31 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Where did i say they were? I said if they believe that then go make the move. I never said i did.

All I’ve said to you repeatedly is that you shouldn’t just assume or hope a quarterback‘s just gonna magically fall from the football god once the team‘s built cause they just always acquirable when you do that. Hope and assuming isn’t definite to happen. My point to you has consistently been if you love a quarterback and truly love and think he’s special then you should go get him. Nowhere in there did I mention Carson strong or Pickett. Have you seen me say either were special ever? I know I haven’t. I like both of them. I don’t love either. I wouldn’t take them either in the first round especially not until i know strong’s medical evaluation. 

And my point is if Hurt can take you to 9-10 wins next year with a couple additions on offense, you don't spend a lot to upgrade to a veteran who'll get you to 11 wins and a 2nd rd exit - if you can't get a real difference maker at the right price, be patient. Same with drafting a QB, reaching for a guy because you want a "passer" is fool's gold.

You build the team and wait for the right opportunity to present itself - QBs come available on a regular basis, but it's a lot easier winning with a good veteran and a great team than finding an elite QB (b/c teams don't let them go unless there are extenuating circumstances), or getting an opportunity to draft one.

I'm glad Lurie said it was a five year process, that means they're not going to jump on the first minor upgrade that comes along and overpay just to make the playoffs - they're focused on building a team.

Give Hurts a power running back, a reliable WR instead of Reagor, a H-back and shore up the OL. Put him in a position where he just has to be more consistent making the routine plays,and can use his legs to make 3 or 4 key scrambles/designed runs a game. Dump the RPO and have him work out of the pocket - where his scrambling ability puts pressure on a defense. Work on his mechanics in general, but especially throwing when rolling left to break tendencies. Then let's see how far he can take them while they build a top ten defense that can make game winning plays and not merely bend and hope they don't break.

If Hurts isn't the guy, once you've built a young, deep team, it's much easier to package a couple 1st rd picks to get a QB - picking in the 20s, they probably won't start for you right away, and if you've built young depth, you have guys on the roster who can step up and fill holes. So you can make that deal without hurting the team.

55 minutes ago, austinfan said:

And my point is if Hurt can take you to 9-10 wins next year with a couple additions on offense, you don't spend a lot to upgrade to a veteran who'll get you to 11 wins and a 2nd rd exit - if you can't get a real difference maker at the right price, be patient. Same with drafting a QB, reaching for a guy because you want a "passer" is fool's gold.

You build the team and wait for the right opportunity to present itself - QBs come available on a regular basis, but it's a lot easier winning with a good veteran and a great team than finding an elite QB (b/c teams don't let them go unless there are extenuating circumstances), or getting an opportunity to draft one.

I'm glad Lurie said it was a five year process, that means they're not going to jump on the first minor upgrade that comes along and overpay just to make the playoffs - they're focused on building a team.

Give Hurts a power running back, a reliable WR instead of Reagor, a H-back and shore up the OL. Put him in a position where he just has to be more consistent making the routine plays,and can use his legs to make 3 or 4 key scrambles/designed runs a game. Dump the RPO and have him work out of the pocket - where his scrambling ability puts pressure on a defense. Work on his mechanics in general, but especially throwing when rolling left to break tendencies. Then let's see how far he can take them while they build a top ten defense that can make game winning plays and not merely bend and hope they don't break.

If Hurts isn't the guy, once you've built a young, deep team, it's much easier to package a couple 1st rd picks to get a QB - picking in the 20s, they probably won't start for you right away, and if you've built young depth, you have guys on the roster who can step up and fill holes. So you can make that deal without hurting the team.

Again you keep bringing this up and I keep telling you might not have those assets at that particular time a team wants to trade up to get that quarterback. There might not be a quarterback there that you really love and want to get at that time. There might be a team that has better assets and gets the player you want cause they are also on the market. I haven’t even mentioned you might fail at building up the roster to make that move then  

you just assume there’s going to be a team willing to do that with you or quarterback that you’re able to just acquire or actually one available you truly covet/love. Legitimately there were reports they were trying to trade up to get zack Wilson this past offseason. they couldn’t pull that trigger because the team didn’t wanna trade back because they wanted the same player. That very well could happen again. You ignore and dismiss the fact those situations can also occur even if you build the  roster correctly

so you might not be able to acquire that QB even if you are ready at that point in time. and they might be able to get one at that time. But it’s not 100% given they just get a QB then cause you want it then. It’s why I keep telling you if there’s a quarterback there that you love, he’s obtainable and you can actually acquire him with some of your assets right now then you do it. If you don’t love him and you really don’t covet him that much then don’t make the move and build roster.

my belief is if there is a quarterback out there this off-season that the eagles are in love with and infatuated with they should go get him.  I have no clue if there’s a quarterback via trade or the draft the eagles feel that way about. All I know is, if they do feel that way about a QB this offseason, they would be foolish to not try to get him because of the theory one will just eventually come along again that they feel that way about. 

7 hours ago, SB52 said:

It’s been 20+ years of time management gaffes, yet Andy Reid called a timeout before challenging. That’s almost unbelievable.

It’s not the first time he’s done that either. 

It's only acceptable to build around Hurts. We can't take Strong (as an example) in the first and also use the other picks to build the team. That's illegal.

Jalen Hurts is the ultimate team building QB. You can only build a team with him on it moving forward.

8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What did Randall Cobb do to finally piss off Rodgers? 

Left.

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

If you believe Strong or Pickett are going to be special, you probably believe that a Nigerian prince is going to give you a million dollars if you just send a couple thousand to a bank account in Lagos.

They might turn out to be starting NFL QBs in a few years, they're extremely unlikely to be top ten QBs (i.e. better than Hurts), the odds are they're going to be flops. Throwing pretty passes isn't good enough, you have to throw them to the right team.

Yes, if you really believe you have identified a "special" QB you should nab him, but in reality, teams delude themselves all the time, reach in the 1st rd for a 2nd rd talent, and end up looking for another QB three years later.

Honestly, they don't need to be top ten to be better than Hurts.  Eagles drafted Wentz in 2016 and Hurts in 2020 and are still looking for a QB.  Eagles are entrenched in the deluded club.  Some will say that death and taxes are our only known absolutes, I reduce that to death while adding that acquiring  top 10 QB is absolutely difficult. 

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

Let's see, i watched Hurts stink it up in a PO game, M Jones, Murray stink it up, the walking God Mahomes stink it up for the second half with the season on the line, same with Garopollo with eight years in the league. Watson scored all of 7 points in his first PO game.

Maybe it's tough to play in the playoffs?

I don't think Hurts is the savior, but I guarantee if you start Pickett or Strong you're not winning more than 6 games next year. Even top QBs generally struggle as rookies, and these guys aren't top QB prospects. Trade for Wilson and you'll win 10-11 games and come up short in the playoffs when a good defense takes away his scrambles and the deep pass and forces him to throw from the pocket where he can't see underneath. Rodgers is 39 and just had a PO game where his team scored 10 points - but defenses can't stop elite QBs, I'm told.

It's not that you can't do better than Hurts, you just can't get the guy who can carry this team - you need a better team, then get a better QB.

Stop focusing on 2022 so much.  

As for the final line... you get the better QB when the better QB is available to be gotten.  That doesn't happen all the time.  And it's a pipe dream to think that in the moment you think you are finally ready for the QB, that the one you covet will just happen to be available.   That's not how the NFL works.  

I have no interest in trading for any of these QBs, because I don't like to pay twice for the same asset.  If they were free agents, fine.  But having to trade for them AND pay them their bloated salaries is a death knell to really building the rest of the team.  Meanwhile, there is more risk involved in drafting a QB, but you have the luxury of the QB on a rookie deal, so you can afford to buy an extra player or three.   I don't know that Strong is the answer, but I know that Hurts isn't.

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This whole argument is so stupid. If you think the guy can be your QB long term you take him regardless. 

Yup.

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No no no you just pass up on him even if you love him and think he can be special because you just assume that over the next couple years there’s gonna be another quarterback that comes along... that you are in position to acquire.

You forgot the really hard part.

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I love the "build the team first” crowd that keeps pointing to the Rams and Bucs as prime examples. Except both used the 1st overall pick on QBs, built around them, and then pivoted off them when they came to the realization they weren’t good enough. I’d love one example of someone that purely built the team first and then addressed the QB. 

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Pickett has to do hand exercises so he doesn’t measure below 8 inches. He might as well just wear gloves and stuff a cucumber in there for his measurement. 

What are you talking about?    

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

If you believe Strong or Pickett are going to be special, you probably believe that a Nigerian prince is going to give you a million dollars if you just send a couple thousand to a bank account in Lagos.

They might turn out to be starting NFL QBs in a few years, they're extremely unlikely to be top ten QBs (i.e. better than Hurts), the odds are they're going to be flops. Throwing pretty passes isn't good enough, you have to throw them to the right team.

Yes, if you really believe you have identified a "special" QB you should nab him, but in reality, teams delude themselves all the time, reach in the 1st rd for a 2nd rd talent, and end up looking for another QB three years later.

Please tell us exactly how many games you've watched of either.

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

When you take Donald in the 4th round and Kupp in the 3rd round, who needs 1st round picks?

Dude... 

He was the 13th overall pick.    Stop making things up.

15 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Is that from PFF? Don't forget the "should have been longer" category.

5 hours ago, austinfan said:

And my point is if Hurt can take you to 9-10 wins next year with a couple additions on offense, you don't spend a lot to upgrade to a veteran who'll get you to 11 wins and a 2nd rd exit - if you can't get a real difference maker at the right price, be patient. Same with drafting a QB, reaching for a guy because you want a "passer" is fool's gold.

You build the team and wait for the right opportunity to present itself - QBs come available on a regular basis, but it's a lot easier winning with a good veteran and a great team than finding an elite QB (b/c teams don't let them go unless there are extenuating circumstances), or getting an opportunity to draft one.

I'm glad Lurie said it was a five year process, that means they're not going to jump on the first minor upgrade that comes along and overpay just to make the playoffs - they're focused on building a team.

Give Hurts a power running back, a reliable WR instead of Reagor, a H-back and shore up the OL. Put him in a position where he just has to be more consistent making the routine plays,and can use his legs to make 3 or 4 key scrambles/designed runs a game. Dump the RPO and have him work out of the pocket - where his scrambling ability puts pressure on a defense. Work on his mechanics in general, but especially throwing when rolling left to break tendencies. Then let's see how far he can take them while they build a top ten defense that can make game winning plays and not merely bend and hope they don't break.

If Hurts isn't the guy, once you've built a young, deep team, it's much easier to package a couple 1st rd picks to get a QB - picking in the 20s, they probably won't start for you right away, and if you've built young depth, you have guys on the roster who can step up and fill holes. So you can make that deal without hurting the team.

Describe for us the "additions on offense" that would help Hurts . Receivers already get open, and he likes to run more than the running backs. The oline is solid, how about we get a qb that can actually throw the ball and use what's left to build the defense and offense

 

8 hours ago, austinfan said:

Let's see, i watched Hurts stink it up in a PO game, M Jones, Murray stink it up, the walking God Mahomes stink it up for the second half with the season on the line, same with Garopollo with eight years in the league. Watson scored all of 7 points in his first PO game.

Maybe it's tough to play in the playoffs?

I don't think Hurts is the savior, but I guarantee if you start Pickett or Strong you're not winning more than 6 games next year. Even top QBs generally struggle as rookies, and these guys aren't top QB prospects. Trade for Wilson and you'll win 10-11 games and come up short in the playoffs when a good defense takes away his scrambles and the deep pass and forces him to throw from the pocket where he can't see underneath. Rodgers is 39 and just had a PO game where his team scored 10 points - but defenses can't stop elite QBs, I'm told.

It's not that you can't do better than Hurts, you just can't get the guy who can carry this team - you need a better team, then get a better QB.

Are you really so thick in the head that you can't see the talent difference between Hurts and everyone else you've mentioned? Seriously?  

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Are you really so thick in the head that you can't see the talent difference between Hurts and everyone else you've mentioned? Seriously?  

It is when he clings to these kinds of takes, says that Aaron Donald was a 4th round pick, etc. that makes some people believe he's a troll.   Frankly, if I didn't have more of a historical perspective of him, I likely would think that too.  

8 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

 It’s so weird to have such small hands, for any man, especially one that’s 6’3”.  I’m 6’1” and I hit 9 1/2” with gnarled fingers from plumbing for 25 years. 

 

Try using tools

Ridder with the biggest hands in the QB class at 10”, although after Pickett spends the next few weeks stretching his stubby sausage fingers he just miiiiight hit 9”. Looking forward to the game Saturday. 
 

EDIT: Faalele gets the annual "Best Hugger” Award with an 86 1/4” wingspan…his wingspan is longer than his monstrous height which is insane. This guy can’t play guard. Hurts would need to stand on Boston Scott’s shoulders to see. 

9 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

another day, another TDN article about Rambo

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/charleston-rambo-shrine-bowl-highlights-nfl-draft

Weird how he went to Miami and got no publicity at all.  I blame that more on the downfall of UM football.  Rambo is going to be a solid to very good pro.  Someone is going to get a steal with him.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Weird how he went to Miami and got no publicity at all.  I blame that more on the downfall of UM football.  Rambo is going to be a solid to very good pro.  Someone is going to get a steal with him.

@downundermike and I have been in on him in mocks for a while. He will be a great grab at 121, and a ridiculous steal in the 5th or later. 

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Ridder with the biggest hands in the QB class at 10”, although after Pickett spends the next few weeks stretching his stubby sausage fingers he just miiiiight hit 9”. Looking forward to the game Saturday. 
 

EDIT: Faalele gets the annual "Best Hugger” Award with an 86 1/4” wingspan…his wingspan is longer than his monstrous height which is insane. This guy can’t play guard. Hurts would need to stand on Boston Scott’s shoulders to see. 

Must be related to the ephs

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

@downundermike and I have been in on him in mocks for a while. He will be a great grab at 121, and a ridiculous steal in the 5th or later. 

He's a poor man's Chris Olave.  I love both of these guys but the only drawback is the Eagles would probably be the only team in NFL history with 2 starting WR hovering around 170 lbs. 

21 minutes ago, greend said:

Describe for us the "additions on offense" that would help Hurts . Receivers already get open, and he likes to run more than the running backs. The oline is solid, how about we get a qb that can actually throw the ball and use what's left to build the defense and offense

13 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Ridder with the biggest hands in the QB class at 10”, although after Pickett spends the next few weeks stretching his stubby sausage fingers he just miiiiight hit 9”. Looking forward to the game Saturday. 
 

EDIT: Faalele gets the annual "Best Hugger” Award with an 86 1/4” wingspan…his wingspan is longer than his monstrous height which is insane. This guy can’t play guard. Hurts would need to stand on Boston Scott’s shoulders to see. 

What did Strong measure?

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Reading posts from some of the few remaining people who think Hurts can be good enough, reminds me of this:

"it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool , than to speak and remove all doubt"

 

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Honestly, they don't need to be top ten to be better than Hurts.  Eagles drafted Wentz in 2016 and Hurts in 2020 and are still looking for a QB.  Eagles are entrenched in the deluded club.  Some will say that death and taxes are our only known absolutes, I reduce that to death while adding that acquiring  top 10 QB is absolutely difficult. 

That’s how you know his entire argument is completely disingenuous.  Hurts was a 3rd round graded prospect, yet his position is the 1st round graded prospects from this draft have as much chance of being better than Hurts as "A Nigerian Prince handing you millions of dollars”.  
 

He’s completely married to his original position — whatever that was — to the point of wandering into absurdity to defend it.