14 minutes ago, RLC said:

The likelihood Hurts plays the same as last year is low. He'll get better or worse. Either way, that will tell us what to do.

Disagree. Hurts is very Tyrod Taylor-like. He'll give you a floor that won't be completely embarrassing while having a ceiling that's not very high.

Birds with Friends had a Jordan Davis debate today:

Bo is out on Davis. Concerned about his sack numbers as a 4 year player. Compared him to Dontari Poe.

Berman is high on him.

Sheil is kind of in the middle, but leans more in favor of Davis.

5 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

If Howie was going to trade up for a QB this year, he wouldn't have made the trade with the Saints.  He had all the ammo he needed to do that when we had the three 1st's.  Why worry about accumulating future picks at that point? 

If the seemingly impossible happens and Hurts becomes a steady, overall better quarterback this team is primed to take a big leap forward with all the draft capital we have.  That's worth giving Hurts one more crack at it.  Otherwise we can get his replacement with a better overall prospect and still have some ammo left to build. 

I also get the feeling Howie wouldn’t "settle” for a QB prospect if he can help it. We had no idea Wentz was heading into the disaster season he was, Hurts was a luxury pick.

So if he wanted a QB this year, it’d be as you say: he keeps all 3 1sts at the off chance someone else covets them so he can move even higher. The idea of just waiting for a guy to Fall to us at 15 and then Saying, "well I guess this guy is our franchise QB”, is the least Roseman thing to happen. (Add in the fact we very likely gave NO the opportunity to take our QB if we wanted one).

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Totally with you. Dude couldn't get consistent separation from PAC12 corners.

Barrett Brooks had us taking him at 15 in the NBC Sports Philly ''expert mock.'' London was the first receiver off the board. Wilson, Olave, and Williams all went in the 20's and Williams didn't go until 30. Brooks's reasoning behind this pick. The Eagles need a ''big WR.''

I have heard this argument a lot this offseason from fans and so called experts, and it is pure stupidity. This exact thinking is why the Eagles ended up with Jalen Reagor. They were so obsessed with adding a ''speed' WR'' that they overthought things and didn't just take the best WR at that spot. Not only that, nobody seemed to care about the Eagles not having a ''big WR'' when they had Maclin  at 6'0 200lbs and Jackson at 5'10 175 lbs. That worked out ok, didn't it. 

They just need a good WR, not a big WR.

Thank u. Still the best wr duo we've had period. 

4 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

If Howie was going to trade up for a QB this year, he wouldn't have made the trade with the Saints.  He had all the ammo he needed to do that when we had the three 1st's.  Why worry about accumulating future picks at that point? 

If the seemingly impossible happens and Hurts becomes a steady, overall better quarterback this team is primed to take a big leap forward with all the draft capital we have.  That's worth giving Hurts one more crack at it.  Otherwise we can get his replacement with a better overall prospect and still have some ammo left to build. 

100% this.  Is there a guy they'd take at 15? Maybe, probably not but clearly nobody they think is worth 2 1`'s.

16 minutes ago, IINorthStar said:

Going to save this. This team was very fortunate to be at 9 wins last year. That's the bright side of being in the NFCE. What kinda bets are u accepting for the 8 wins? 

I’ll do an avatar bet. 

they might have been fortunate but their schedule is set up to be just as fortunate. I actually think their schedule is set up to potentially be easier this year. The afc south isn’t nearly as good as the afc west wast last year. Frankly i think Matt Ryan might just be cooked. Houston and jags are significantly worse than chargers, broncos and raiders. The nfc east i actually think is worse cause i don’t see Dallas as 12 win team after this offseason but Washington should be better a QB but also lost their best olineman. Nfc north was by record last year the worst division in football. GB who was great last year saved them. Saints are worse than last year at HC and roster outside of QB. Steelers with trubisky is a winnable game.

Vegas has the eagles at 7.5. I think they are gonna finish 7 to 10 wins. I don’t see us falling back to 5-6 wins unless hurts just completely regresses. 

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Again...any QB that wasn't traded up for can't be considered a franchise QB?

No. Shows the team didn‘t really believe in him. If he becomes a franchise they got lucky.

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

It's called evaluating the needs of the teams in front of you. I'll say again, I rate Corral and Ridder equally and would be happy with either at 18. One of them will definitely be there.

Even if the NFL was to ban trading that would be a dangerous game. With trades it‘s malpractice.

5 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

If Howie was going to trade up for a QB this year, he wouldn't have made the trade with the Saints.  He had all the ammo he needed to do that when we had the three 1st's.  Why worry about accumulating future picks at that point? 

If the seemingly impossible happens and Hurts becomes a steady, overall better quarterback this team is primed to take a big leap forward with all the draft capital we have.  That's worth giving Hurts one more crack at it.  Otherwise we can get his replacement with a better overall prospect and still have some ammo left to build. 

I can see a small trade up to 10-13ish, not a massive one to top 5. And that's for any position not QB specific. 

There's also a chance Howie has graded Corral or someone else as great value at 15, and did the Saints trade as a hedge if someone trades up for him. Not exactly a strategy I agree with, but I can see the thought process. 

45 minutes ago, Infam said:

I find it hard to believe anyone thinks we take a QB early this year. Maybe we draft someone day three but no way we go for one in the first.

 

Yeah I it's obvious that if they had any interest in drafting one of these QBs in the first this year they wouldn't have traded one of their firsts for a first next year and instead would have used it to move up in this draft to target whoever this hypothetical QB is.  The delusion is in hyper drive in this echo chamber. 

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The delusion is in hyper drive in this echo chamber

Funny to hear you say that

New guy in the blog is treading into clown territory fast 

54 minutes ago, KDUB1510 said:

 

Isn’t Greenberg a Jets fan?

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can see a small trade up to 10-13ish, not a massive one to top 5. And that's for any position not QB specific. 

There's also a chance Howie has graded Corral or someone else as great value at 15, and did the Saints trade as a hedge if someone trades up for him. Not exactly a strategy I agree with, but I can see the thought process. 

Yeah, for a trade like what they did to get Devonta, Howie can do that no problem. 

If Corral's that great a value, and Howie thinks he can be a legit franchise QB, he's not the only GM that's figured that out.  And with three first rounders sitting in the palm of his hand, he'd be truly stupid to trade them for future picks if he wanted to get Corral.  Truly, truly stupid if he believes Corral is that good.

Houston needs a QB and picks twice before us.  Detroit could use a QB.  The Giants aren't sold on Jones.  Seattle needs a QB.  Carolina needs a QB.  Atlanta needs a QB.  That's six teams and seven picks in front of us and we're talking about Corral/Willis/Pickett.  Not to mention, the Saints and Steelers desperately need someone.  And then there's a dark horse like the Titans because Tannehill is older and hasn't won them anything. 

Howie would HAVE to jump four of those main teams to get Corral, which means the highest he'd have to go to safely assure he gets him would be #4 overall from the Jets. 

He would be taking a wildly stupid gamble to trade for future picks, while at the same time making sure he's got enough ammo to make a move like that.  It makes no sense, even for a guy that's willing to pay players in dead cap that aren't on the team anymore.  Franchise QB's aren't something you F around with like that.  Even for Howie.

10 minutes ago, Infam said:

No. Shows the team didn‘t really believe in him. If he becomes a franchise they got lucky.

Even if the NFL was to ban trading that would be a dangerous game. With trades it‘s malpractice.

So you think 4 QB's go in the top 14? Pickett, Willis, Corral and Ridder? Look, I'm not saying I think QB is LIKELY for them...I'm saying personally that I rate Corral and Ridder equally and would be happy with either one in the first. You are in the group that are ok with mediocrity at QB for 2022 and addressing it in 2023, and that's fine.  I however have two guys I like this year and based on the teams needs in front of them (and even taking teams behind them that could trade ahead into account), I am 100% certain that one or both are there on the board at our pick. Will I be crestfallen and throwing things at my TV if they draft say, Jordan Davis and Andrew Booth? Of course not. But if they take George Karlaftis and Drake London, yeah I'm not gonna be happy.

https://theathletic.com/3249950/2022/04/15/nfl-draft-analysis-defense/

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah I it's obvious that if they had any interest in drafting one of these QBs in the first this year they wouldn't have traded one of their firsts for a first next year and instead would have used it to move up in this draft to target whoever this hypothetical QB is.  The delusion is in hyper drive in this echo chamber. 

 

3 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Funny to hear you say that

 

But he won't take my bet and have me on suspension for a month.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

https://theathletic.com/3249950/2022/04/15/nfl-draft-analysis-defense/

Any highlights/call-outs since it's gated?

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

So you think 4 QB's go in the top 14? Pickett, Willis, Corral and Ridder? Look, I'm not saying I think QB is LIKELY for them...I'm saying personally that I rate Corral and Ridder equally and would be happy with either one in the first. You are in the group that are ok with mediocrity at QB for 2022 and addressing it in 2023, and that's fine.  I however have two guys I like this year and based on the teams needs in front of them (and even taking teams behind them that could trade ahead into account), I am 100% certain that one or both are there on the board at our pick. Will I be crestfallen and throwing things at my TV if they draft say, Jordan Davis and Andrew Booth? Of course not. But if they take George Karlaftis and Drake London, yeah I'm not gonna be happy.

Tend to think Ridder winds up going first round but i think it’s closer to what the ravens did when they moved up to 32 to get lamar so they could get the fifth year option by selecting him in the first. I’d be pretty surprised if Ridder goes top 20 of this draft. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

https://theathletic.com/3249950/2022/04/15/nfl-draft-analysis-defense/

Makes no sense to post a link to an article on a site you need a subscription for.

4 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Yeah, for a trade like what they did to get Devonta, Howie can do that no problem. 

If Corral's that great a value, and Howie thinks he can be a legit franchise QB, he's not the only GM that's figured that out.  And with three first rounders sitting in the palm of his hand, he'd be truly stupid to trade them for future picks if he wanted to get Corral.  Truly, truly stupid if he believes Corral is that good.

Houston needs a QB and picks twice before us.  Detroit could use a QB.  The Giants aren't sold on Jones.  Seattle needs a QB.  Carolina needs a QB.  Atlanta needs a QB.  That's six teams and seven picks in front of us and we're talking about Corral/Willis/Pickett.  Not to mention, the Saints and Steelers desperately need someone.  And then there's a dark horse like the Titans because Tannehill is older and hasn't won them anything. 

Howie would HAVE to jump four of those main teams to get Corral, which means the furthest he could go to safely assure he gets him would be #4 overall from the Jets. 

He would be taking a wildly stupid gamble to trade for future picks, while at the same time making sure he's got enough ammo to make a move like that.  It makes no sense, even for a guy that's willing to pay players in dead cap that aren't on the team anymore. 

Houston seems quite happy with Mills. They have holes EVERYWHERE. I doubt Detroit takes a QB at 2, but they're a trade up candidate with 32/34. Giants aren't going QB. Seattle yes. Carolina yes. Atlanta like the Texans have holes everywhere, they're a maybe. I certainly get your logic, and Corral is not our most likely R1 scenario by any stretch. I'm saying if we did get him, I definitely would not be unhappy.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tend to think Ridder winds up going first round but i think it’s closer to what the ravens did when they moved up to 32 to get lamar so they could get the fifth year option by selecting him in the first. I’d be pretty surprised if Ridder goes top 20 of this draft. 

If he's there for the Steelers at 20, I think they'd happily take him. He's been rising.

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

Oh, ok. Just an accessory to murder. Far more palatable.

 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

He wasn't bad last year which is why we picked 19. 

The biggest argument against Hurts isn't that he's bad...it's that he's average/slightly below average which places us in QB purgatory.

Which is the WORST place to be.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

Better make sure those are facts, don't want to ruin a guys reputation.