Draft Tek mock draft has the Eagles taking: (some of the draft slots don't look right, but)

#15 -- Derek Stingley  CB

#16 -- Chris Olave  WR

#19 -- Cameron Thomas  DE

#51 -- Jalen Pitre  S

#83 -- D'Marco Jackson  ILB

#115 -- Max Mitchell  OT

#139 -- Eyioma Uwazurike  DT

#147 -- Michael Maietti  C

#151 -- Brian Robinson Jr  RB

#210 -- Brock Purdy  QB

 

6 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

So what would your suggestion be to "help” them? No jail, counseling only? A sack of cash to lift them out of poverty? Not being sarcastic, I’d be truly curious if your opinion here. 

That's a big question which I think id suggest a few things.

First bonobo effect.

Bonobos are almost identical  genetically to chimpanzees but unlike chimps which exhibit a war like  culture they are very peaceful and function in society where favor is gained by giving sexual favor to the matriarch.

So why the polor differences? Resources? Bonobos live in an area if the world where food water and territory is in higher supply they don't have to compete with each other for those resources, where as chimps live in an area where less food less water and less land so they become territorial and violent.

It's no wonder that higher density populations with less resources have higher rates of violence and crime 

Make resources more equitable decrease competition for them and in theory violence will decrease. This can be achieve in theory by regulating capitalism and strengthening social safety nets.

Another suggestion would be to actually treat them like human beings worthy of change and forgiveness.

In Finland If I remember correctly they have a really low violent crime rate, part of it is as mentioned above higher social safety nets less competition for limited resources but also when citizens do break the law they send them to an island where they all live together they all have rooms and jobs, some work in the kitchen, violent criminals use knives to cook ect, some work in the garden and so on.

They have workshops and therapy and groups and they help each other out and none of the staff have guns and they treat the " inmates" like people and the inmates treat each other with respect.

All I ever did in jail is get really good at handball spades and chess and when I was t doing that I was reading but those are things I chose to do on my own, rest the time was just sitting around getting yelled at and having the guards mess with us because they're ds.

I don't have all the answers but I think the way out current jail/prison system is a waste.

Finland also has one if of not the lowest recidivism rate where as we have the highest.

More stringent penalties and treating people worse isn't going to lower recidivism rates it's going to just cost more tax payer money and keep people going through the revolving door that is the for profit prison system.

32 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't think ay of them should but the Eagles seem to love to retire numbers. 

Agreed.  Kelce is a guy who could.

 

Personally, I think retired numbers should be a level ABOVE Hall of Fame.  So, for me... criteria #1 to the jersey retired question is:  Did the player make the HoF?  If not, then the discussion ends.  Criteria #2: Were they widely recognized as the best at their respective position for a number of years?  If not, then the discussion ends. Criteria #3:  Did they win a championship?  This can help to buoy the resume for someone on the bubble #2.

Retired numbers currently: 5, 15, 20, 40, 44, 60, 70, 92 and 99.

5 - No.  5 may always love us. But the number should be available for others. 

15 - Absolutely.  Leading rusher in NFL history when he retired.  First player with multiple 1000 yard rushing seasons.  NFL MVP, multiple championships.

20 - Absolutely.   Best safety of his generation, yes I'm biased, but he did more than any of those others mentioned.  Better than Reid, better than Polamalu, better than Lynch.  

40 - On the fence... before my time, so I have to lean towards yes.  Championship helps to push it over the top.

44 - On the fence again.  Not sure, I'd lean no.  2 time first team All-Pro, 2 time second team All-Pro.  Champion.   But, not a Hall of Famer.   Ironically, I think Pete Pihos (#35) should have had his number retired instead.  Pihos made the Hall of Fame in 1970.  Just my opinion, both were before my time though, so I can't be dogmatic. 

#60 - too obvious to mention (apparently)  

#70 - Probably.  You don't get a rushing champion without an OL.  Wistert seemed to be the stalwart of that unit.  Not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame though.  So, he loses out based on criteria 1.

#92 - No doubt.  No need to explain.

#99 - No.  Tragic death of a very good player (even an All-Pro) doesn't warrant number retirement.  It was an emotional decision, which I understand, but was an unnecessary move.  BUT... it was ownership trying to buy the loyalty of a bunch of players that loved Brown, and hated him.  Wrong reason to do it.   (And I'm sure I'll get some heat for saying so.) 

 

So, to me it should be: 15, 20, 35, 40, 60, 92. 

Add to that: 62 and 91, probably 71.

That's it for me.

 

Edited to put 60 in, take 70 out, and offer an olive branch to @justrelax and add 71... sort of.

20 hours ago, austinfan said:

Problem is you also have to be prepared for a team like the Rams. Against an athletic 4-3, Kelce is perfect, he's great at execting the double team on the DT on either side, then peeling off to the second level, and doesn't have to deal with the bull rush from a 350 lb NT.

That's why I was thinking about match ups, like you do elsewhere on the field, mobile center and big guards against the 4-3, big center and athletic guards against the 3-4.

Don't know if that's practical, but if anyone could pull it off, it would be Stoutland.

I don't see it as practical. It's tough enough to get a good O line and even tougher to keep it healthy. The better or at least more practical approach, and I think it is Stoutland's approach, is to get versatile players and coach them up. Excluding Kelce, Mailata, Dillard, and Johnson, pretty much all our OL are position versatile. We have consistently and this goes back to Reid, drafted college tackles and played them at guard, the reason being that college tackles are, by and large, better athletes than college guards.

I'm glad Brooks has closure on his career; it was clear this year he was not the player he was once getting injured and there is nothing worse than a player hanging on.  The new Eagles era is getting ever closer

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Draft Tek mock draft has the Eagles taking: (some of the draft slots don't look right, but)

#15 -- Derek Stingley  CB

#16 -- Chris Olave  WR

#19 -- Cameron Thomas  DE

#51 -- Jalen Pitre  S

#83 -- D'Marco Jackson  ILB

#115 -- Max Mitchell  OT

#139 -- Eyioma Uwazurike  DT

#147 -- Michael Maietti  C

#151 -- Brian Robinson Jr  RB

#210 -- Brock Purdy  QB

 

I think Cameron Thomas is going to be a great pro 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.  Kelce is a guy who could.

 

Personally, I think retired numbers should be a level ABOVE Hall of Fame.  So, for me... criteria #1 to the jersey retired question is:  Did the player make the HoF?  If not, then the discussion ends.  Criteria #2: Were they widely recognized as the best at their respective position for a number of years?  If not, then the discussion ends. Criteria #3:  Did they win a championship?  This can help to buoy the resume for someone on the bubble #2.

Retired numbers currently: 5, 15, 20, 40, 44, 60, 70, 92 and 99.

5 - No.  5 may always love us. But the number should be available for others. 

15 - Absolutely.  Leading rusher in NFL history when he retired.  First player with multiple 1000 yard rushing seasons.  NFL MVP, multiple championships.

20 - Absolutely.   Best safety of his generation, yes I'm biased, but he did more than any of those others mentioned.  Better than Reid, better than Polamalu, better than Lynch.  

40 - On the fence... before my time, so I have to lean towards yes.  Championship helps to push it over the top.

44 - On the fence again.  Not sure, I'd lean no.  2 time first team All-Pro, 2 time second team All-Pro.  Champion.   But, not a Hall of Famer.   Ironically, I think Pete Pihos (#35) should have had his number retired instead.  Pihos made the Hall of Fame in 1970.  Just my opinion, both were before my time though, so I can't be dogmatic. 

#70 - Absolutely.  You don't get a rushing champion without an OL.  Wistert seemed to be the stalwart of that unit.  Not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame though.

#92 - No doubt.  No need to explain.

#99 - No.  Tragic death of a very good player (even an All-Pro) doesn't warrant number retirement.  It was an emotional decision, which I understand, but was an unnecessary move.  BUT... it was ownership trying to buy the loyalty of a bunch of players that loved Brown, and hated him.  Wrong reason to do it.   (And I'm sure I'll get some heat for saying so.) 

 

So, to me it should be: 15, 20, 35, 40, 70, 92. 

Add to that: 62 and 91.

That's it for me.

Wash your mouth out with soap. Clothe yourself in sackcloth and ashes.

71 should be retired.

Just now, justrelax said:

Wash your mouth out with soap. Clothe yourself in sackcloth and ashes.

71 should be retired.

Yeah... I considered adding him... but the way it ended tarnishes it for me.   I wouldn't stand in the way though, and wouldn't even be upset about it.  

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.  Kelce is a guy who could.

 

Personally, I think retired numbers should be a level ABOVE Hall of Fame.  So, for me... criteria #1 to the jersey retired question is:  Did the player make the HoF?  If not, then the discussion ends.  Criteria #2: Were they widely recognized as the best at their respective position for a number of years?  If not, then the discussion ends. Criteria #3:  Did they win a championship?  This can help to buoy the resume for someone on the bubble #2.

Retired numbers currently: 5, 15, 20, 40, 44, 60, 70, 92 and 99.

5 - No.  5 may always love us. But the number should be available for others. 

15 - Absolutely.  Leading rusher in NFL history when he retired.  First player with multiple 1000 yard rushing seasons.  NFL MVP, multiple championships.

20 - Absolutely.   Best safety of his generation, yes I'm biased, but he did more than any of those others mentioned.  Better than Reid, better than Polamalu, better than Lynch.  

40 - On the fence... before my time, so I have to lean towards yes.  Championship helps to push it over the top.

44 - On the fence again.  Not sure, I'd lean no.  2 time first team All-Pro, 2 time second team All-Pro.  Champion.   But, not a Hall of Famer.   Ironically, I think Pete Pihos (#35) should have had his number retired instead.  Pihos made the Hall of Fame in 1970.  Just my opinion, both were before my time though, so I can't be dogmatic. 

#70 - Probably.  You don't get a rushing champion without an OL.  Wistert seemed to be the stalwart of that unit.  Not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame though.  So, he loses out based on criteria 1.

#92 - No doubt.  No need to explain.

#99 - No.  Tragic death of a very good player (even an All-Pro) doesn't warrant number retirement.  It was an emotional decision, which I understand, but was an unnecessary move.  BUT... it was ownership trying to buy the loyalty of a bunch of players that loved Brown, and hated him.  Wrong reason to do it.   (And I'm sure I'll get some heat for saying so.) 

 

So, to me it should be: 15, 20, 35, 40, 92. 

Add to that: 62 and 91.

That's it for me.

Uh, you mentioned 60 at the start, but omitted him in your final list....I assume an oversight? He's about a no-doubter as you can get. 

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Wash your mouth out with soap. Clothe yourself in sackcloth and ashes.

71 should be retired.

Hey JR, it was brought up a few pages ago....but who would you consider the best guard that's ever played for us? 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Uh, you mentioned 60 at the start, but omitted him in your final list....I assume an oversight? He's about a no-doubter as you can get. 

Whoops.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.  Kelce is a guy who could.

 

Personally, I think retired numbers should be a level ABOVE Hall of Fame.  So, for me... criteria #1 to the jersey retired question is:  Did the player make the HoF?  If not, then the discussion ends.  Criteria #2: Were they widely recognized as the best at their respective position for a number of years?  If not, then the discussion ends. Criteria #3:  Did they win a championship?  This can help to buoy the resume for someone on the bubble #2.

Retired numbers currently: 5, 15, 20, 40, 44, 60, 70, 92 and 99.

5 - No.  5 may always love us. But the number should be available for others. 

15 - Absolutely.  Leading rusher in NFL history when he retired.  First player with multiple 1000 yard rushing seasons.  NFL MVP, multiple championships.

20 - Absolutely.   Best safety of his generation, yes I'm biased, but he did more than any of those others mentioned.  Better than Reid, better than Polamalu, better than Lynch.  

40 - On the fence... before my time, so I have to lean towards yes.  Championship helps to push it over the top.

44 - On the fence again.  Not sure, I'd lean no.  2 time first team All-Pro, 2 time second team All-Pro.  Champion.   But, not a Hall of Famer.   Ironically, I think Pete Pihos (#35) should have had his number retired instead.  Pihos made the Hall of Fame in 1970.  Just my opinion, both were before my time though, so I can't be dogmatic. 

#70 - Probably.  You don't get a rushing champion without an OL.  Wistert seemed to be the stalwart of that unit.  Not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame though.  So, he loses out based on criteria 1.

#92 - No doubt.  No need to explain.

#99 - No.  Tragic death of a very good player (even an All-Pro) doesn't warrant number retirement.  It was an emotional decision, which I understand, but was an unnecessary move.  BUT... it was ownership trying to buy the loyalty of a bunch of players that loved Brown, and hated him.  Wrong reason to do it.   (And I'm sure I'll get some heat for saying so.) 

 

So, to me it should be: 15, 20, 35, 40, 92. 

Add to that: 62 and 91.

That's it for me.

good thoughts but I've said it a few times on here.  They really should look in to the honorary number thing much like Clemson, Michigan and the Cowboys do.  You know 88 is going to be a special player in Dallas (yes, Dez was good).  The Steelers, with 6 Super Bowls, have only officially retired 2 numbers although they do have what looks to be 10 other numbers they don't hand out.

Selfishly, I don't want to see 55 retired as I think it's such a great number for a defensive player.  

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Uh, you mentioned 60 at the start, but omitted him in your final list....I assume an oversight? He's about a no-doubter as you can get. 

Hey JR, it was brought up a few pages ago....but who would you consider the best guard that's ever played for us? 

Andrews.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

good thoughts but I've said it a few times on here.  They really should look in to the honorary number thing much like Clemson, Michigan and the Cowboys do.  You know 88 is going to be a special player in Dallas (yes, Dez was good).  The Steelers, with 6 Super Bowls, have only officially retired 2 numbers although they do have what looks to be 10 other numbers they don't hand out.

Selfishly, I don't want to see 55 retired as I think it's such a great number for a defensive player.  

Yeah, I get that too.  

1 hour ago, greend said:

Honestly, I rarely watch college and rely on you guys and your opinions. I do the mocks to get a rough idea where players "should go" (and I like to screw around with them). He was bpa according to pfn there.

 

11 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Andrews.

Ugh. He should have been a 5x all-pro for us.

51 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’m not.  Take it to CVON.  Or the Convict Blog. 

46 minutes ago, Utebird said:

1- nothing I was innocent😉

2- I never made a shank, the most common one I saw in jail were made from combs or tooth brushes that were filed down.

People would often threaten to stick a pencil in your neck but the pencils they gave us were like an inch long so not much one could do with that.

 

Lots of guys made other things in jail though, mostly out of the elastic bands in their under wear, or threads from their sheets.

They'd weave them together to make rings and cross necklaces and stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

Yawn, twice.

30 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Draft Tek mock draft has the Eagles taking: (some of the draft slots don't look right, but)

#15 -- Derek Stingley  CB

#16 -- Chris Olave  WR

#19 -- Cameron Thomas  DE

#51 -- Jalen Pitre  S

#83 -- D'Marco Jackson  ILB

#115 -- Max Mitchell  OT

#139 -- Eyioma Uwazurike  DT

#147 -- Michael Maietti  C

#151 -- Brian Robinson Jr  RB

#210 -- Brock Purdy  QB

 

Yuck.

Weak QB class , and I wouldn’t use a first on any QB , guys I take flyer on later in draft 

Zappe

Coan

and I have been watching more of Kaleb Eleby  and I like what I see  , real nice arm , offers a lot to work with 

Do the OL experts with a good memory think Kelce is as good a C as Peters was a LT, and how would they be placed among all-timers at their respective positions?

16 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Andrews.

That's who I would have said.

Dude had HOF talent, interesting that people would rip him for his struggles with mental health to today where Lane ,Brookes are able to openly talk about it and not get lambasted like Andrews was.

 

As long as Stoutland is on the Eagles staff, does it make sense to draft an offensive lineman early? Just ask him who he wants on Day 3, then make it happen.

Just now, Saltpeter said:

Do the OL experts with a good memory think Kelce is as good a C as Peters was a LT, and how would they be placed among all-timers at their respective positions?

All time eagles or all time in NFL?

If in NFL I'd say Kelce is a better all time Center than Peters is an all time tackle.

If all time eagles, Kelce I think I'd say  is best eagles center of all time Peters I'm not sure is best OT of all time but definitely in the conversation.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Do the OL experts with a good memory think Kelce is as good a C as Peters was a LT, and how would they be placed among all-timers at their respective positions?

I think there have been more dominant LT than there have been C in the NFL.

Just look at the Eagles.  Tra Thomas, JP, Mailata well on his way.  The Eagles haven't had a center in the same hemisphere as Kelce.

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

The cars he steals outside of jail cost the tax payers a lot more money then throwing away the key and keeping him there

People stealing cars isn't driven by the number people inclined to steal a car but the economic gain of stealing a car. It costs about $35,000 a year to keep someone in jail and it's more like $42,000 in PA.  This is money spent outside of the cost of policing and prosecution.  Keeping your neighbor in jail won't stop car thefts because there's a market for the cars and parts. As long as there's a market, someone is going to steal the cars.  Someone else will just step in to fill the market.  The money would be better invested elsewhere to limit the market or change the market conditions where car theft is seen as a viable and preferable occupation.  

42 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Pretty sure I did and not as impressed. I don't really recall anything specific about him.  I don't think I have him on the list for us (for me). 

I watched him awhile back and he didn’t run with any lean. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think there have been more dominant LT than there have been C in the NFL.

Just look at the Eagles.  Tra Thomas, JP, Mailata well on his way.  The Eagles haven't had a center in the same hemisphere as Kelce.

Id put Lane in that conversation for best eagles OT as well