11 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Being someone that has been to jail I'm going to respectfully disagree about scumbags need stiffer penalties.

Jail/prison is a joke, no one is getting better in jail unless they take it upon themselves to do so. Jail/prison is Tax payer paid adult day care.

Majority of people in jail are good people who have made bad decisions in their lives.

One of my cell mates was on Utahs top 10 most wanted, he had a complicated past and a long rap sheet, hed been in and out of prison and jail since he was a teenager, he'd done long stretches and short ones and had crimes from petty theft or drug possession to aggravated assault. When I was with him he was in for possession of meth and despite that he was a good person, who had from a young age been in a violent environment and made lots of poor choices.

All the time he did in jail all the prison time and stiff penalties never did much to help him change or get better, locking people up then releasing them right back into a culture or situation that contributed to the crimes in the first place isnt helpful.

Whenever  someone would get out the whole pod would always say," see you next week" and sadly I saw too many come back a week or so later on some stupid drug charge or something else stupid.

Not too mention when one is released and on probation any probation violation no matter how small can send one back for 3 months, which is why a lot of inmates ask for longer sentences instead of probation.

It's a messed up system perpetuated by a bunch of messed up societal factors, change/improve those factors then maybe we can talk about penalties.

 

At some point a man has to take responsibility for his own life. A "good person" doesn't have a rap sheet a mile long and just keep making it longer. 

26 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Whats the average career for a NFL player? 2.5-3.5 years or something like that. That's the length of a career, not just on a single team. Rosters are turning over probably close to 25% a year. It would be interesting to see the average number of players on a team that have been with them 4+ years. 3 seems to be on the lower side, but I can't imagine it would be much higher.

Yup.. that's counting late round draft picks and UDFAs.   A good team should be able to get more than one player from 2014 - 2017 to actually play on a second contract.  We have one... Seumalo.   And only the 2017 draft can be excused away as fewer picks due to the Wentz trade.

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

What's even the point? Is there anyone from the 2017 team you still wish was here? Ertz? Peters? It was an interesting team that fizzled out quickly.

The point is there should have been more from the 2015, 2016, 2017 drafts that serve some, ANY, role on the current team other than Seumalo. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.. that's counting late round draft picks and UDFAs.   A good team should be able to get more than one player from 2014 - 2017 to actually play on a second contract.  We have one... Seumalo.   And only the 2017 draft can be excused away as fewer picks due to the Wentz trade.

It can't even really since they recouped the first with Bradford. They still had 8 picks. 2018 was the down year because of Wentz, Darby, Ajayi etc. 

TFWIW gcobb also was the only one saying he had a source close to watson saying he would waive his NTC for Philly 

 

22 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Why are you narrowing it down to "starters"? They still have David Andrews, Ja"whaun Bentley, Trent Brown, Joe Cardona, Brian Hoyer, JC Jackson, Ted Karras, Brandon King, Kyle Van Noy, Deatrich Wise Jr, Jonathan Jones, James White from 2018. 

That would be more... 

Turnover is necessary in the NFL.  BUT... the Eagles couldn't move on to the players behind the starters from the Super Bowl, because they didn't draft well.   2nd contracts are a really good way to measure success, but its not the only measure.  The Eagles have one player - Seumalo - that has actually played on a second contract from 2014 - 2017.  That's atrocious.  2018 is good in that respect.  2019 looks like it will be a zero as well.  Miles Sanders is the only one that might get a second contract, and I am really hoping not.  It would likely be cost prohibitive.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The point is there should have been more from the 2015, 2016, 2017 drafts that serve some, ANY, role on the current team other than Seumalo. 

Yes.  Exactly.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

TFWIW gcobb also was the only one saying he had a source close to watson saying he would waive his NTC for Philly 

This has always been the obvious move. Win now and win long term.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.. that's counting late round draft picks and UDFAs.   A good team should be able to get more than one player from 2014 - 2017 to actually play on a second contract.  We have one... Seumalo.   And only the 2017 draft can be excused away as fewer picks due to the Wentz trade.

You can expand this and it's still true.

2014 - nobody

2015 - nobody

2016 - Seumalo

2017 - Barnett, but he's gone this off season

2018 - A pretty good draft, Maddox, Goedert, Mailata, Sweat

2019 - nobody

2020 - It sucks too, but I would say Watkins and maybe Davion Taylor and Driscoll

13 minutes ago, greend said:

At some point a man has to take responsibility for his own life. A "good person" doesn't have a rap sheet a mile long and just keep making it longer. 

Too much free time in prison.  Need to get back to the work crews

15 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

What's even the point? Is there anyone from the 2017 team you still wish was here? Ertz? Peters? It was an interesting team that fizzled out quickly.

The point is that if this team was run better, they'd have more players drafted In the years leading up to the Super Bowl still here.  But they didn't.  The GM should be taking the heat for that.  But, the argument is that he didn't run those... and then he failed due to trying to extend the window.  

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

You can expand this and it's still true.

2014 - nobody

2015 - nobody

2016 - Seumalo

2017 - Barnett, but he's gone this off season

2018 - A pretty good draft, Maddox, Goedert, Mailata, Sweat

2019 - nobody

2020 - It sucks too, but I would say Watkins and maybe Davion Taylor and Driscoll

I know.  But, the 2014 - 2017 is the part that would impact the Super Bowl roster.   Howie sucks.

 

It would be nice if Taylor and Driscoll could stay healthy.  Taylor hasn't done much of anything... maybe 2 games where he actually flashed, then gone with injury. Driscoll looks good... when healthy as well.  Shame on Driscoll.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

At some point a man has to take responsibility for his own life. A "good person" doesn't have a rap sheet a mile long and just keep making it longer. 

Again I'm going to disagree, I've always given people the benefit of doubt and tried not to judge them, my cell mates name was Earl, he had a different life than me growing up that shaped his thoughts and the way he reacted to the world, we were talking one night about life and choices and he told me that he's seen people who no longer had any light in them, none in their eyes, he wasn't one of those in my assertion, and he said most people in prison are just people doing the best with what they know but a few of them the light is gone. I never met any of those 

We had an old convict come and visit our pod once he was probably in his 70s, he was in the mob when he was younger and went to prison for murder, he told us about his childhood and his environment and the circumstances that led to him taking another person's life, he told us until we've been in his shoes and experienced exactly what he had who are we to say we wouldn't have done the exact same thing as he?

My dad has never committed a crime, he's a good dude lives a good healthy honest life, I asked him if he could ever murder someone and he of course said ,"no never" then I asked him what he he would do if someone raped my mom? He said he would hunt them down and kill them.

Most people are good they make bad choices some more than others and those choices sometimes have really negative consequences for other people and it's unfortunate and yet those people are still good people who under different circumstances may have made different choices.

Either way sending them to jail or prison as currently constructed doesn't help them to make future better choices.

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The point is there should have been more from the 2015, 2016, 2017 drafts that serve some, ANY, role on the current team other than Seumalo. 

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The point is that if this team was run better, they'd have more players drafted In the years leading up to the Super Bowl still here.  But they didn't.  The GM should be taking the heat for that.  But, the argument is that he didn't run those... and then he failed due to trying to extend the window.  

That's fair. I don't disagree.

27 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Being someone that has been to jail I'm going to respectfully disagree about scumbags need stiffer penalties.

Jail/prison is a joke, no one is getting better in jail unless they take it upon themselves to do so. Jail/prison is Tax payer paid adult day care.

Majority of people in jail are good people who have made bad decisions in their lives.

One of my cell mates was on Utahs top 10 most wanted, he had a complicated past and a long rap sheet, hed been in and out of prison and jail since he was a teenager, he'd done long stretches and short ones and had crimes from petty theft or drug possession to aggravated assault. When I was with him he was in for possession of meth and despite that he was a good person, who had from a young age been in a violent environment and made lots of poor choices.

All the time he did in jail all the prison time and stiff penalties never did much to help him change or get better, locking people up then releasing them right back into a culture or situation that contributed to the crimes in the first place isnt helpful.

Whenever  someone would get out the whole pod would always say," see you next week" and sadly I saw too many come back a week or so later on some stupid drug charge or something else stupid.

Not too mention when one is released and on probation any probation violation no matter how small can send one back for 3 months, which is why a lot of inmates ask for longer sentences instead of probation.

It's a messed up system perpetuated by a bunch of messed up societal factors, change/improve those factors then maybe we can talk about penalties.

 

2 questions. What were you in for and what was your most creative shank?

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Again I'm going to disagree, I've always given people the benefit of doubt and tried not to judge them, my cell mates name was Earl, he had a different life than me growing up that shaped his thoughts and the way he reacted to the world, we were talking one night about life and choices and he told me that he's seen people who no longer had any light in them, none in their eyes, he wasn't one of those in my assertion, and he said most people in prison are just people doing the best with what they know but a few of them the light is gone. I never met any of those 

We had an old convict come and visit our pod once he was probably in his 70s, he was in the mob when he was younger and went to prison for murder, he told us about his childhood and his environment and the circumstances that led to him taking another person's life, he told us until we've been in his shoes and experienced exactly what he had who are we to say we wouldn't have done the exact same thing as he?

My dad has never committed a crime, he's a good dude lives a good healthy honest life, I asked him if he could ever murder someone and he of course said ,"no never" then I asked him what he he would do if someone raped my mom? He said he would hunt them down and kill them.

Most people are good they make bad choices some more than others and those choices sometimes have really negative consequences for other people and it's unfortunate and yet those people are still good people who under different circumstances may have made different choices.

Either way sending them to jail or prison as currently constructed doesn't help them to make future better choices.

So what would your suggestion be to "help” them? No jail, counseling only? A sack of cash to lift them out of poverty? Not being sarcastic, I’d be truly curious if your opinion here. 

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ok... I'll say it.  They throw this around too frequently.   Brooks was great... when he played.  He had 4 great years with the team.  4.   IMHO to be counted amongst the best to ever wear the colors, you need more than that.    

That said, he's a great guy, and he was great from 2016 - 2019.  3 time Pro Bowler.  Super Bowl Champion.  But, I'd rather have a little more on the resume before elevating to that level... Best OG in Eagles' history?  I suppose.   Shawn Andrews would also get a nod as a 2 time Pro Bowler, and 1 time First Team All-Pro.  Both have the problem of injuries.  Brooks had a longer NFL career... but as Eagles, I'd be hard pressed to say that Brooks was actually better than Andrews.  Just 1 more year of play from Brooks than Andrews.

I thought the same thing.   I'm wondering how many players from SB52 will have their numbers retired.

Foles, BG, Kelce?  

Hell, Jermane Mayberry had an 8-year Eagles career, made the Pro Bowl, was on 4 NFCC teams and 1 SB team.  Plus he started the Eagles Eye Mobile.  

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I thought the same thing.   I'm wondering how many players from SB52 will have their numbers retired.

Foles, BG, Kelce?  

Hell, Jermane Mayberry had an 8-year Eagles career, made the Pro Bowl, was on 4 NFCC teams and 1 SB team.  Plus he started the Eagles Eye Mobile.  

Foles?  No.  BG?  Doubtful.   Kelce?   Yes.   Cox?  Maybe.   

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Foles?  No.  BG?  Doubtful.   Kelce?   Yes.   Cox?  Maybe.   

 

I don't think ay of them should but the Eagles seem to love to retire numbers. 

26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If he wanted to go to the afc the spot to go to would be Denver based off team around him but the division is a killer. Apparently there’s a rumor Adams and rodgers would both like to go to Denver. That offense with rodgers along with jeudy, Adams, fant and Sutton and Williams running the ball would be really good. And their defense is solid. Downside of that you are in the same division as mahomes and herbert and also have the raiders  

 

Those would be some great games though

28 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

2 questions. What were you in for and what was your most creative shank?

1- nothing I was innocent😉

2- I never made a shank, the most common one I saw in jail were made from combs or tooth brushes that were filed down.

People would often threaten to stick a pencil in your neck but the pencils they gave us were like an inch long so not much one could do with that.

 

Lots of guys made other things in jail though, mostly out of the elastic bands in their under wear, or threads from their sheets.

They'd weave them together to make rings and cross necklaces and stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

So what would your suggestion be to "help” them? No jail, counseling only? A sack of cash to lift them out of poverty? Not being sarcastic, I’d be truly curious if your opinion here. 

Trade school.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Foles?  No.  BG?  Doubtful.   Kelce?   Yes.   Cox?  Maybe.   

 

 

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't think ay of them should but the Eagles seem to love to retire numbers. 

Kelce is prob the only one that should, if they go that route. BG would have a strong case too. I'm of the thought that they should raise a banner with the players number/name, but don't actually retire the number. 

41 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If he wanted to go to the afc the spot to go to would be Denver based off team around him but the division is a killer. Apparently there’s a rumor Adams and rodgers would both like to go to Denver. That offense with rodgers along with jeudy, Adams, fant and Sutton and Williams running the ball would be really good. And their defense is solid. Downside of that you are in the same division as mahomes and herbert and also have the raiders  

 

Good news about this, Deshaun Watson should want out of the AFC.

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Trade school.

You know who learned a trade in an institution? Buffalo Bill, learned how to be a tailor....that didn't work out so well

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

You know who learned a trade in an institution? Buffalo Bill, learned how to be a tailor....that didn't work out so well

Oof… nevermind then.

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Thoughts on the kid from Florida? Pierce?

Pretty sure I did and not as impressed. I don't really recall anything specific about him.  I don't think I have him on the list for us (for me).