33 minutes ago, bitbased said:

It's crazy that everyone is still mocking a LB to us in the 1st after the White signing. Has no one paid attention to this team for the last 20 years? There's plenty of good LBs in the 2nd and 3rd where we don't have to force one in the 1st round. I'd honestly see them trading down if the board fell that way.

one thing I will say about Howie is that other than being aggressive, I think he's a bit unpredictable because he does tend to shift based on past mistakes.  For how long did they ignore WR and then suddenly put a ton of draft resources into the position?  And I think he does draft based on what the coaches value, so with these guys in place and so much draft capital, I'm not quite sure where they will go after solidifying the lines.  I think it very well could be a LB, even though we devalued the position for so long.

52 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Typically carry four or five DE.  Graham, Sweat, Barnett and Reddick (maybe a SAM).  Jackson was performing better as the season went on. So no room for a DE on the rafter.  Sacrifice a Jackson for a 34 year old DE on a team in year two of a three year rebuild and have three first round picks and likely a pretty good DE prospect falling to them that they pass on because no room at the inn?  Doesn’t make great sense to me.

If you're doing a good job of roster building, you're waiving guys in August that you might lose, but Toohill isn't gonna make or break the franchise.

Reddick is a SAM in a 3-4 hybrid, but say the Eagles draft two DE, one early, one mid-rounds. So they waive the mid-rounder or Jackson - after the better player wins a roster spot in camp. That's good, even if you can't get the other player to the PS. Trying to save a marginal prospect (or you wouldn't consider waiving him) and weaken the team in 2022 really doesn't make sense unless you think you're gonna be a 4-13 team. Eagles have legitimate playoff aspirations.

You take the BPA and worry about roster ramifications later. Between the draft and final roster decisions, you'll have potential trades, players going on IR, players showing they're good enough on STs to go thinner elsewhere, and most players pass through waivers on final cuts b/c other teams don't want to release another player to pick up your "reject." Once on the PS you can protect that player the rest of the season.

Meanwhile the Eagles are a 9-8 team with potentially a weak schedule, a young QB who could improve, a lot of young talent added in the draft and picked up last season (not just the draft last year but Stoll, Awosika, Gowan, Scott, Vincent, McCain, Chachere) who could step up. So keeping a few veterans around makes sense. Cincy went 10-7 against a weak schedule, then went on a post season run when a young QB made a big step up from his rookie season.

 

3 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

one thing I will say about Howie is that other than being aggressive, I think he's a bit unpredictable because he does tend to shift based on past mistakes.  For how long did they ignore WR and then suddenly put a ton of draft resources into the position?  And I think he does draft based on what the coaches value, so with these guys in place and so much draft capital, I'm not quite sure where they will go after solidifying the lines.  I think it very well could be a LB, even though we devalued the position for so long.

Gannon definitely puts a higher value on LBs than Schwartz, probably on safeties as well, likes DL who can play multiple roles.

Siriani has a history of coaching up big WRs (Allen in SD, Pittman, Pascal), likes to go with three TEs, and might consider RBs worth of 2nd/3rd picks.

6 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Anyone know how much Jordan Davis can bench?  I've heard others (message boards so take with a grain of salt) say his personal best is only around 250-275 pounds but can't seem to find anything anywhere.  He skipped the bench at combine I believe.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32486465/the-legend-jordan-davis-growing-lead-georgia-bulldogs-football-promised-land 

This said in High School he also struggled to bench half his weight when he weighed 300 pounds

I’m totally out on Jordan Davis and Derek Stingley. Reports about lack of effort really scare me. I read people were "proud” of Davis for getting ready for the combine. But this a multi-million dollar job interview. I’m just worried that after he gets the job, he’ll stop trying again. Drafting someone for a 40 time is beyond stupid

8 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Cossell likes Jalen Tolbert better than London. Pretty interesting... 

I like pretty much every WR prospect better than London -- even the late-round guys.  Not crazy about Tolbert, either, but given a choice I would take Tolbert all day long.

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You take the BPA and worry about roster ramifications later.

Howie does not even take the BPA when it is at the #1 position of need.

3 hours ago, purplefiggy said:

I know we all have our opinions, but I’m genuinely interested to see what is going to happen this season. The eagles have publicly said they need to be a better passing offense and specifically talked about getting their current weapons more targets.

That isn’t about upgrading the talent (though I expect they will do that too). it is about the QB. 

No more hiding his passing deficiencies by going run heavy. They want to pass, and we will see if Hurts can answer the call. 

how many games do you give him before making a final judgement?  I think 6 games should be more than enough for him to demonstrate he took a big step forward. 

 

What's the point of just 6 games?  Does the season end after 6 games? 

Gotta love the April Fools joke crowd.  At least make it believable.  And the dumb@ss even put April fools in the meme.

 

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

You miss the point entirely. Regular season stats and wins are one thing. In the playoffs, where it actually matters, QBs are forced to be QBs. And that entails being able to pass the ball successfully. It's why the Bucs destroyed us this year, because Hurts can't do it. It's why Lamar Jackson has failed to do anything of note in the playoffs. And Jimmy G's per game stats in the playoffs:

13/22, 59%, 160 yards, with a total of 4 TDs to 6 INTs in 6 games.

That's a far cry from his average regular season numbers, which is my point entirely. You know how the Jimmy G story will end up in San Fran. He'll take them into the playoffs, maybe win a game or two, but eventually, when he has to win the game with his arm, he just can't do it. 

If you want to set those numbers as the bar, then good for you. I would prefer to aim a lot higher. 

In the playoffs, top QBs are often shut down, see Mahomes in the SB and the playoffs last year.

Teams win or lose games, often top passing games are built around a couple elite receivers, and when good defenses take them away, those offenses flounder.

It's all about the offense as a whole, and how it can adjust to defenses, yes, Hurts has to be better, but he doesn't have to be elite, just able to take advantage of adjustments defenses make.

That's why I focus on offensive play, not QB play, a good HC/OC plays to the strengths of his team and finds ways to hide weaknesses.

If I'm Siri, I'm not asking Hurts to run a high powered passing offense, I'm working on having him take advantage of defenses when they try to shut down a top running game, to use the threat of him running to force teams to utilize a spy and make it easier to pass, and so on. So I build around the running game, work on an improved screen game, use the RPO and bootlegs to keep the defense from keying on the run, and take advantage if a team starts to cheat their safeties toward the LOS with big plays off play action.

Will it work? Watch the games. What matters is whether the offense can move the ball consistently, and whether Hurts can QB the offense to a high rate of red zone success.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

In the playoffs, top QBs are often shut down, see Mahomes in the SB and the playoffs last year.

Do you really believe the crap you post.  No wonder more and more posters are pointing out the idiocy of your posts.

He averaged 334 passing yards per game, with 11 TD's and 3 interceptions and averaged 36 PPG in the playoffs.

He threw 11 TD's in 3 playoff games.  Hurts threw 17 TD's over 16 regular season games and 1 playoff game.

 

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

In the playoffs, top QBs are often shut down, see Mahomes in the SB and the playoffs last year.

Teams win or lose games, often top passing games are built around a couple elite receivers, and when good defenses take them away, those offenses flounder.

It's all about the offense as a whole, and how it can adjust to defenses, yes, Hurts has to be better, but he doesn't have to be elite, just able to take advantage of adjustments defenses make.

That's why I focus on offensive play, not QB play, a good HC/OC plays to the strengths of his team and finds ways to hide weaknesses.

If I'm Siri, I'm not asking Hurts to run a high powered passing offense, I'm working on having him take advantage of defenses when they try to shut down a top running game, to use the threat of him running to force teams to utilize a spy and make it easier to pass, and so on. So I build around the running game, work on an improved screen game, use the RPO and bootlegs to keep the defense from keying on the run, and take advantage if a team starts to cheat their safeties toward the LOS with big plays off play action.

Will it work? Watch the games. What matters is whether the offense can move the ball consistently, and whether Hurts can QB the offense to a high rate of red zone success.

C'mon man...

Mahomes last year in the playoffs was 89/122 (73%), 1057 yards (352 per game), 11 TDs to 3 INTs. 

Yes, Tampa locked him down in the Super Bowl, but that game would really appear to be the outlier. Otherwise, leading up to it, he was 21/30 255 yards, 1 to  against Cle, then 29/38 325 with 3 TDs 0 Ints against Buffalo. 

For his entire playoff career, he averages 25/38 (66%) 307 yards, with a total of 28 TDs to 7 INTs over 11 playoff games. 

Comparing Mahomes to Jimmy G or Hurts, and it appears they aren't even playing the same position. 

How many times do you have to see a running QB get shut down in the playoffs before you realize it just doesn't work? We KNOW it won't work, we don't need to waste another season to see it again. Insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting different results. 

57 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not suggesting he is guilty.  I'm saying that there is extra risk involved with a player facing multiple rape charges, if convicted, you've now wasted a draft resource on him. Those are finite, and selecting him and having him incarcerated means missing out on another player.  Best move for an NFL team with him is to sign him as a UDFA, with incentives to raise his salary, similar to what the Cowboys did with La'el Collins.  Too much risk for an NFL team to draft him, IMO.    It's not about judging him, it's about risk assessment.

Similarly, teams avoid medical red flag players as well in the draft.  

Sure, but NFL teams have access to stuff we don't so therefore they might already know (mostly) whether he's guilty or not so if he's good we can root for him to come here hoping that Howie already knows the.....................................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

never mind

Was thinking about how bad could the Eagles (Howie!) screw up the 3 picks in the first rd, and...

 

Which was the worse 1st rd pick in past 30+ years? 

I believe these are the top two (Below) and are neck and neck. But there are other close honorable mentions: (Bernard Williams, Freddie Mitchell, Lester Homes, Loenard Renfro, Mike Mamula, J McDougal, Marcus Smith, Jalen Reagor)

 Jon Harris DE 1997 Pick #25   6'7"  Pass rushing end

2 year career

24 games played, 8 games started - 2 sacks- 37 tackles

 

or

 

Danny Watkins OG 2011 Pick #23  26 Year old Fireman

2 year career

24 games 6 games starting

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Do you really believe the crap you post.  No wonder more and more posters are pointing out the idiocy of your posts.

He averaged 334 passing yards per game, with 11 TD's and 3 interceptions and averaged 36 PPG in the playoffs.

He threw 11 TD's in 3 playoff games.  Hurts threw 17 TD's over 16 regular season games and 1 playoff game.

 

Mahomes, in 11 playoff games has:

280/423, 3381 yards, 28 TDs 7 Ints.

Hurts, in 19 regular season starts has:

342/580, 4,205 yards, 22 TDs to 13 INTs. 

They aren't on the same planet when it comes to playing QB. But sure, another year in the same system will fix everything!

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Mahomes, in 11 playoff games has:

280/423, 3381 yards, 28 TDs 7 Ints.

Hurts, in 19 regular season starts has:

342/580, 4,205 yards, 22 TDs to 13 INTs. 

They aren't on the same planet when it comes to playing QB. But sure, another year in the same system will fix everything!

That unproven mahomes… 

28 minutes ago, blindside said:

I’m totally out on Jordan Davis and Derek Stingley. Reports about lack of effort really scare me. I read people were "proud” of Davis for getting ready for the combine. But this a multi-million dollar job interview. I’m just worried that after he gets the job, he’ll stop trying again. Drafting someone for a 40 time is beyond stupid

It's not just a 40 though, he's an athletic freak for his size. To put this in perspective, his broad jump matched Jaquan Brisker at 340 pounds. I just think it'd be dumb to not take him. Can't go with safe picks all the time.

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Was thinking about how bad could the Eagles (Howie!) screw up the 3 picks in the first rd, and...

 

Which was the worse 1st rd pick in past 30+ years? 

I believe these are the top two (Below) and are neck and neck. But there are other close honorable mentions: (Bernard Williams, Freddie Mitchell, Lester Homes, Loenard Renfro, Mike Mamula, J McDougal, Marcus Smith, Jalen Reagor)

 Jon Harris DE 1997 Pick #25   6'7"  Pass rushing end

2 year career

24 games played, 8 games started - 2 sacks- 37 tackles

 

or

 

Danny Watkins OG 2011 Pick #23  26 Year old Fireman

2 year career

24 games 6 games starting

I mean Marcus Smith barely played from what I remember.   Guy could never see the field.   He'd get my vote. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That unproven mahomes… 

I am sure he will be better after 58 playoff starts.

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

In the playoffs, top QBs are often shut down, see Mahomes in the SB and the playoffs last year.

Teams win or lose games, often top passing games are built around a couple elite receivers, and when good defenses take them away, those offenses flounder.

It's all about the offense as a whole, and how it can adjust to defenses, yes, Hurts has to be better, but he doesn't have to be elite, just able to take advantage of adjustments defenses make.

That's why I focus on offensive play, not QB play, a good HC/OC plays to the strengths of his team and finds ways to hide weaknesses.

If I'm Siri, I'm not asking Hurts to run a high powered passing offense, I'm working on having him take advantage of defenses when they try to shut down a top running game, to use the threat of him running to force teams to utilize a spy and make it easier to pass, and so on. So I build around the running game, work on an improved screen game, use the RPO and bootlegs to keep the defense from keying on the run, and take advantage if a team starts to cheat their safeties toward the LOS with big plays off play action.

Will it work? Watch the games. What matters is whether the offense can move the ball consistently, and whether Hurts can QB the offense to a high rate of red zone success.

1st- Mahommes? Seriously? LOL 

2nd - When Run first Qb's start winning the majority of SB's (i believe to date not one has ever won one) thats when I will be on board with going in that direction. 

Till that time happens give me a QB which can win from the pocket using his skill/knowledge, and ability to THROW the ball around,  if he can run on top of that GREAT. Otherwise. 

I'll pass.  Hurts has not shown even a flash of having the ability to win from the pocket. In fact it is his biggest weakness. After his second season, and when he needs to play from the pocket, he is either doing circles or bailing from clean pockets when WR's ARE WIDE OPEN. That is not something I think he can learn at this point. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That unproven mahomes… 

Basically he is still a rookie

7 minutes ago, bitbased said:

It's not just a 40 though, he's an athletic freak for his size. To put this in perspective, his broad jump matched Jaquan Brisker at 340 pounds. I just think it'd be dumb to not take him. Can't go with safe picks all the time.

If he is avail when we pick, we have to take him. 

9 minutes ago, bitbased said:

It's not just a 40 though, he's an athletic freak for his size. To put this in perspective, his broad jump matched Jaquan Brisker at 340 pounds. I just think it'd be dumb to not take him. Can't go with safe the wrong picks all the time.

FYP

31 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Gotta love the April Fools joke crowd.  At least make it believable.  And the dumb@ss even put April fools in the meme.

 

 

52 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Cossell likes Jalen Tolbert better than London. Pretty interesting... 

He isn’t a fan of WR’s that can’t regularly get separation, and he’s watched as much film as anyone but, I haven’t heard what if any responsibility falls on USC’s typically weak armed QB, Slovis.  I’m almost 50 and Slovis might out throw me by 3-4 MPH, maybe. 

42 minutes ago, blindside said:

I’m totally out on Jordan Davis and Derek Stingley. Reports about lack of effort really scare me. I read people were "proud” of Davis for getting ready for the combine. But this a multi-million dollar job interview. I’m just worried that after he gets the job, he’ll stop trying again. Drafting someone for a 40 time is beyond stupid

Hopefully he doesn’t fall to TB, Bowles would line him up next to Vita Vea, and that would be just awful for everyone. 

35 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Gotta love the April Fools joke crowd.  At least make it believable.  And the dumb@ss even put April fools in the meme.

 

41 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Gotta love the April Fools joke crowd.  At least make it believable.  And the dumb@ss even put April fools in the meme.

 

 

 I think it was Mikey Miss that did the Aluminum baseball bat being allowed in the MLB back in the late 90’s early 2000’s.  It was a good one.   
 If it was allowed this season Mr Downunder, may ask how it would affect your draft on Sunday?   Just curious.    
 

Btw, I’m hearing DeGrom looks great!!