4 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Upon further review, I’ve got him clearly behind Belichick, McDermott, Tomlin, Vrabel, Reid, Harbaugh, McVay, and Payton.

IMO, he’s in the group with Arians, Shanahan, Reich, and Rivera.

Longevity counts... he's behind all 4 of the bottom.   One year doesn't catapult a HC to top 10 status when you are playing the weakest schedule in the NFL.

What happened that Hargrave went from starting the season better than Aaron Donald to having completely disappeared? Did teams stop doubling Cox and start doubling him?

Just now, SB52 said:

What happened that Hargrave went from starting the season better than Aaron Donald to having completely disappeared? Did teams stop doubling Cox and start doubling him?

Yes

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Problem is, you need to loosen the defense up a little.  And they don't trust Hurts in making throws downfield.....because HE CAN'T!  If the players are pissed them be pissed at Hurts and the coaches.  I am sure smart guys like Devonte Smith and the lineman can see that.  

We should get into that more.....🙂

Like...is it him having to poop? Is he just showing off his offseason squat program in game? What other QB does that? 

15 hours ago, downundermike said:

I did not know you were an Aussie.

I'm not, the wording on the post could gave alluded that I was - depending on how you read it.  I know plenty of people down there, but I'm not of them (thankfully ).

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That was talked about ad nauseum the other night.  @eagle45 and I were told it was no big deal and it was being over-blown.  We were also told that it wasn't a "tell" for the defense since it was obviously in advance of a mesh-read/zone play.  The great coaching staff must not have picked up on it yet.  

Oh I missed that. Yes, it's an obvious tell, it's ridiculous. 

 

Please have Harbaugh go to the Giants. Would immediately raise their floor, but lower their ceiling.

30 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Do yourself a favour, and go back into hiding. 

 

 

Go back into hiding? What? 

I’m surprised no team has pulled the trigger on a néw HC ,it’s not like they had to wait to interview 

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

maybe they call those plays because it's what Hurts can complete.  It requires him to take a minimum drop and make one decision.  Doesn't give Hurts the option to bail out of the pocket.  They are play calls to make it easy for Hurts.

 

Those plays didn't work early in the season.  The get the ball to Reagor behind the line of scrimmage did not work all season when they ran it every game.  They had a dominating offensive line and needed to establish their dominance through the running game but instead they reverted back to this ugly ineffective RPO offense that did not work early in the year. 

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oh I missed that. Yes, it's an obvious tell, it's ridiculous. 

I checked. He does the squat every play - 1-back, 2-back, empty set. It’s his thing I guess - although not a ‘tell’.

The other argument is that he can’t see over the line pre-snap. He stands straight, looks around, goes into the squat (which sometimes helps with low snaps, not sure if it helps with the RB mesh).

Again, this seems like making a mountain out of molehill when there are plenty of other aspects of his game to be dissatisfied with… this is just a newer point to argue.

14 hours ago, austinfan said:

Witten did it his entire career, didn't seem to hurt his productivity as a WR - and a good run blocking TE can slip by the LBs easier than a glorified WR.

So, is Witten the exception or the rule?

Stop, just stop with these anecdotal arguments. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Remember, Wentz had an elite season under his belt by that time.  We'd seen what he could be at his best...   What have we actually seen from Hurts as a QB?  

.  every now and then I read those posts from folks I'd put on ignore to give them another chance.   But, you are right... I should have known better with him.  

I don’t disagree with you. But the reason why we have these fans doing it is cause they desperately want a franchise QB so they blindly ignore what they see and just want to defend so they can’t anoint. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree with you. But the reason why we have these fans doing it is cause they desperately want a franchise QB so they blindly ignore what they see and just want to defend so they can’t anoint. 

I also desperately want a franchise QB.  Wentz showed himself to be a franchise QB in 2017... looked pretty good in 2018... drug the limping corpse of an offense to the playoffs in 2019... then collapsed in 2020.  

 

11 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

Hmmmm I’m guessing he probably would prefer the giants job between the two because he wouldn’t have to face Justin herbert and mahomes for the next decade. Plus giants have 2 high firsts. I’m guessing harbaugh believes he can make daniel jones a good QB and fix their oline issues. 

I do not want Harbaugh with the Giants.   I just can't deal with his antics on the sidelines twice a year.

37 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I think Strong  ends up 3rd or 4th QB drafted , heck of a arm , but a sitting target back there , I just watched some more of him , game cut ups not highlight reels  , he isn’t asked to read the D , predetermined throws , rarely do I see him going through progressions  , ball is snapped and he is staring his receiver down waiting on him  , kstate comes to mind 

if I was forced to draft a QB , I take Corral  , followed by Pickett , Howell , Willis 

I don't think much of Willis.  He has a strong arm but is not accurate.  He has relatively low completion percentage and a lot of INTs which are big red flags.  I think Strong will be a much better pro than him.  Howell has some of the same accuracy issues and his mechanics are a mess.  He seems mechanically very inconsistent.  I like Pickett.  I am unconvinced about Corral but he has a better arm than Pickett.  I like Corral but I am concerned about his pocket presence and his size relative to the number of hits he takes.  He does not seem to protect himself when he runs.  He takes off to run maybe sooner than he should.  

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

maybe they call those plays because it's what Hurts can complete.  It requires him to take a minimum drop and make one decision.  Doesn't give Hurts the option to bail out of the pocket.  They are play calls to make it easy for Hurts.

They were terrible play calls.  They were exactly the plays that haven't worked all season.  Running inside would have worked much more just look at the holes they were opening up front.  Even on that run where Sanders missed the ginormous cut back lane they had it blocked well.  Run that play 3 more times and Sanders is sure to hit one of those times for a big run.  That's what they didn't do. Criticizing Sirianni is deserved.  He came up small. Hurts also pooped the bed and was worse than expected. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I also desperately want a franchise QB.  Wentz showed himself to be a franchise QB in 2017... looked pretty good in 2018... drug the limping corpse of an offense to the playoffs in 2019... then collapsed in 2020.  

 

I would argue his 2018 statistically looked better than what he played. He was up and down and inconsistent week to week which frankly was probably because he had the back fracture most of the season. His 2019 his last 5 weeks was incredible. But his first 11 weeks was solid not spectacular. That said there were times in 2019 he was not good and people made excuses for him. And then 2020 came crumbling down on him. 

that said there were times where I believe we should’ve made Less excuses than we did on him. That doesn’t mean I thought he thought he wasnt good or that he hadnt been a franchise quarterback. But there was definitely times where we overlooked things and made excuses when we should’ve been harder on him. I think you’re seeing it again with Jalen hurts that people will blindly pass excuses off because they want the franchise quarterback to succeed so bad. And I would agree hurts has done far less than Carson did to prove what he was but fans will make excuses to deflect the issues that need to be discussed and put the onus on others. 

 

29 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oh I missed that. Yes, it's an obvious tell, it's ridiculous. 

It wasn’t a tell. He did it on straight dropbacks too. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would argue his 2018 statistically looked better than what he played. He was up and down and inconsistent week to week which frankly was probably because he had the back fracture most of the season. His 2019 his last 5 weeks was incredible. But his first 11 weeks was solid not spectacular. That said there were times in 2019 he was not good and people made excuses for him. And then 2020 came crumbling down on him. 

that said there were times where I believe we should’ve made Less excuses than we did on him. That doesn’t mean I thought he thought he wasnt good or that he hadnt been a franchise quarterback. But there was definitely times where we overlooked things and made excuses when we should’ve been harder on him. I think you’re seeing it again with Jalen hurts that people will blindly pass excuses off because they want the franchise quarterback to succeed so bad. And I would agree hurts has done far less than Carson did to prove what he was but fans will make excuses to deflect the issues that need to be discussed and put the onus on others. 

I don't argue any of that.  Clearly, he has never been the same guy he was in 2017.  It's been a steady decline, until 2020 when it finally bottomed out.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

I think Strong  ends up 3rd or 4th QB drafted , heck of a arm , but a sitting target back there , I just watched some more of him , game cut ups not highlight reels  , he isn’t asked to read the D , predetermined throws , rarely do I see him going through progressions  , ball is snapped and he is staring his receiver down waiting on him  , kstate comes to mind 

if I was forced to draft a QB , I take Corral  , followed by Pickett , Howell , Willis 

This makes me feel better about my opinion on Strong.  Thank you.

Dane Brugler has Strong going 47th to Indy in his latest mock. 

22 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Those plays didn't work early in the season.  The get the ball to Reagor behind the line of scrimmage did not work all season when they ran it every game.  They had a dominating offensive line and needed to establish their dominance through the running game but instead they reverted back to this ugly ineffective RPO offense that did not work early in the year. 

Cause the qb is terrible