6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I already told you that Minshew averaged more attempts than Hurts under the new "offense" style NS was FORCED to use

side note, you keep bringing up the lack of attempts in the Jets game for Minshew

But you fail to mention he completed 20 passes. Hurts has 12 games with 20 or less competitions. Seems like your punching Minshew for being efficient and connecting on his passes. 

Side-Side- Note.   Eagles only had 1 game with 80% completion or better. Care to guess which game?

 

The Chargers game?

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Talk about leaping before looking.  The bill to eliminate Disney’s self governance in FL, after examination, is that the principal benefit Disney gets is performing its own services, like building permitting.  If that falls to the local government, the local tax base would have to pay for that service.  If they dissolve Disney’s district, the $1 billion in bond service goes to the local government at a cost of about $1,000 per taxpayer.  That’s just dumb for a retaliatory bill.

Reminds me of the Superfund bill, passed as a result of Love Canal.  The whole process was poorly thought out from "polluter pays” (ask the Gettysburg pizza parlor about that) with retro strict liability to how clean is clean not being addressed to due diligence favoring building on green properties over brownfields. Quickly passed, not well thought out. 

Happens in both sides. 

Let's raise our own taxes to own the libs 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@pallidrone, you know how you are losing horribly, bacarty is repeatedly owning you.

So discussing things on a discussion board means there has to be a winner and a loser? All I am doing is expressing my opinion which is different than some of you. I don't necessarily believe that Hurts is the answer at QB, but I also don't think that he is as horrible as so many people make him out to be.

So with that said, Good for bacarty then?

 just saying comparing hurts to mac jones and Murray who are QBs i wouldn’t want either as my long term starter isn’t a very good argument. I dont think any of those are good enough or are guys I’d want to invest in long term. Murray has shown that each year after the first half his play drops off when he gets more banged up due to being undersized and kingsbury running him into the ground. They all can be solid starters can win regular season games with but i think all get you stuck in a purgatory unless you can build a great team around them. Which isn’t easy to build that type of roster. it’s why eagles wanted someone like wentz was in 2017  (end of 2019) where if need be he could carry you. Just so happens the team in 2017 was also great around him. But it’s why the other ten years surrounding that 2017 we haven’t seen another great roster. Because it’s hard to do. It’s why wouldn’t trade for murray, wouldn’t have drafted jones and why the eagles tried to get Wilson, watson. 

6 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

The Chargers game?

Jets game with Minshew at QB

25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Norris is pretty plugged in. He supposedly had the most accurate mock of all-time last year (although I’m not sure how that was actually determined). 

I refuse to put any belief in to someone who's rationale is replacing Brandon Brooks.  We already did that.  He's not been paying attention. 

1 hour ago, NITEF4LL said:

Tell me you don't like black QBs without telling me you don't like them.

That you draw that conclusion with little supporting evidence says more about you than it does them.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I refuse to put any belief in to someone who's rationale is replacing Brandon Brooks.  We already did that.  He's not been paying attention. 

Are you telling me, based on the team building philosophy and allocation of cap dollars, that you would be surprised if Zion Johnson was the pick at 18 ??

I would be severely disappointed, but I would not at all be surprised.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 just saying comparing hurts to mac jones and Murray who are QBs i wouldn’t want either as my long term starter isn’t a very good argument. I dont think any of those are good enough are guys I’d want to invest in long term. Murray has shown that each year after the first half his play drops off when he gets more banged up due to being undersized and kingsbury running him into the ground. They all can be solid starters can win regular season games with but i think all get you stuck in a purgatory. It’s why wouldn’t trade for murray, wouldn’t have drafted jones and why the eagles tried to get Wilson, watson. 

None of those Lincoln Riley, OU QBs will ever turn out in the NFL.  They never learn to run a structured offense.  Mac Jones has the best upside of all of them and it probably isn't SB level.

3 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

That you draw that conclusion with little supporting evidence says more about you than it does them.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

no win or lose here. Just shocked that people cant see how BAD Hurts is. I truly believe Hurts is bottom 5 in the league

Whether he's bottom 5 or bottom 15, no one wins a SB with that level of QB play.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 just saying comparing hurts to mac jones and Murray who are QBs i wouldn’t want either as my long term starter isn’t a very good argument. I dont think any of those are good enough are guys I’d want to invest in long term. Murray has shown that each year after the first half his play drops off when he gets more banged up due to being undersized and kingsbury running him into the ground. They all can be solid starters can win regular season games with but i think all get you stuck in a purgatory. It’s why wouldn’t trade for murray, wouldn’t have drafted jones and why the eagles tried to get Wilson, watson. 

I was just showing what other players did in their first-round playoff games as well. Like I said before it is impossible to truly compare players, especially QBs. There are so many factors that go into QB play that it is impossible to really compare one QB to another.

There are only a few top-notch QBs in the league. Wilson and Watson are part of that group. Most teams would go after them if they could land them. That is why the Eagles inquired, and they would have been silly not to.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

no win or lose here. Just shocked that people cant see how BAD Hurts is. I truly believe Hurts is bottom 5 in the league

I don't think he is as bad as a lot of you guys make him out to be. I also don't think he is as good as a lot of those guys on Reddit and the Hurts thread thinks he is. 

He was a project QB coming out of a college that does not produce great NFL QBs. There was always going to be a learning curve for him, it was just a matter of whether he would take to coaching and become a better player. I think the jury is still out on that. 

38 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Norris is pretty plugged in. He supposedly had the most accurate mock of all-time last year (although I’m not sure how that was actually determined). 

I haven't won any accurate mocks of all time awards, but I would bet a ton of money it's not going to take until #19 for a QB to go off the board.  I'll bet him double-or-nothing it won't be Ridder first, and I'll bet him double-or-nothing again Pickett is a first round pick.

When will these guys understand?  It's money, money, money.  The QB prospect being "good enough" is almost beside the point

9 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I don't think he is as bad as a lot of you guys make him out to be. I also don't think he is as good as a lot of those guys on Reddit and the Hurts thread thinks he is. 

He was a project QB coming out of a college that does not produce great NFL QBs. There was always going to be a learning curve for him, it was just a matter of whether he would take to coaching and become a better player. I think the jury is still out on that. 

He could turn out to be another Dak, which wouldn't be too bad.

1 hour ago, pallidrone said:

All I am saying is that going to a running game was because of a lot of other factors, not solely because of Hurts or this preconceived notion that it is because he can't throw.

Were there issues with Hurts passing that led to this? Yes. But it is not all because of his passing, because if it was they would have benched him early and started Flacco, Minshew or even attempted to get another QB under center.

If someone has the time to go through the PCs then they can probably find the quote where Nick said he changed the offense to a run base because of Hurts

@pallidrone, another thing to consider on the offensive philosophy change, and it is another indictment on Hurts.

Weeks 2-7, the running backs never got more than 20 carries in a game, and averaged 11.6 carries per game.  That is why Sirianni changed the offense.  Not only was Hurts struggling as a passer, he was also struggling as a field general and distributor of the football.  Once they saw he could not get the ball into the hands of the playmakers, whether it be as a passer, or making the correct reads in the RPO, he forced the running game by taking away Hurts ability to hold the ball and run it himself.  That is why the rest of the season the offense functioned better as the running backs averaged 29.5 touches per game, and were not hindered by Hurts dominating the ball, whether it be as a runner or a passer.

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36 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Are you telling me, based on the team building philosophy and allocation of cap dollars, that you would be surprised if Zion Johnson was the pick at 18 ??

I would be severely disappointed, but I would not at all be surprised.

Yeah I would be. There is no need there. Not just right now. I realize they could be drafting for 2-3 years in the future. And even then, still no need. So it makes 0 sense. 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah I would be. There is no need there. Not just right now. I realize they could be drafting for 2-3 years in the future. And even then, still no need. So it makes 0 sense. 

We know Kelce is a short timer. The question is Seumalo’s health. 

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@pallidrone, another thing to consider on the offensive philosophy change, and it is another indictment on Hurts.

Weeks 2-7, the running backs never got more than 20 carries in a game, and averaged 11.6 carries per game.  That is why Sirianni changed the offense.  Not only was Hurts struggling as a passer, he was also struggling as a field general and distributor of the football.  Once they saw he could not get the ball into the hands of the playmakers, whether it be as a passer, or making the correct reads in the RPO, he forced the running game by taking away Hurts ability to hold the ball and run it himself.  That is why the rest of the season the offense functioned better as the running backs averaged 29.5 touches per game, and were not hindered by Hurts dominating the ball, whether it be as a runner or a passer.

It could also be on the WRs as well. Reagor was useless, it was Devonta's rookie season and Quez was a 6th-round pick because of his problems with press CBs,  the ability to catch over the middle, and his ball awareness. We don't know if these WRs were running the wrong routes or had problems with certain concepts which made it hard to trust them in the passing game. 

Do not take this as trying to pass off Hurt's issues as well. I am just offering up other things that could have contributed to them moving to a more rush-orientated defense. Not everything is the QBs fault. When it comes to football each part relies on the other.

2 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

It could also be on the WRs as well. Reagor was useless, it was Devonta's rookie season and Quez was a 6th-round pick because of his problems with press CBs,  the ability to catch over the middle, and his ball awareness. We don't know if these WRs were running the wrong routes or had problems with certain concepts which made it hard to trust them in the passing game. 

Do not take this as trying to pass off Hurt's issues as well. I am just offering up other things that could have contributed to them moving to a more rush-orientated defense. Not everything is the QBs fault. When it comes to football each part relies on the other.

There was so many, and I mean so many all 22 breakdowns showing that Hurts was missing wide open receivers, whether it was not pulling the trigger, or bailing a perfect pocket early.  It is who he is, and who he always has been.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We know Kelce is a short timer. The question is Seumalo’s health. 

Yeah. They need a center. Not a guard. And there is no center to take in round 1.

Seumalo's health isnt really a concern because we still have Driscoll. 

They should be looking at mid-late round OGs who will have 1-2 years to develop. Stoutland will have them ready to start by then. He would have them ready to start by like week 6 this year. 

 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

O-line, D-line and bad wide receivers is what the Eagles do. 

when it makes sense. They dont just randomly take 1st round OL unless there is a vacancy. Right now, there is not. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah. They need a center. Not a guard.

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4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah. They need a center. Not a guard. And there is no center to take in round 1.

Seumalo's health isnt really a concern because we still have Driscoll. 

They should be looking at mid-late round OGs who will have 1-2 years to develop. Stoutland will have them ready to start by then. He would have them ready to start by like week 6 this year. 

 

when it makes sense. They dont just randomly take 1st round OL unless there is a vacancy. Right now, there is not. 

There wasn’t a vacancy when they drafted Dickerson. It wasn’t round 1, but it was a premium pick. Dillard was drafted in round 1 without an immediate opening.

But all of this is beside the point. I don’t think we’re taking a first-round OL, but I don’t think we are necessarily solid there moving forward. Seumalo is a wildcard, and Driscoll is always hurt. We might need both a C and RG in 2023.