50 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I would not have wasted a 2nd rd pick on Hurts. Nor a 1st on Reagor or a 2nd on JJAW. Thats why I am concerned about who and how they are doing the scouting. 

If we are still doing it the same? We will get the same results. 

My premise is they're not drafting the same way. Howie has essentially admitted to making aggressively win-now draft picks before 2021.

I agree, though, I'll believe in sustained Howie Roseman draft success when I see it.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Sorry but this is Howie's approach and it doesn't seem to work

Nah.  Howie's most recent approach was to overpay players past their primes for sentimental reasons.

The 2nd contracts to the likes of Cox, Ertz, Graham, Johnson and the UFA contract to Brooks were good deals.  The problem came with the 3rd contracts.  Very few players can live up to that production level at those ages.  That's what got Howie in trouble... and void years to boot.

Of course his hand was forced a little there by his atrocious drafting during that same time frame.

Team is deplated in so many just draft BPA and make a run at a better QB in 23. 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I knew it! Lol

And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those damn kids and their dog!

 

2 hours ago, wussbasket said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Nkobe Dean is 5'10" or shorter. I would much rather target Devin Lloyd in the 1st or try to pickup Christian Harris in the 2nd.

 

Lewis Cine (on the right) is listed at 6'1".  Dean (on the left) may be 5'9" or 5'10"

5 minutes ago, greend said:

What hasn't worked is we think someone is talented and they're not

Thats the trouble with the draft picks for sure.  The contracts are generally a different animal.  He thinks their level of play will remain indefinitely, but it wont.  Banner wasn't right being so strict on the 30 year old rule... but then Howie has swung way too far in the other direction.

Just now, Han Solo said:

 

Lewis Cine (on the right) is listed at 6'1".  Dean (on the left) may be 5'9" or 5'10"

Yep , Dean 5ft 10 at best 

6 minutes ago, greend said:

What hasn't worked is we think someone is talented and they're not

There was certainly some bad drafting but that doesn't explain away the cap position we are in.

24 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

With Gannon interviewing for head coaching jobs and likely to be gone in 1-2 years (if not hired this cycle) how much input will he have in drafting defensive players?  Does it make sense to draft prospects based on physical traits he might value, when it appears he's a head coaching hire waiting to happen?

Its not like Gannon is in charge of the future of the defense and the long term direction the team should go. I'm sure they would take his input, but its ultimately Sirianni and the FO that's going to pick the defensive philosophy and types of players they want to follow through with their plan.

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

My premise is they're not drafting the same way. Howie has essentially admitted to making aggressively win-now draft picks before 2021.

I agree, though, I'll believe in sustained Howie Roseman draft success when I see it.

Davion Taylor was a win now move?

3 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those damn kids and their dog!

 

 meddling kids* 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 meddling kids* 

Ruh roh!

8 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

 

Lewis Cine (on the right) is listed at 6'1".  Dean (on the left) may be 5'9" or 5'10"

Yeah, even if he isn't standing straight up that's a pretty big difference for a LB especially when you need him to cover someone like Gronk/Travis Kelce/Kittle/ and even Goedert type of TE's.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Sorry but this is Howie's approach and it doesn't seem to work

Howie's flaw is locking up aging players on the beginning of their downturn to reward them for their past contributions and not for what they're going to do in the future.

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 meddling kids* 

 

57 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

 

Wait.  Is that Tyler Linderbaum or Louden Swain?

 

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

If Kelce retires do you think they go with Isaac Seumalo or draft someone early?  Many of Seumalo's draft profiles if I remember correctly had his best position as a C. 

I like Seumalo as a C.  Wonder about Driscoll as one too.  I was talking with @justrelax and suggested that Kenyon Green as an alternative to Linderbaum is a possibility as it would set the Eagles in the middle.  Driscoll has the potential to be our new Seumalo, a player who can play all interior positions and RT.  

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I like Seumalo as a C.  Wonder about Driscoll as one too.  I was talking with @justrelax and suggested that Kenyon Green as an alternative to Linderbaum is a possibility as it would set the Eagles in the middle.  Driscoll has the potential to be our new Seumalo, a player who can play all interior positions and RT.  

Green would be a high quality pick. I am fine with isaac going to center

2 hours ago, eglz1 said:

It was a big deal in Philadelphia. I'm not so sure about the rest of the country, except perhaps for its entertainment value.

 

No it was.  I still see that play brought up at times on placed like reddit where it is fans of all teams. 

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I like Seumalo as a C.  Wonder about Driscoll as one too.  I was talking with @justrelax and suggested that Kenyon Green as an alternative to Linderbaum is a possibility as it would set the Eagles in the middle.  Driscoll has the potential to be our new Seumalo, a player who can play all interior positions and RT.  

I would really like to see Driscoll at center but we'd be going from an ironman to a guy who can't stay healthy. 

53 minutes ago, greend said:

What hasn't worked is we think someone is talented and they're not

Over and over again. At every position

49 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah.  Howie's most recent approach was to overpay players past their primes for sentimental reasons.

The 2nd contracts to the likes of Cox, Ertz, Graham, Johnson and the UFA contract to Brooks were good deals.  The problem came with the 3rd contracts.  Very few players can live up to that production level at those ages.  That's what got Howie in trouble... and void years to boot.

Of course his hand was forced a little there by his atrocious drafting during that same time frame.

The left hand was trying to fix what the right hand was doing.

Typical Sean Payton.  Without a HOF QB his team is an also-ran, and someone just explained to him the Saints are $70M over the cap for 2022

27 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I like Seumalo as a C.  Wonder about Driscoll as one too.  I was talking with @justrelax and suggested that Kenyon Green as an alternative to Linderbaum is a possibility as it would set the Eagles in the middle.  Driscoll has the potential to be our new Seumalo, a player who can play all interior positions and RT.  

KG also has experience everywhere but C - so RT versatility, if Lane is down for a bit.

Who will be the first team to pull off a QB trade?  Last year on January 30 the Rams acquired Jared Goff, which to this point has worked for them.