3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I get it but I said it a few nights ago.  The rule makes black coaches (and I say black because as Eugene Chung eluded to, he's the wrong minority) pawns. Internal or external, they might be interviewed to meet a quota.  

I also posted yesterday that the truth is, a lot of your black players who retire, generally don't get in to coaching but they would either go back to what they came from or they might invest in some sort of business.  2015 study showed that 80% of retired players are broke within 3 years.

What the league needs, and maybe they do is a direct line for retiring players to get involved in coaching.  An intern program specifically for retired players who want to coach.  The minute you retire, you enter your name in to the intern program and are assigned to a team.

I'm not sure how the Eagles intern coaches work but we saw Jason Avant do it....but he's podcasting now.  Did he give it a go and say it's not for me or was there no other opportunity for him to progress?  Maybe he just wasn't good at coaching.  

The more players realize that coaching is an option when they are done playing the more will hopefully get involved.  This will allow the natural progression to occur.  DeMeco Ryans and Jarod Mayo are going to be head coaches sooner than later.  It's a natural progression because they retired, got in to coaching and are proving that they are going to be good coaches.  It also has nothing to do with race.  Same goes for Josh McCown.

The league also has to ask themselves, how many black coaches do you need to be happy with the outcome?  Do you go by population percentage or NFL player percentage?  

Black men make up 13% of the United States.  If we go by that, then 4 out 32 coaches is on par with our population.  If you go by the NFL, 57% of the players are black so 18 coaches would have to be black.  

No doubt there is racism in the USA and in the NFL.  However, you'd be led to believe it's the driving force making our country and the league run when the reality is, it's not.  The media, many government officials and large corporations NEED racism because it's the only thing they have to point their fingers at to keep us divided.  When their is blatant racism (Whoopi Goldberg) the only thing that matters is what side of the aisle you're on.

I hope we get past all of this sooner than later.  We need to come together and realize what's driving all of this madness. 

Part of what makes a player a good coach is film study.  So, right away, some percentage of the player population is eliminated from being a good coach, because they see film study as a chore, not as something they are hungry to do.   Ryans was always considered 'a coach on the field', so its not surprising that he'd be a good coach, as a coach.   But, what about the uber-talented type defensive player that really just got by on talent?  Are they going to be a good coach?  You want DRC running your defense?  I know I don't.   

Next on the list is communication and patience.  Does that former player have the ability to communicate what they want their player to do?  Were they a technician as a player where they really studied what they did so that they could improve it, or were they by and large getting by on pure athletics rather than technique?  Randy Moss versus Jason Avant.  Moss didn't have to have great technique because of all his other gifts.  Avant, on the other hand, had to be a technician, because he was limited in those areas that Moss was gifted.  But, just having the know-how, doesn't mean you can communicate it.   

And lastly, there's the hours.  NFL coaching is a LOT of hours.  Do they want to put in the work it takes to be a coach?   A lot of coaches were coaches for a long time by the time they have reached 35 years old.  They go into coaching at 22, 23 years old, right out of college because they love the game, but didn't have the athleticism to keep playing, or were injured. So, they become graduate assistants in the collegiate ranks, and then slowly make their way up the ladder to the NFL.  And it takes them a decade or two to get there.  Is an ex-NFL player going to want to take that path?  And the grad assistants in college get paid almost nothing.  Their payment is really about the networking that they are able to do, the experience they are gaining, etc.  But, again, does an ex-NFL player want to do that?  The number interested seems fairly low.

 

BUT, I do like the idea of the coaching internships for ex-players... but that already exists at the collegiate level.  A lot of these coaches go from playing as a Senior, right into coaching as a grad assistant the following year or two.  But, at 22 years old, your going to be willing to do something a little different than at 32 after making roughly million dollars a year or more in the NFL.  Do you want that harder lifestyle, or do you want your free time that you got used to in the offseason as a player?

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

This is why you organize your contacts in your phone by the last name....not the first name.  

Belichek seems to be some sort of savant.  He's got no social skills, and likely no organizational skills outside the realm of football.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hail to the Commando's.....Command Strips.....Commanders.....oh yeah....cool...

They should have gone with Groundhogs.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

My man killing it , steal 

 

I'd take him at SS. Sign one of Bates/Williams to pair up. Quandre Diggs would be my third option if they don't want to pay top money to one of these two. Starting safety is done. Next. Howie will flub it up though, we all know. Who cares about defense. He will bring back Will Parks who he was in love with... 

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

As bad as Commanders is....it's ten times better than the WFT.  

Commanders is the worst team name in the NFL, prett easily. WFT was that stupid holdover name but to settle on Commanders in which seemed like forever, is a massive fail.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Do you want that harder lifestyle, or do you want your free time that you got used to in the offseason as a player?

HUGE factor.  Being a player....you work out, study film, practice and make sure you're at the top of your game.

To be a coach, it might require 15-17 hour days of preparation, film study, scouting and 100 other things.  How many players want to invest that time after they retire?

Coaching isn't for everyone that's for sure.  

The NFL minimum salary is $610,00 and the average career is 3 years.  Let's say that average player makes $1.8 and after taxes let's say he's bringing home between $1.1-$1.3 million after 3 years.  Keep in mind, this is the minimum so there are plenty of guys who have made much more.

Position coaches MIGHT be in the $200,000/year range.  How many players want to take a 33% pay cut to put in more hours, with more responsibilities when they could probably make a livable wage from investing their salaries, making appearances and such. 

There are 32 head coaches, 64 coordinators and similar numbers for position coaches.  The NFL coaching tree is one of the most exclusive clubs out there with very few opportunities.  There might be 5-7 openings per year and of those guys hired, you know damn well they have plans for who they want and those plans don't care what race you are.  They consist of which me can I surround myself with to be a successful NFL coach.

 

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Unsure if it's specific organization or league wide but this is already in place. 

Eddie Royal(bears "fame") did it with the Eagles as did Jason Avant. 

Ironically enough, I believe both quit and said it was ruining their  lifestyle and the stress wasnt worth it 

See my long post.  I'm not sure if it's league run or team run either but there are opportunities.  I think the NFL needs to make them more attractive for ex-players though.

Like you said, Jason Avant gave it a shot and said nope.  Now he has a podcast.  There's one less potential black coach because coaching wasn't for him.

12 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I'd take him at SS. Sign one of Bates/Williams to pair up. Quandre Diggs would be my third option if the don't want to pay top money to one of these two. Starting safety is done. Next. Howie will flub it up though, we all know. Who cares about defense. 

Pitre is a prototype modern safety. He’s a cover guy who can also tackle and blitz. I worry about his size, though.

I still can’t believe the number of REALLY good 2nd/3rd round prospects in this draft.

40 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Flores got an interview.  The Giants made no decision and no announcement, and no hire, until Flores had his interview.  He had an opportunity to go in and ‘wow’ them and help them re-think which way they were leaning with Daboll.  He didn’t get it done.

Flores didn’t get the Giants HC job; it went to someone Joe Schein had significant experience working with.  Flores had never even been a coordinator before the Dolphins handed him a head coaching job.  Where was the complaining from other more qualified candidates when Flores got hired?

Flores is still under consideration for the Texans and Saints head coaching vacancies — yet he’s going to file suit against the NFL and 3 of its organizations while still interviewing for jobs?  Absolutely ludicrous.  He has absolutely no case against the Giants — they hired the best qualified candidate who the General Manager has a history of working with.  He has absolutely no case against the Broncos — kind of disgusting that he would accuse the hiring managers of being "disheveled” for the interview, or make that public.

If he wants to sue Ross and the Dolphins for wrongful dismissal, that might be another matter — but that’s where he should have confined it.  The smart thing to do would have been to wait until the hiring cycle was concluded.  Now he comes off as exactly what he complained the Dolphins ‘falsely’ portrayed him as — difficult.

Yeah I think Flores has a case against the dolphins, the other stuff is just how lawsuits go. You throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, ad this one isnt even about the money.

9 hours ago, Allhaildawk said:

You get a lot of enjoyment out of obvious autocorrect. 

Now I'm wondering who it was before auto correct?

36 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

As bad as Commanders is....it's ten times better than the WFT.  

Fans are pissed.  I think WFT was starting to grow on people.  It was lame, but kind of catchy.  People wanted Red Wolves, Red Hogs, Warthogs, something like that.  You get rid of the name, but kind of keep a bit of the tradition (the hogs and all that).  "Commanders" is just plain bad.  Nobody wanted it.  No ties to anything in the organization.  It's just bad.  

Whatever.   I feel a bit for my friends who actually still support this team, but it's great for us.

15 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Pitre is a prototype modern safety. He’s a cover guy who can also tackle and blitz. I worry about his size, though.

I still can’t believe the number of REALLY good 2nd/3rd round prospects in this draft.

It's why I want to trade back trying to grab another 2nd rounder. So many needs...15 to 22 or so should net that extra 2nd. 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

So he can make them lose? SF wins with a QB in that game.

 

42 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It was actually called the 'Giant Beaver'.  

That would fall under Rodent of Unusual Size

 

27 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Here's the boards #1 Hot Taker's mock draft. Realistic one too(not where we get Kenny Pickett 87th overall cause the website sucks)

#15 - Carson Strong

#16 Nakobe Dean

#19 David Ojabo

#51. Andrew Booth Jr(clemson corner)

#83 Sam Williams,  Ole' Miss. Great Talent, probably 2nd round talent, but off field issues, 

121 - Charlie Kolar

Then not to get specific, Load me up with OL/DL and a running back

Do you think Strong will be athletic enough? Seeing his game reps vs. career highlights are a little different, in terms of seeing what he does best. A lot is scripted (not as much as some others though)

3 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

Yeah I think Flores has a case against the dolphins, the other stuff is just how lawsuits go. You throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, ad this one isnt even about the money.

They built it as a class action lawsuit. I think the hope is to get other people to sign on and scare the NFL into settling. Otherwise most of it is just conjecture. 

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Mafe another player I like 

really nice edge class

 

Apparently Mafe has a 40 inch vert, pretty impressive for a guy his size, shows explosiveness.

1 minute ago, matchew88 said:

So he can make them lose? SF wins with a QB in that game.

He says he wants to go to a winning situation.  Is there any "winning situations" that want / need an overpaid average QB?

1 hour ago, RLC said:

 

Because teams were interviewing internal candidates with zero intention of hiring them (ex: Staley when we hired Pederson).

It's easy to say racism is bad. This is a real problem. No one wants to do anything about it, so racism persists. I dislike the Rooney rule too, but I'm waiting for a better alternative.

And now they're interviewing external candidates with zero intention of hiring them. The better alternative is to interview people you want to hire. 

2 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

So he can make them lose? SF wins with a QB in that game.

 

That would fall under Rodent of Unusual Size

 

Do you think Strong will be athletic enough? Seeing his game reps vs. career highlights are a little different, in terms of seeing what he does best. A lot is scripted (not as much as some others though)

There was a clip of him at the senior bowl talking about his functional mobility in the pocket.

It shows him stepping up on the pocket again st the rush then he runs forward in the pocket some more and fires a laser off one foot.

He's not going to be a guy who runs out of the pocket and extend plays but he has shown enough functional mobility inside the pocket to avoid the rush and throw the ball.

56 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The answer is people's hearts need to change.  You can't legislate that.  That's not how it works.  Racist people are racist.  Legislating it changes behavior, not attitudes, and if there's a hoop to jump through, they will jump through it and then do what they wanted to in the first place. 

Is it racist that Daboll was hired over Flores?  Is that shocking to anyone given that the Giants just hired a GM from the Bills organization?   Nope, not even a little bit.  It only hints of racism because of the rule, not the actual turn of events.    Meanwhile, Daboll was a candidate with other teams as well, so the Giants had to move quickly to lock him up.  

Racism and systemic racism aren't the same thing. 

Legislation does work BTW. If it didn't, you wouldn't see certain groups screaming about legislating critical race theory. 

At least we're not the ones being sued.

YUCK.  Worse than I imagined.  Who thought this was a good design?  

6 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

Do you think Strong will be athletic enough? Seeing his game reps vs. career highlights are a little different, in terms of seeing what he does best. A lot is scripted (not as much as some others though)

He was playing on a bad knee this year. I’m assuming that hurt his accuracy and mobility in some of the 2021 games you’ve seen. As someone stated in IWTETG, his concerns probably deal more with medical than ability.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

My man killing it , steal 

 

Hes definitely flying up to the top of round 2 unfortunately. I really like this kid.

48 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

YUCK.  Worse than I imagined.  Who thought this was a good design?  

They have two helmets? I actually think the black and white jerseys are ok, maroon helmet too. The commanders name to me though just ruins it all. 

11 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

Do you think Strong will be athletic enough? Seeing his game reps vs. career highlights are a little different, in terms of seeing what he does best. A lot is scripted (not as much as some others though)

How athletic does he have to be to be a QB?   How athletic was Brady?  How athletic was Manning?  How athletic was Marino?

A QB that knows how to manipulate the pocket is what is required to be 'athletic enough' in the NFL.   All that other stuff is gravy for a QB who can throw... all that other stuff becomes a crutch for a QB that can't throw.

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

They have two helmets? I actually think the black and white jerseys are ok, maroon helmet too. The commanders to me though the ruins it all. 

Black and yellow uni looks like a Steelers uni?

4 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

They have two helmets? I actually think the black and white jerseys are ok, maroon helmet too. The commanders to me though the ruins it all. 

The black jerseys look ridiculously dumb, as @bpac55 noted earlier. Just makes no sense at all.