4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

WHen looking at options, Carr may be a decent choice.

Right now who are the top QB's in the NFC?  Rodgers, Wilson and Brady.  

Yep, and Rodgers and Brady may be gone. After that is Murray and Yak. Carr is in that mix.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

@Outlaw  most likely on Strong/Ridder rising up in the 1st.  QB’s always rise when teams panic.  I’d rather we not be one of those teams.   
 

I wasn’t going to quote your post with 27 quotes.  

Yep

If we can trade down one of ours into the mid 20's and get another 1st for next year out of it, I'm ok with them taking Ridder.

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m sure this has been mentioned at length in here but I don’t know how you watched that game last night and still think Hurts is a franchise QB. 

He's only in his third season, but it's only his second season starting. Then factor in that it's the first time he's had a coach for more than one season.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, he's basically still a rookie.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think Wilson stays in Seattle 

I think Wilson and Brady are both back next year. Rodgers is a wildcard.

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

Improve to what level? Has hurts improved from last year? Possibly, but if he has it is such an insignificant amount. Can he improve next year? Sure, but he was not good this year and the Eagles needs to see a huge improvement, not little incremental improvement every year.

The other consideration with Jalen is rate of improvement and where he's starting from. He'll be going into year 3 so he'll have the upcoming year plus one more on his rookie deal. By the time his rookie deal expires, he's going to be looking for considerably more than what his rookie deal pays. Will he be good enough in 2 years to be worth $20 mil. +/year? Do the Eagles devote 2 years and attendant resources to developing Hurts to have him asking for more than he's worth at the end of his rookie contract? Is his ceiling high enough? It's a judgment call I'm glad I don't have to make.

13 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m sure this has been mentioned at length in here but I don’t know how you watched that game last night and still think Hurts is a franchise QB. 

Watching any winning playoff teams, you can see Hurts isn't going to win with just his legs. Not going to happen. If he could juuuuuusssstttt pass the ball. I'm not sure he is ever going to read defenses and make the throws. I hate counting someone out. The Bills Josh Allen runs a LOT for his team. But he can also read defenses and get the ball to the right receivers because he can also THROW the damn ball. He HAD to throw the ball to even keep pace with a great playoff team he was facing. If I was Hurts, I would be totally locked into reading defenses by overdosing on film all offseason, working on his arm strength, and practice making all the throws the big boys make. By the big boys, I mean playoff game winning QB's who have IT.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Seems like a lot of people are calling this that the best weekend of playoff football that we have seen but I think the divisional round for the 2003 season is right up there. 

 

You had 4th and 26 and then also the double OT game between the Panthers and greatest show on turf Rams where Steve Smith won it on like a 70 yard TD catch.  The AFC games were close too that weekend but not as memorable as those two NFC games. 

I would wonder if people who are not Eagles fans know or care about 4th and 26. I doubt it.

50 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Goes both ways too.  Chiefs didn't really stop the Bills either.    But, defense is absolutely important.  Stops matter and more importantly stops at the right time.

Howie's hit rate is roughly 0% in the range that we have 3 draft picks.

You are missing the point. The "best defense in the NFL didn't matter

1 minute ago, greend said:

You are missing the point. The "best defense in the NFL didn't matter

It mattered.  They screwed the pooch.  The game was there for the taking and the defense let them down.  

 

The way I see it... you need both the QB and the defense.

What's the opinions of the other two Georgia LB's Quay Walker and Channing Tindall. Good year to draft a linebacker, hopefully. I'm not crazy about Dean's size, personally.

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Jimmy G is far from "great”.  

So what.  A Jimmy G type QB isn't going to beat Allen or Mahomes. The crux of what I am pointing out is true. You want Hurts, fine. I sure as hell don't. Even Jimmy G is better than Hurts, though. 🤣

49 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok, what good QB are you going to trade all or a couple of firsts?  To hell with "defense"....

Jeff Lurie...is that you?

Trent Dilfer is that you?

2 hours ago, pallidrone said:

If they draft anyone from Cincy, I really hope it is Alec Pierce. I think he is going to be a really good WR in the NFL and should be available in the 3rd.

Agree.  I like him in the 2nd. Hope he can be there in the 3rd but not sure about that. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It mattered.  They screwed the pooch.  The game was there for the taking and the defense let them down.  

 

The way I see it... you need both the QB and the defense.

So they won? Let's get this straight, somehow they lost with elite quarterback play and the best defense in the league. Which one of those thing kept them in the game? Their defense did not matter.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Trubisky was a toolsy prospect too. Bust. Paxton Lynch was a toolsy prospect. Bust. Both Winston/Mariota had the measurables/arms and didn't pan out.

There's no guarantee a QB improves.

There IS no guarantee, there's only likelihood. It's why GMs and Head Coaches get the big bux. They're probably going to guess wrong and get fired sooner rather than later.

5 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

What's the opinions of the other two Georgia LB's Quay Walker and Channing Tindall. Good year to draft a linebacker, hopefully. I'm not crazy about Dean's size, personally.

Both solid 3rd rounders or lower. I like Walker more of the 2.

We need AT LEAST 4 more seasons with the exact same coaches and surrounding cast to truly evaluate if Hurts can progress to his 2nd read with consistency

Add 3 more seasons to figure out if he can win us a SB.  

Then we'll know whether to keep him or move on

 

You guys know any 13 year old prospects we could break down??

42 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

ooooufffff. 

Hard pass on all those. 

Nothing wrong with Caldwell. He deserves a medal of honor for getting the Lions to the playoffs. He's a good coach. 

Just now, Mike31mt said:

We need AT LEAST 4 more seasons with the exact same coaches and surrounding cast to truly evaluate if Hurts can progress to his 2nd read with consistency

Add 3 more seasons to figure out if he can win us a SB.  

Then we'll know whether to keep him or move on

😔

HIRE ME JEFFREY!

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Until you can guarantee that we will get the next Josh Allen or Pat Mahomes....just stop with defense isn't important BS.  That's just a ridiculous take.  We have ignored defense for far too long.  It's what won Tampa a SB last year and what has gotten SF this far.  Yet people pick one game with two great QB performances as the blueprint?  That's just silly.  We are not getting a great QB with our first round picks.  I don't like Hurts.  But wasting our draft capital to reach for a QB because of what other great QB's did in the playoffs is dumber than going with Hurts next year.  Give me multiple good players in the first.  Hell, we need good players on defense just to get up to a mid level as compared to the rest of the league.  

Yes. I recall a lot of over reacting to the QB performances last night.  Your right on the defense matters point too.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Goes both ways too.  Chiefs didn't really stop the Bills either.    But, defense is absolutely important.  Stops matter and more importantly stops at the right time.

The #1, #2, #5, #6 and #7, #11 and #14 scoring defenses all eliminated from the playoffs.  If the Super Bowl ends up being the Rams v Bengals, that means the #1, #2, #5, #6 and #7, #8, #10, #11 and #14 scoring defenses all did not make it.  It would be the Rams #15 vs the Bengals #17 scoring defenses.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

So they won? Let's get this straight, somehow they lost with elite quarterback play and the best defense in the league. Which one of those thing kept them in the game? Their defense did not matter.

Very true.  Need a better defense, or at least better calls down the stretch.  And I'm not sure who this QB you have your eyes set on is.  It sure isn't Watson.  Even at his best... he's not close to either of Mahomes or Allen.

Just now, downundermike said:

The #1, #2, #5, #6 and #7, #11 and #14 scoring defenses all eliminated from the playoffs.  If the Super Bowl ends up being the Rams v Bengals, that means the #1, #2, #5, #6 and #7, #8, #10, #11 and #14 scoring defenses all did not make it.  It would be the Rams #15 vs the Bengals #17 scoring defenses.

 I like the Bengals, mainly Burrow, but I just can't foresee them knocking off the Chiefs. I mean, any given Sunday sure...but that would be one of the biggest upsets in a conference championship of all time.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Very true.  Need a better defense, or at least better calls down the stretch.  And I'm not sure who this QB you have your eyes set on is.  It sure isn't Watson.  Even at his best... he's not close to either of Mahomes or Allen.

I agree there. BUT, he's instantly the best QB under 30 in the NFC.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Very true.  Need a better defense, or at least better calls down the stretch.  And I'm not sure who this QB you have your eyes set on is.  It sure isn't Watson.  Even at his best... he's not close to either of Mahomes or Allen.

Maybe not, but he'll be the best QB in the NFC going forward.