I think the really downer part of being 15/18 this draft is that unless if the board falls a certain way that benefits us, we get the pick of the somewhat unimpressive litter. The talent of the players you get in the back half of the 1st round are all relatively equal.

CB - Booth, Elam, McDuffie

S - Brisker, Cine, Hill

DE - Ebiketie, Mafe, Karlaftis

DT - Wyatt, Jones

LB - Lloyd, Dean

WR - Pickens, Olave, Burks

To me, unless if you feel strongly about a certain player, all of them kind of mesh together. It really just depends on team needs more at that point.

30 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

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21 minutes ago, bitbased said:

I think the really downer part of being 15/18 this draft is that unless if the board falls a certain way that benefits us, we get the pick of the somewhat unimpressive litter. The talent of the players you get in the back half of the 1st round are all relatively equal.

CB - Booth, Elam, McDuffie

S - Brisker, Cine, Hill

DE - Ebiketie, Mafe, Karlaftis

DT - Wyatt, Jones

LB - Lloyd, Dean

WR - Pickens, Olave, Burks

To me, unless if you feel strongly about a certain player, all of them kind of mesh together. It really just depends on team needs more at that point.

I’d rather pick where they are vs being somewhere around 9 to 12, or even #1 overall. 

Peter King was pretty adamant in his podcast that Howie will look to trade down from 15, looking for another future 1.

If that happens, we'll have upto four 1s, and three 2s to offer over the next 2 years.

If that can't get you the #1 overall 2023 pick from a willing trader, I don't know what will.

Here's another thing most people forget they let Monty Williams go who is the sun's coach now even though they knew he was going to be a head coach. 

 

42 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Everyone gets so fired up about Harden, but remember we traded Ben Simmons.  The guy tried to bow out of the playoffs on the Sixers LAST year with a COVID excuse and successfully bowed out of the playoffs this year on the Nets with a back excuse.  He literally quit on the Nets harder than he ever did on us already.  There is still a chance he never even plays for that team.

It's the blockbuster trade that never was.  Harden was useless to the Nets, Simmons useless to us.  

Harden is modestly useful to us.  Curry and Drummond will be modestly useful to the Nets.  The draft picks are fluff.  Even trade.

It was obvious, last year, that the Sixers were going to be a good, entertaining team that would always definitely fall short of the ultimate goal.  The centerpiece, Embiid, will always be nursing an injury in a playoff run.  Star #2 never materialized despite multiple efforts to obtain one.  2 picks at the top of the draft in Simmons/Fultz and, more recently, the trade for Harden, who turned out to be washed up.  Semi star #3 never materialized either.  Harris underperformed, they dumped Buttler.  That may be where Maxey ultimately settles in, but his consistency isn't there yet.

The bottom line is that they don't have the pieces to win a championship.  The Celtics picked 3rd in 2016 and 2017 and got Brown and Tatum...Sixers picked 1st in 2016 and 2017 and got Simmons and Fultz.  Aside from those outcomes being flipped, no other smaller moves/non-moves/mistakes would have this roster over the top.

 

 Don’t forget Okafor, the Sixers in 3 straight years somehow drafted Kwame Brown, Darko Milicic, and Anthony Bennett.  
 They never replaced Jrue, and Embiid falling into their lap was a gift from the Basketball Gods with the broken foot because w\o that, the Sixers would be the laughingstock of the NBA, still. 
 The only way the Tank could work is every draft pick or trade had to be nearly perfect, because while you are losing, Giannis and the Bucks are getting better.     
 The best chance this team had was a few years ago with Butler, that’s the year Durant tore his Achilles and Klay tore his ACL, but they lost by 2 in game 7 to the F’n Raptors.  
 

 

15 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Peter King was pretty adamant in his podcast that Howie will look to trade down from 15, looking for another future 1.

If that happens, we'll have upto four 1s, and three 2s to offer over the next 2 years.

If that can't get you the #1 overall 2023 pick from a willing trader, I don't know what will.

I think we'll (try to) trade down but I don't think teams are going to offer up a 2023 1st. There isn't going to be a player at our picks that'll warrant that big of move. Only possible situation I can see is the Lions moving from 32 and giving LA's 2023 1st to move up for a QB. That's probably it.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

My thoughts for the 3 most likely picks for the Eagles:

1. Davis.  I don't think the board breaks this way, but I suspect this is their guy.

2. Olave.  Not their top WR, but I think he's the one they'll pick up if they want a WR with the way the board will break.

3. Karlaftis.  See above, but for DE.

I know it's not popular opinion but I think Karlaftis will be the best pro player of the 3.

There will be full blown Tatergeddon if Karlaftis and McDuffie are the picks.  Ultimately, though, they may be the best picks.  

I’d rather have Pickens than Olave honestly.’

And Harden has been dominant, not sure what people are complaining about.

1 hour ago, Cliftoma said:

I know it's not popular opinion but I think Karlaftis will be the best pro player of the 3.

There will be full blown Tatergeddon if Karlaftis and McDuffie are the picks.  Ultimately, though, they may be the best picks.  

I think Karlaftis is a good piece, a really nice power DE. Watched a few games keyed on him. The guy gets a LOT of attention thrown his way. Can’t do that as much in the NFL. Many pundits are comparing him to Kerrigan coming out (not that Weekend at Bernie’s shell of his former self we just had) and I can definitely see it. Relentless motor, relies on power but has a pretty good arm over and a decent spin to be worked on; great play strength, and can definitely set an edge. Other good part….still very young at 21. He may very well be a better pro than college player in the long run. 

Has to be one of the worst 1st rounds ever.

1 hour ago, bitbased said:

I think we'll (try to) trade down but I don't think teams are going to offer up a 2023 1st. There isn't going to be a player at our picks that'll warrant that big of move. Only possible situation I can see is the Lions moving from 32 and giving LA's 2023 1st to move up for a QB. That's probably it.

I think Howie would accept trading back into the 2nd RD if he can secure a 2023 1st.

I very much doubt anyone will give up a first this year and next year to get up #15.

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I liked it better a couple of months ago when the strength of the draft was picks 12-20. Doesn’t feel that way anymore, does it?

Feels like we should get a good player at 15, but there’s a giant cliff before 18. 

We really need teams to panic at QB and take them early or trade up with us to get one. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I liked it better a couple of months ago when the strength of the draft was picks 12-20. Doesn’t feel that way anymore, does it?

Feels like we should get a good player at 15, but there’s a giant cliff before 18. 

We really need teams to panic at QB and take them early or trade up with us to get one. 

Yeah I'm hoping on QB panic helping us out - whether by trade or pushing other players down.

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I liked it better a couple of months ago when the strength of the draft was picks 12-20. Doesn’t feel that way anymore, does it?

Feels like we should get a good player at 15, but there’s a giant cliff before 18. 

We really need teams to panic at QB and take them early or trade up with us to get one. 

The draft felt a lot better for us before Ojabo got injured and Walker wasn't rocketed up the boards. That's for sure.

8 minutes ago, bitbased said:

The draft felt a lot better for us before Ojabo got injured and Walker wasn't rocketed up the boards. That's for sure.

Ojabo’s injuries, the QBs reportedly falling, McDuffie’s arm length, Booth’s injuries and subsequent surgery, Burks’ less than impressive workouts and reports of weight issues at Arkansas, Wyatt being older than we thought, Lloyd being old and with injury concerns, Dean’s fall. 

It just feels like there’s minimal difference between pick 18 and 40. 

5 hours ago, Outlaw said:

I think Karlaftis is a good piece, a really nice power DE. Watched a few games keyed on him. The guy gets a LOT of attention thrown his way. Can’t do that as much in the NFL. Many pundits are comparing him to Kerrigan coming out (not that Weekend at Bernie’s shell of his former self we just had) and I can definitely see it. Relentless motor, relies on power but has a pretty good arm over and a decent spin to be worked on; great play strength, and can definitely set an edge. Other good part….still very young at 21. He may very well be a better pro than college player in the long run. 

I’m already starting to talk myself into Karlaftis. I don’t think he’s bad or anything, but he feels underwhelming. I don’t think he’ll fail, but I don’t think there’s much of a chance he’s a difference-maker either. 

38 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I liked it better a couple of months ago when the strength of the draft was picks 12-20. Doesn’t feel that way anymore, does it?

Feels like we should get a good player at 15, but there’s a giant cliff before 18. 

We really need teams to panic at QB and take them early or trade up with us to get one. 

The combination of possibly no QBs in the top 10 + Ojabo's injury crushed us. 

That said, if 2 QBs go top 14 and we get one surprise pick (ex: Penning, Lloyd), we're in great shape.

We really need Houston and Seattle to be true to themselves and get weird.

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

My thoughts for the 3 most likely picks for the Eagles:

1. Davis.  I don't think the board breaks this way, but I suspect this is their guy.

2. Olave.  Not their top WR, but I think he's the one they'll pick up if they want a WR with the way the board will break.

3. Karlaftis.  See above, but for DE.

Olave is a weird one for us. I could see Sirianni love how much of a technician he is. In the past he talked about wanting to get the ball into receivers’ hands within 5 yards. Olave absolutely can separate within 5 yards, but he doesn’t really do anything with it once he gets it. He’s not elusive. He’s not a tackle breaker. 

In the right environment, he’s a 1,000-yard receiver easy. Like Karlaftis, I don’t see Olave failing, but I don’t see him being a 1 or a 1B. He’s a high-end WR2. Maybe that’s not so bad for pick 18. I don’t know. 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Olave is a weird one for us. I could see Sirianni love how much of a technician he is. In the past he talked about wanting to get the ball into receivers’ hands within 5 yards. Olave absolutely can separate within 5 yards, but he doesn’t really do anything with it once he gets it. He’s not elusive. He’s not a tackle breaker. 

In the right environment, he’s a 1,000-yard receiver easy. Like Karlaftis, I don’t see Olave failing, but I don’t see him being a 1 or a 1B. He’s a high-end WR2. Maybe that’s not so bad for pick 18. I don’t know. 

I agree, a vast majority of the top rated WRs seem like they have a ceiling of high end WR2. The only WRs I see with WR1 potential is Jameson and Pickens. Wilson, London, Olave, Burks, Dotson and Skyy Moore most likely won't be. Burks has the best chance out of that group but obviously work ethic is a big question mark.

Should be a relatively cheap to move up in a draft like this FWIW. At least after the top OTs are off the board. 

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Should be a relatively cheap to move up in a draft like this FWIW. At least after the top OTs are off the board. 

Looks like it. And then teams trade up and four QBs get picked. I’d not even be surprised.

I think when we look back you could have more quality players from rd 2 then rd 1 .

10 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I think when we look back you could have more quality players from rd 2 then rd 1 .

Round 2 allows coaches and GMs do get more creative as they accept risks for more explosive talent.

The no man’s land, which ends up being somewhere in round 1, is where GMs get pressured into settling for safer picks with lower ceilings and established flaws.