"Hurts can still improve. I’m willing to wait and see.”

but..

”Non or these college QBs coming out in the draft will likely be as good as Hurts.”

Silly geese. 

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Gil Brandt said "hold my beer”

 

I'm guessing they force a retire. That's just foul

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

All the playoff teams were front loaded in the schedule, new HC, new scheme, rookie WR, shuffled OL (Lane was out a few games).

So that's kind of a meaningless stat. Sirianni was experimenting at the beginning of the season, trying to figure out how to use Hurts, what his players could do, etc.

Eagles were 10th in weighted DVOA on offense, which both accounts for strength of opponent and improvement over the season. That ain't bad.

I'll let all the "experts" around here (what NFL team do you advise?) pontificate, I'll wait until September and see how this offense looks.

I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Siriannia and Hurts, and see what they do, but I do think Howie has to give them more weapons, not necessarily elite players, but solid depth that will allow them to do more things (like a young power back and a possession WR and/or H-back)

Meaningless... until faced with the same problem when the playoffs came, and we saw no growth.  

44 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

he edited it. people are way over-reacting to it.

It's accurate to say but it's just disrespectful and didn't need to be added. He deserves the criticism

26 minutes ago, austinfan said:

All the playoff teams were front loaded in the schedule, new HC, new scheme, rookie WR, shuffled OL (Lane was out a few games).

So that's kind of a meaningless stat. Sirianni was experimenting at the beginning of the season, trying to figure out how to use Hurts, what his players could do, etc.

Eagles were 10th in weighted DVOA on offense, which both accounts for strength of opponent and improvement over the season. That ain't bad.

I'll let all the "experts" around here (what NFL team do you advise?) pontificate, I'll wait until September and see how this offense looks.

I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Siriannia and Hurts, and see what they do, but I do think Howie has to give them more weapons, not necessarily elite players, but solid depth that will allow them to do more things (like a young power back and a possession WR and/or H-back)

Yes they are all meaningless stats because it hurts your argument. Any time that happens you dismiss it. So not shocking. Most of the time, i stopped paying attention to what you say cause most of the time people bring up stats and facts to you and you dismiss it cause it goes against what you believe. instead of being like, that’s a good argument and has some validity to it. but here’s another good counter to it. Instead you just dismiss it because you don’t wanna hear it 

To your second point, what team do you advise for? Hmmm funny how you say that yet you don’t either but act like you do. Irony in that comment is you come on here routinely acting like you are an "expert” on everything on this blog. Maybe look in the mirror 

I'll wait until September to make any judgment unlike you internet fools who don't know anything or advise any NFL teams.

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Nice deflection on some narrative you want to run with. The offense got better as the season went along similarly to the defense when they began playing inferior opponents. That’s my point.  Yes the defense sucks. The offense wasn’t much better vs playoff teams than the defense. really challenging concept that the defense and the offense against playoff teams both sucked and had the majority of their success against inferior opponents (yes the eagles offense was good against the chiefs meanwhile so was the eagles defense against the niners as the eagles offense continued to shoot themselves in the foot and be inept most of the game. Each had moments against playoff teams but as a whole weren’t very good). 

So once again apparently 19ppg (with a bunch of garbage time points) in those 6 games against playoff teams is now good offense and it was only the defense in those games…. 

 

What?  Your proclamation is detached from reality.  From the first game until the last, when the defense played a top 12-15 QB they couldn't stop them from completing 80% of their passes.  When they played lesser QBs they played well.  This was 100% of the case throughout the season in every instance.

 

That isn't what happened with the offense.  Once they got passed the early season phase of trying to constantly pass the ball and only run with the QB in the first half of games and found their identity they started to play well on offense.  Jalen had some good games against some good defenses.  He also had a bad game against a bad Giants defense.  

 

The bulk of the blame for that 49ers game was Nick's goal line play calling at the end of the first half.  I think that was easily the low point of the season for him as a play caller.  No called running plays right up the middle and the braindead Philly Philly call on 4th to try to appease the fans in the stands.  That and the defense failing to stop the 49ers and get the offense the ball back when it was a 1 score game with over 4 minutes left.  

Embiid 40 and 20…

give that man his mvp

21 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Some of you people are just so over the top dramatic.  "god awful" in every other game except 4 games.  This blog is like a written version of sports talk radio callers.  

His first game against the Giants is one of the worst games I’ve ever watched a QB play. That is until the Bucs playoff game where he didn’t belong on the field. 

What pisses me off most about Hurts isn’t that he stinks. I actually think Minshew probably stinks too.  But at least Minshew can go through 1 progression. He can locate open receivers pre snap every once in awhile. Cue the dolts that are convinced Hurts doesn’t deter the development of our wide receivers.  That opinion absolutely blows my mind. 

44 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What?  Your proclamation is detached from reality.  From the first game until the last, when the defense played a top 12-15 QB they couldn't stop them from completing 80% of their passes.  When they played lesser QBs they played well.  This was 100% of the case throughout the season in every instance.

 

That isn't what happened with the offense.  Once they got passed the early season phase of trying to constantly pass the ball and only run with the QB in the first half of games and found their identity they started to play well on offense.  Jalen had some good games against some good defenses.  He also had a bad game against a bad Giants defense.  

 

The bulk of the blame for that 49ers game was Nick's goal line play calling at the end of the first half.  I think that was easily the low point of the season for him as a play caller.  No called running plays right up the middle and the braindead Philly Philly call on 4th to try to appease the fans in the stands.  That and the defense failing to stop the 49ers and get the offense the ball back when it was a 1 score game with over 4 minutes left.  

Where did i say the defense was good against top 12-15 QBs? Please show me where i said that? Interesting because you’re not gonna find that. Furthermore did I not say when they played inferior opponent the defense tended to look better (which was as the season went along they faced inferior offenses) and against playoff teams suck? Omg I did. the amazing thing about this is, if you read what i wrote i said the defense and offense both sucked against better competition which is true. Again 19 points against playoff teams is NOT good. The truth could be the defense and offense weren’t good against playoff teams. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. It can be BOTH  

Wanna talk detached from reality. The same issues eagles defense had early against playoff teams reappeared in the playoffs. Which you’ll go after and point out. Which i have said as well (yet you somehow you managed to make it like i didn’t say that when i have). But ignore the same major issues the offense had early in the season against playoff teams (which you make excuses for) reappeared in that playoff game and you’ll dismiss it with a deflection to the defense 

The defense gave up 17 points in that niners game. Make any excuse you want, but holding that offense to 17 points is a win for that eagles defense. It’s a win for almost any defense in the league.  If you went into that 49ers game, and were told the defense holds them to 17 points you’d have felt really good about winning that game. Meanwhile offense scored 11 due to play calling, ineptitude of guys on offense and dumb penalties. Again offensive ineptitude. 

Anyway tire off this discussion cause it’s pointless until we see what he does next year anyway. However I’m not going to use every excuse like people did with wentz and the eagles offense but now with the eagles offense and hurts. So instead of repeating history of excuses from a previous experience, I don’t care what excuse everyone wants to make. I’ve said in the past his ceiling if he reaches it is a top 15 QB (ask ace nova as i said that exactly to him last year). Does he reach that? Who knows. However i don’t see that being good enough to win you a SB and likely get stuck in a purgatory.  

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Embiid 40 and 20…

give that man his mvp

I unfortunately turned on national media yesterday and it seems like a unanimous decision that the MVP will go to Jokic no matter what Embiid does. Absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. 

3 minutes ago, hputenis said:

His first game against the Giants is one of the worst games I’ve ever watched a QB play. That is until the Bucs playoff game where he didn’t belong on the field. 

What pisses me off most about Hurts isn’t that he stinks. I actually think Minshew probably stinks too.  But at least Minshew can go through 1 progression. He can locate open receivers pre snap every once in awhile. Cue the dolts that are convinced Hurts doesn’t deter the development of our wide receivers.  That opinion absolutely blows my mind. 

He smells and doesn’t play well?

5 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

He smells and doesn’t play well?

 

33 minutes ago, hputenis said:

His first game against the Giants is one of the worst games I’ve ever watched a QB play. That is until the Bucs playoff game where he didn’t belong on the field. 

What pisses me off most about Hurts isn’t that he stinks. I actually think Minshew probably stinks too.  But at least Minshew can go through 1 progression. He can locate open receivers pre snap every once in awhile. Cue the dolts that are convinced Hurts doesn’t deter the development of our wide receivers.  That opinion absolutely blows my mind. 

My problem is  we will make every excuse for the Eagles offense not playing well against playoff  teams. But the Eagles defense we will just say they suck and rag on them without hesitation and blame them as the only culprit. while excusing the same issues that occurred on offense vs. playoff teams early season then re-emerged in a playoff game 

honestly this is very similar to what everyone did with making excuses up for Carson Wentz and the offense. It could just be the defense sucks against playoff teams and the offense wasn’t very good against playoff teams either. Both of those things can be true. 

Gill is a senile old man 

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Gill is a senile old man 

That was honestly painful to listen to. He had to be a little drunk??!  

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Gill is a senile old man 

Actually sad to agree with this. They had him on Sirius for an hour a couple weeks back. He couldn’t understand some of the questions and some of his answer didn’t even pertain to the question and if they were it wasn’t very coherent. To the point where the host began speaking for him. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I wish he were as consistent as Hamels.  He's not.  He's a much poorer version of Hamels.

I wanted to say he was Lee 2.0 at first, but I know that will spark some flames.  I personally thought Lee was super inconsistent.  I settled with the Hamels comp because he's not an overpowering pitcher type.  He's a spots guy.

If RTK or afan weren't here the blog would probably only be 500 pages right now

4 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I wanted to say he was Lee 2.0 at first, but I know that will spark some flames.  I personally thought Lee was super inconsistent.  I settled with the Hamels comp because he's not an overpowering pitcher type.  He's a spots guy.

Agreed.  Lee was much more inconsistent than Hamels.  Let's say Nola is inconsistent like Lee, but with Hamels' style.  Although, Lee did seem to have streaks of amazing domination at times.  2009... he was virtually unhittable at times.  When he came back in 2011, he also had some stretches that were just ridiculous.

2 hours ago, blindside said:

"Hurts can still improve. I’m willing to wait and see.”

but..

”Non or these college QBs coming out in the draft will likely be as good as Hurts.”

Silly geese. 

Two completely different statements neither reliant on the other.  I suspect that this year’s QB crop may show the latter to be true.  That doesn’t elevate Hurts, rather that demonstrates how poor this year’s QB camp is likely to be.  I strongly believe that if Howie selects a QB either Day 1 or Day 2, that my reaction will be similar to when he selected Hurts.  After the initial reaction though, we live with the pick and hope for the best. 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Where did i say the defense was good against top 12-15 QBs? Please show me where i said that? Interesting because you’re not gonna find that. Furthermore did I not say when they played inferior opponent the defense tended to look better (which was as the season went along they faced inferior offenses) and against playoff teams suck? Omg I did. the amazing thing about this is, if you read what i wrote i said the defense and offense both sucked against better competition which is true. Again 19 points against playoff teams is NOT good. The truth could be the defense and offense weren’t good against playoff teams. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. It can be BOTH  

Wanna talk detached from reality. The same issues eagles defense had early against playoff teams reappeared in the playoffs. Which you’ll go after and point out. Which i have said as well (yet you somehow you managed to make it like i didn’t say that when i have). But ignore the same major issues the offense had early in the season against playoff teams (which you make excuses for) reappeared in that playoff game and you’ll dismiss it with a deflection to the defense 

The defense gave up 17 points in that niners game. Make any excuse you want, but holding that offense to 17 points is a win for that eagles defense. It’s a win for almost any defense in the league.  If you went into that 49ers game, and were told the defense holds them to 17 points you’d have felt really good about winning that game. Meanwhile offense scored 11 due to play calling, ineptitude of guys on offense and dumb penalties. Again offensive ineptitude. 

Anyway tire off this discussion cause it’s pointless until we see what he does next year anyway. However I’m not going to use every excuse like people did with wentz and the eagles offense but now with the eagles offense and hurts. So instead of repeating history of excuses from a previous experience, I don’t care what excuse everyone wants to make. I’ve said in the past his ceiling if he reaches it is a top 15 QB (ask ace nova as i said that exactly to him last year). Does he reach that? Who knows. However i don’t see that being good enough to win you a SB and likely get stuck in a purgatory.  

 

Where did I claim that you said the defense was good against top 12-15 QBs? You said that the defense performed good against bad offenses and against good defenses and the offense did the same thing.  That just isn't true for the offense. 

Gotta love the "well the defense sucks" argument as a way to defend Hurts. Good grief. If Hurts was putting up Herbert numbers and still coming up short because of his defense, we would all be on board. The 30% past a single yard against the Bucs really shows how bad the defense was.

D'oh.