob Kravitz, senior writer for The Athletic for the Colts.  He said the Colts' main issue with Wentz was his unwillingness (or refusal) to take the easy throws underneath.  Apparently Kurt Warner put together a video of numerous throws where Wentz tried to throw downfield, while ignoring wide open guys 5-10 yards from the LOS.  He said they are confident Matt Ryan will be able to "make the layups".

Only thought it was worth mentioning because it's consistent with some of what we heard with the Eagles.

Hero ball. He'll never grow out of it. It's who he wants to be.

The BwF crew kinda bashing the Eagles moves today. I don't listen to them nearly as much anymore because of Woke Bo, so I'm not sure what they've been saying lately, but at least today it's refreshing to hear someone critical about their moves when it seems the media has been slurping everything they've done all offseason.

They ripped the Harris and Cox signings. They all agreed the Cox signing made no sense, especially for the money and all thought Harris made little sense and was underwhelming.

22 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nice effort at being passive aggressive sport.  You can talk ish about me directly.....it's ok. 

 

You refused to answer my last question.  I guess you got tired of getting killed in here and decided to bail on it.  So again.....Watson-gone, Wilson- gone, Rodgers- Gone.....What happens if Pickett goes early.  Then who are you pounding the table for at QB then?  Because if you liked Pickett so much, than why are you just lobbying for him now that the other options have dried up.  Are you going to just go down the line until we get a QB...any QB?   Why not argue that he should be the guy we develop?  He's already on the roster.  What's wrong with him?  

Pittsburgh and Cleveland.  She was always at Steelers camp.  At least that's what Betcarty told me, since I don't pay attention to other teams in the NFL.   

LOL - I made a joke.  Dont get so defensive.  I moved on, you seemed so dead staunchly against getting any QB's this year, whether by FA or Draft, that it wasn't worth my effort anymore. I gave my opinions, you gave yours. I moved on. 

But to appease you., my answer, if they want pickett and miss out on him, then they screwed up. Just like when they wanted Wilson and missed him in the draft.

What happens? well we gotta find one somewhere, at some point. I stated if THEY THINK HE HAS THAT POTENTIAL then I am OK with them taking him, if they dont get him, then they must not think he has that potential, OR they screwed up yet again. What happens after that is moot, we likely have to wait another year or they worse yet, panic and draft someone who they really didn't have as much faith in? regardless... drafting a QB is a crapshoot. And unless you take chances at some point, you will never get one, especially if you are not willing to pay the price to bring in a FA franchise QB when they are avail.

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm concerned that drafting Willis for his arm out of frustration about Hurts' arm will be like drafting Reagor for his speed after getting JJAW.

Willis is the best athlete avail at QB this year- and that scares me, QB's who rely on their athleticism in College rarely transform into NFL QB's. I stated it before, when Running QB's become the norm for how teams win championships, thats when I will become a fan. 

 

Just now, Ipiggles said:

drafting a QB is a crapshoot. And unless you take chances at some point, you will never get one, especially if you are not willing to poay the price to bring in a FA franchise QB when they are avail.

 

 

 

 

And that crapshoot gets dramatically worse after the first 16 picks or so. Taking a guy who was predicted in the second or third round at 15 overall doesn't count. 

The reason Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Kirk Cousins are such big stories is because of allllllllll the other Qb's who didn't work out after the first half of the first round. I don't think there are any QB's in this draft who are worth the crapshoot.

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

But the general consensus is that no QBs this year are worth a first round selection. Yet you keep trying to push that they are. Don't you see the folly? 

I think that's the consensus of some internet draft scouts.  I don't think that's how the draft is likely to play out in terms of player selection.  Lance Zierlein has Pickett as a 6.4 which is a 1st round value.  https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kenny-pickett/32005049-4377-7233-6101-772adaebe15c  He has Matt Corrall as that same grade and Willis ahead of them.  https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/  Zeirlein does the work for Jeremiah but they both acknowledge getting information from NFL scouts and FO people.  I think the difference is that none of these prospects are viewed as sure things.  

4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

And that crapshoot gets dramatically worse after the first 16 picks or so. Taking a guy who was predicted in the second or third round at 15 overall doesn't count. 

The reason Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Kirk Cousins are such big stories is because of allllllllll the other Qb's who didn't work out after the first half of the first round. I don't think there are any QB's in this draft who are worth the crapshoot.

This may be true, but when you dont have a QB, you take more chances , because without one, you are not competing for a championship, you are competing for more draft picks. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I think that's the consensus of some internet draft scouts.  I don't think that's how the draft is likely to play out in terms of player selection.  Lance Zierlein has Pickett as a 6.4 which is a 1st round value.  https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kenny-pickett/32005049-4377-7233-6101-772adaebe15c  He has Matt Corrall as that same grade and Willis ahead of them.  https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/  Zeirlein does the work for Jeremiah but they both acknowledge getting information from NFL scouts and FO people.  I think the difference is that none of these prospects are viewed as sure things.  

The problem is that many teams will reach for their QBs. So if a team likes Willis and drafts around the 20's because they dont think he'll still be there at their 2nd round pick, we're gonna have to draft him higher to get him. That's not a game worth playing IMO

18 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Anyone else watching Malik's pro day? Dude has an incredible arm

He can sling it.  Looks like he has the whole toolbox.  If Willis has it between the ears in terms of learning an offense, reading defenses, decision making, then he is going to one heck of a player

Willis has all the tools, at an elite level at that.

Question is, can he put it all together?

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

This may be true, but when you dont have a QB, you take more chances , because without one, you are not competing for a championship, you are competing for more draft picks. 

There is still a QB available who was my ideal pickup this offseason.

Jimmy G has played 2 full seasons and made the NFC championship game both times. You can say he doesn't put up elite numbers, but he's played on run heavy teams his entire career. He's super accurate and has an insane ypa statistic. he led the league in ypc last year, and has an insane 8.6 ypa. That wasn't a Deebo anomaly, as his career is 8.4

8.4 YPA at 67.7 career completion % is outstanding. He's not top 10, and hes not worth a 1st.... but hes still young enough to be our QB for 5+ years, or at least until we get a real successor in place

Just now, D-Shiznit said:

Willis has all the tools, at an elite level at that.

Question is, can he put it all together?

He had as many completions last year as he did rushing attempts. I don't think that will translate quite as well at the NFL level. Who has that ratio ended up benefiting? Is he a proficient pocket passer?

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

The problem is that many teams will reach for their QBs. So if a team likes Willis and drafts around the 20's because they dont think he'll still be there at their 2nd round pick, we're gonna have to draft him higher to get him. That's not a game worth playing IMO

I agree with you.  More than one QB is likely to get drafted in the top 10.