1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Rebuilt this team in 2021.   You’re relentless with your outlandish takes.  You think this team is built?   You’re proud that they scratched together 9 wins against a easy schedule with a bunch of back up QB’s?  And it still took the added 7th playoff spot for them to make it.  They clearly didn’t belong.   It’s a waste of time with you.  You look foolish.  

Aside from the fact that we don't have a QB, I'm fine with the progress the team showed this year.  OL coming along extremely well, WRs making progress, defense is just in limbo until they draft a new foundation (and it shows), but some of the young players are making progress.

We are going nowhere until we find someone who can throw the football, but some of the early rebuild moves are coming into form.

But it's still far too early to hype the rebuild progress as anything more than that.  As you said, the team is not "rebuilt" already.  They didn't belong in the playoffs and the only difference between 2021 and 2020 is the OL's progress, better injury luck, and the easiest schedule in the NFL (made even easier by facing multiple practice squad QBs...not even back up QBs).  How many QBs who will be starting in 2022 did the Eagles beat in 2021?

The Bengals had the same record last year and are in the SB.  And if anyone wants to just say "Joe Burrow," then I better not hear any more BS about Jalen Hurts.

Interesting tidbit...here is the list of opposing, starting QBs the Eagles beat with Hurts under center this year:

Matt Ryan 71.6

Sam Darnold 44.5

Goff 90.6

Bridgewatter 79.2

Trevor Siemien 74.4

Garett Gilbert 81.9

Mike Glennon 65.8

Taylor Heinecke 81.6

There is a chance that 0 to 1 of them will be starting QBs in 2022.  The only QB the Eagles defeated who will definitely start next year...was a win from Minshew (Wilson 83.9).

Remember that the next time we say Hurts took the Eagles to the playoffs.

 

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Interesting tidbit...here is the list of opposing, starting QBs the Eagles beat with Hurts under center this year:

Matt Ryan 71.6

Sam Darnold 44.5

Goff 90.6

Bridgewatter 79.2

Trevor Siemien 74.4

Garett Gilbert 81.9

Mike Glennon 65.8

Taylor Heinecke 81.6

There is a chance that 0 to 1 of them will be starting QBs in 2022.  The only QB the Eagles defeated who will definitely start next year...was a win from Minshew (Wilson 83.9).

Remember that the next time we say Hurts took the Eagles to the playoffs.

 

I didn't realize Hurts played defense.   

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I didn't realize Hurts played defense.   

The point is that the Eagles aren’t winning a game with Hurts at QB unless we are facing a non-functional offense that doesn’t put pressure on our offense to score.

You can also interpret that as our defense only keeping it tight against the dregs of the league.

But the bottom line is that…in this "playoff run”…we only beat teams that showed up expecting to lose.

Five impact players and a great returner to start the draft.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I didn't realize Hurts played defense.   

Neither do Mahomes, Josh Allen, Brady, Manning, or Foles in 52.  But when they are in shootouts against each other…it’s against each other.  And it’s telling that Hurts has practically never had a win in the NFL against a real, decent, starting qb.

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Gray measured 5-11 1/2, 182 pounds at the Senior Bowl. Mooney was 5-10, 176 at the combine. 

But really, it’s more about both being a mid-round WR who has really good speed, can separate, can win at multiple levels. 

Interesting.  I thought Gary was bigger and heavier. 

6 hours ago, Allhaildawk said:

Eh. Strong?

If we pick a QB, it should be him. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's part of my pass.  I fully expect the price to be ridiculously high... and he's 33.   Stafford at 33 cost 2 1sts, a 3rd and Goff.

 

Too rich for me.

I think part of that price was convincing Detroit to take the Goff contract. I don't really think that was exactly Staffords value.

I’m not feeling it with any QB who practiced at the senior bowl . I mentioned fliers on Coan and Barriere , Eleby would be another 

Reality is , if you’re not drafted top 30 , 40 area , the deck is stacked heavy against you . 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, DieselEagle said:

I think if you are in the eagles situation you always take the shot at the QB position.  We did it with Hurts, and maybe it didn't pan out as well as we had hoped.  So try again.  I agree we probably aren't a Russell Wilson away from being superbowl contenders, especially if we have to give up a bunch to get him.  So I'd be fine with them taking a chance on a Malik Willis or whoever they think could be that guy.  

Ridder is a better gamble imho

41 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

 

 

Well, Chip is out of the league. 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

The point is that the Eagles aren’t winning a game with Hurts at QB unless we are facing a non-functional offense that doesn’t put pressure on our offense to score.

You can also interpret that as our defense only keeping it tight against the dregs of the league.

But the bottom line is that…in this "playoff run”…we only beat teams that showed up expecting to lose.

 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Neither do Mahomes, Josh Allen, Brady, Manning, or Foles in 52.  But when they are in shootouts against each other…it’s against each other.  And it’s telling that Hurts has practically never had a win in the NFL against a real, decent, starting qb.

I get all that but since when is QB record vs other QB’s a true metric  to determine how good a QB is?  I’ve only ever really heard of it being used as a way to promote big games, rivalries between QB’s, etc.  

If you go back 20 years, how often have you heard of someone saying, "This QB only won against these QB’s”?  (Other than rivalries, etc?) 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

I get all that but since when is QB record vs other QB’s a true metric  to determine how good a QB is?  I’ve only ever really heard of it being used as a way to promote big games, rivalries between QB’s, etc.  

If you go back 20 years, how often have you heard of someone saying, "This QB only won against these QB’s”?  (Other than rivalries, etc?) 

It’s just noteworthy that Hurts has practically never won a game in the nfl in which he faced an actual starting qb…a decrepit Matt Ryan and Jared Goff being his crowning achievements.

The best argument in support of Hurts is that he’s a winner and their record turned around on his watch.

2 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

What's a reasonable price to you?  I don't want to give up 2 first round picks this draft.  I don't think it's possible but a 1st and 3rd this year, 2023 1st seems reasonable to me.  But I don't think he waves the NTC to come to Philly.  He'd love to be on this Division but for sure the Giants top his list.

Anything around the value of 2 firsts would be my absolute limit.

Don't have super strong feelings one way or another on Wilson, but the discussion about the downgrade in offensive weapons from Seattle has to also include the massive upgrade in OL a trade would involve. Wilson hasn't had consistent OL play for most of his time in Seattle, with particularly bad play recently. 

I know his play dropped recently but it's scary to think how good Wilson could have been (maybe could still be) with good pass protection. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It’s just noteworthy that Hurts has practically never won a game in the nfl in which he faced an actual starting qb…a decrepit Matt Ryan and Jared Goff being his crowning achievements.

The best argument in support of Hurts is that he’s a winner and their record turned around on his watch.

Meh.  Maybe if It happened over the course of 10 years there might be a large enough sample size for that type of argument but not after 20 or so games.  And even by your small sample size, he beat 2 QB’s that have been playoff caliber QB’s historically so your argument isn’t out to a great start. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Meh.  Maybe if It happened over the course of 10 years there might be a large enough sample size for that type of argument but not after 20 or so games.  And even by your small sample size, he beat 2 QB’s that have been playoff caliber QB’s historically so your argument isn’t out to a great start. 

So the argument that we should stick with Hurts because he won 8 games is great?

Matt Ryan and Goff historically being playoff caliber qbs is just that…history.  Neither one of them should be starting next year.  

God have you guys seen this?

Hey everyone. It looks like Shaun -- @Dawkins 20 --  passed from a blood clot.  

2 minutes ago, What The F said:

Hey everyone. It looks like Shaun -- @Dawkins 20 --  passed from a blood clot.  

Almost hard to believe when he was just here recently. Devastating.

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Agreed.  I’d rather role the dice on Willis than Wilson.  And I’m not even sold on Willis.  This team is not "BUILT” and not just an old veteran QB away.   

I'd take Wilson.  The NFL is such a year to year league.  Get Wilson, sign a safety in FA, draft a corner in the 1st, LB and DE on day1 and 2 ( not giving up 2 1sts this year helps), get RB day 3 and run it out.   Wilson for a few years is better than hoping Willis can even become a decent starter in a couple of years.   If his problem is reading a defense, throwing on time, 1 read and run, rather not fight that battle with a QB.  Again.  For 3-4 consecutive seasons.

To get either Eagles will have to give up picks.  Wilson is a better option at QB for the picks cost.

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So the argument that we should stick with Hurts because he won 8 games is great?

Matt Ryan and Goff historically being playoff caliber qbs is just that…history.  Neither one of them should be starting next year.  

Meh. I think there’s "better” arguments to be made by either side.  Anyway, moving on. 

26 minutes ago, greend said:

Anything around the value of 2 firsts would be my absolute limit.

I think it will take a little more.  But I don't disagree.