43 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What would worry me about drafting Georgia defenders is the "Miami" effect - the draft class that landed us McDougle saw the Miami D-line get drafted high, but only Wilfork had much of a NFL career. The two problems is being rested and getting lots of one on one matchups against college OL.

A guy coming from a lesser school will play more snaps (info on conditioning, motor) and face more double teams (if you can beat college double teams you're showing more than beating a college OL one on one unless he's a top prospect).

Same way LBs from a loaded defense don't have to beat blocks on a regular basis.

Easy solution to make sure we only get the good players from that team:

37 minutes ago, Utebird said:

True except there was also the Miami effect of lots of Miami players being really good 

I mean the same could be said for Alabama players, every year they are stacked in college and every year lots of Alabama players are drafted and plenty are good.

Just pick the right ones.

Georgia has a lot of talented players on both sides of the ball, try and pick the ones that best fit what one asks them to do.

He is just getting in front of Howie picking the wrong guy.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He is just getting in front of Howie picking the wrong guy.

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

I don't care what anyone here thinks they see, you're not half as smart as you think you are. For one thing, you don't know the scheme, or most of the opposing CBs, you don't break down game film. What most people here see are highlight films or a few games where "your guy" played well. How fast does a QB process - hard to tell off college film b/c you don't know his progressions, the quality of opponent and quality of his players (where was he supposed to throw the ball, does he have big windows, do his WRs run routes correctly, etc.). And you don't know if a college dumbed down a scheme for a 20-21 year old v a 24 5th year redshirt - i.e., was it a lack of IQ or lack of experience or confidence by the HC?

If it was easy to see a QB's football IQ, then Brady isn't a 6th rd pick - he had plenty of film. If NFL teams consistently screw this up, I have no confidence in people on a message board.

The litmus test is what they do in the NFL, Hurts in his first year starting was in the top 20, as we've seen from numerous 1st rd QBs, that's actually a high hurdle that most 1st rd picks fail to reach. Now can Hurts sustain and build on that season? Stay tuned. But when you start with that threshhold, you don't use a 1st rd pick on a QB who might be a NFL starter, you want a QB with a decent probability of being a top ten QB - which is a much higher standard.

The first half of your post is the exact same point I’ve been trying to make to you for the last two days. 

You don’t draft Jordan Davis because you expect him to be the playmaker in your defense and compile a bunch of sacks, TFL, etc.  You draft him to dominate the interior of the LOS and free up your other defensive players to compile the stats.

To analyze Davis’ worth you’d need to study UGA game film and gauge how much better Dean, Tindall, Cine and the rest were because of Davis’ impact at the LOS.

To what degree does Jordan Davis make Sweat, Edwards, White, etc. more effective players?  That will decide his worth to the Eagles as a prospect.

13 minutes ago, blindside said:

The first half of your post is the exact same point I’ve been trying to make to you for the last two days. 

Yeah that’s cause in his view of the blog is everyone who disagrees or brings up stats/facts that counters him is a wanna be expert. Meanwhile everything he writes in here is apparently the gospel of football and must be taken as such. 

29 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Easy solution to make sure we only get the good players from that team:

I would love it!

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No, some guy who ran and hid after I made a fool out of him.  At least RTK has the conviction to stay around and take his shots.  

No he doesn’t.  He has half the board on ignore.  He put me on ignore at half time of the playoff loss after he ran his mouth about Hurts going to prove us wrong all week leading up to the game.

38 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Easy solution to make sure we only get the good players from that team:

Now do a realistic one where all the players are from the pac12 

18 minutes ago, uncphillyfan said:

I would love it!

Better than most of the drafts @HazletonEagle does 

20 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yes I was. I tried to tell everyone Higgins had underrated speed. Which he did, but his size helped quite a bit at being a deep threat. Higgins timed in the low 4.5s iirc. I believed his top speed was far greater than his 40 time suggested.

Pickens probably is comparable at top speed imo, but he is noticeably more explosive both off the line and timed better on the 40, probably because of that. Hes also noticeably quicker laterally in and out of his breaks.  Higgins was quick enough on in or out breaking routes because DBs gave him a huge cushion (they respected his speed that nobody believed he had) and he could test them with a vertical stem and snap it off quickly enough where they couldnt close in time. But theres a different level of quickness Pickens has when you can actually beat a guy who is right on you trying to mirror you. When that big cushion isnt there at the line, and you create that space with your quickness. 

Both really good run blocking. I remember a few plays where Higgins blocked guys and sustained it and drove them way down the field. One in particular where he literally blocked a guy right out through the end zone. Pickens on the other hand, will plant guys. The Daxton Hill play has been shown in here, but that wasnt the only time he did it.

 Pickens is not as tall of course, but quicker and more explosive. Maybe more physical even if its more a mentality than actual physical strength. He has a mean streak which is awesome.

I like him especially if he is there in the 2nd even if we trade up a bit. Rather not draft a WR in the first, part of his appeal to me. A 1st round talent probably available in the 2nd

Why didn’t he tag his lil buddy whose following him around California? 

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

Why not both?

Take Davis in the 1st Winfrey in the 2nd won't have to worry about DT for the next 5 years.

Too much opportunity cost

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Why didn’t he tag his lil buddy whose following him around California? 

Hurts shouldn’t be surprised that Brady is "cheating” on him 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

You don’t draft Jordan Davis because you expect him to be the playmaker in your defense and compile a bunch of sacks, TFL, etc.  You draft him to dominate the interior of the LOS and free up your other defensive players to compile the stats.

To analyze Davis’ worth you’d need to study UGA game film and gauge how much better Dean, Tindall, Cine and the rest were because of Davis’ impact at the LOS.

To what degree does Jordan Davis make Sweat, Edwards, White, etc. more effective players?  That will decide his worth to the Eagles as a prospect.

I am not saying this as a direct comparison for talent, etc but seeing what someone like Vita Vea does by a being nigh on unmovable at DT, and how it helps the Tampa D do multiple things  around himm vs when he isn't there, you can make a case for drafting Davis high.  The stat sheet is the stat sheet, but watching tape can tell you the whole story.

1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

I am not saying this as a direct comparison for talent, etc but seeing what someone like Vita Vea does by a being nigh on unmovable at DT, and how it helps the Tampa D do multiple things  around himm vs when he isn't there, you can make a case for drafting Davis high.  The stat sheet is the stat sheet, but watching tape can tell you the whole story.

Vea can actually pressure the QB , Davis can’t at this point 

Gordon and McCreary my top 2 CBs , along with

Jack Jones

Mccollum 

Mathis

Lucas

Durant 

Over 722 coverage snaps, Washington CB Kyler Gordon didn't allow a single touchdown

20 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Gordon and McCreary my top 2 CBs , along with

Jack Jones

Mccollum 

Mathis

Lucas

Durant 

Over 722 coverage snaps, Washington CB Kyler Gordon didn't allow a single touchdown

McCreary has TRex arms. 

Gordon in RD2 would be ideal.

The issue with the Georgia DT’s is the lack of upside for the position.  The Eagles consistently, richly, invest in major resources in the DT position.  The result is that the position is never a weakness and the middle of our line is never soft.  That may have been more mission critical in 2000 than it is today.  In a passing league, a DT who holds his ground but does not blow up an offense may not be worth a first round pick or a mega contract.  We’ve already got a mega contract in Cox and Hargrave.  Milton Williams…not sure if he’s a DT or DE at this point, but he’s very promising.

Do we need a first round DT in that mix?  That’s pretty much a guarantee for a single in the draft when we likely need more than that.

17 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

On that rare occasion Eskin is actually correct,

 

 

Can’t even get his grammar correct on a tweet. 

14 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

McCreary has TRex arms. 

I know , but it doesn’t hurt him  , he is so smooth , and he has some of the tightest coverage in the draft  . Some team will get a rd 2 steal . Probably end up in Tampa , they love Auburn CBs , both starters Davis and Dean are from Auburn 

3 hours ago, bitbased said:

So Wyatt played 42% of the snaps vs 38% for Davis to the tune of roughly 3 less passing downs per game. I feel like this is being blown way out of proportion. If it was something like 50+% vs 38% I could see it being more of a worry.

Edit: For reference, he played 54% in the championship game which is what should be of more note.

Neither 38% or 42% is good enough to draft mid first round. 

38 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

Neither 38% or 42% is good enough to draft mid first round. 

That makes an assumption 38-42% was all they were capable of playing due to physical conditioning, which likely wasn’t the case.  It was likely a product of personnel packages and overall defensive system.  Last season Cox played 66% of snaps, Hargrave 65%, Milton Williams was 40% as a rookie and Ridgeway was 33% as a depth DT.  
 

To your point, the Eagles will have to determine if Davis is capable of playing 60% of the defensive snaps.  A player of his size will likely have to be managed to stay at the proper playing weight, and the strength and conditioning coaches will be earning their money by making sure Davis stays at the proper weight through the year.  

As someone mentioned earlier, with Davis it’s not about his individual impact. It’s about how helps others around him affect the game. He can stand up double teams, he can push the center into his own backfield to give teammates clean shots at the ball carrier. 

I personally don’t like spending a 1 on that kind of player, but his athleticism suggests there’s some potential to become a decent pass rusher. 

Since we play a 5-2 and possibly want to play mostly with two deep safeties, you need impact run defenders up the middle.