9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You know some of those same guys thought Reagor was the right pick and a cant miss prospect.  They thought Kevin Kolb would be a franchise QB.  They are not always right.

Kolb got David Carred and never recovered.  That said, as a UH fan, the first thing I said when he was drafted is that he locks in on receivers and stares them down.  Same plagued him in the NFL.  

Reagor had some bad tendencies in college that continue. Took plays off.  Lazy routes.  Concentration lapses. But he also had a shoulder lean move that was great for getting open.  Nothing that shouldn’t be unfixable.  I will admit that I said that Jefferson was the second best route runner in the draft after Jeudy and Jeudy has disappointed me a bit.  I liked Jefferson more than Lamb.  

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Willis is ridiculously overrated. That game yesterday showed a ton. He’s not as fast as advertised, nor is his arm as big as advertised. He’s also barely 6’ tall. Do you trust him to have the type of vision and ability to see throwing lanes as other highly successful "short” QBs like Brees, Wilson, Murray?

20th out of 32 is good enough in your eyes?

I love Grayson McCall. You also forgot Slovis though I’m not a huge fan. 

Willis is not a 1st rounder in my mind. Probably not even a 2nd.

People are talking like just because a guy has a strong arm and can run, he has enough tools for an NFL team to fall in love with what they can mold him  in to. Well, maybe, but that doesnt mean he is worthy of a 1st round pick. 

There are QBs like that ever year who have gone late. Hell, we have Jackson on this team and converted him to TE. He has one of the best arms out of anyone in this draft and can run, and has prototype size at QB. He would be a 1st round QB pick in this draft if what people are saying is true.

It just makes no sense. Fans are dumb, and are over-reacting to Josh Allen's playoff performance. I will be shocked if NFL teams really agree. 

 

I think Willis is a 5th-7th round talent who could get over drafted in the 3rd based on the allure of his athletic potential.  But, maybe the NFL really has gone crazy. We will see.

58 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I disagree with nowhere near competing for conference championships. 
 

If they have to stick with Hurts because there isn’t a better option available, then it is what it is. But then you are in purgatory and wrestling the decision of do you want to run your offense and develop the team as you envision it or maximize wins while knowing you are more than likely not going to be seriously competing for anything at the end of the day.

Takes a defense to win against the better teams.  The Eagles weren’t going down by less than one score against those teams and four to five of the defensive starters won’t be back.  Hurts didn’t lose those games by himself.  Just upgrading Hurts is a Hobson’s choice.  

45 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Nope, but I don't see much difference in the guys 11th through 20th, so if they aren't replacing him with a top 10 player, I don't see the point in changing. And the reports on the draft class is that only one guy has the ability to be a top 10 qb, and he is a raw prospect (Willis), and the existing top 10 guys (Watson, Rodgers, Wilson) will be too pricey.

So I am happy to give him another year to see if he can get better. Also, this seems to be the only rational approach. But others seem to have a different plan, which is fine. But they are delusional in my eyes. 

Is Hurts even top 20?

Passing Yards - 21st

Passing TDs - 23rd

Yards Per Pass Attempt - 14th

Completion Percentage - 26th

Passing Yards per game - 26th

Rating - 22nd

QBR - 19th

 

Are these points true about Hurts?

- does not naturally see the field particularly well

- tends to be a beat late with a lot of throws

- very reactive to pressure and breaks down in the pocket and looks to leave when there's not really pressure by NFL standards

- ball placement is a week to week and even a play to play issue

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Kolb got David Carred and never recovered.  That said, as a UH fan, the first thing I said when he was drafted is that he locks in on receivers and stares them down.  Same plagued him in the NFL.  

Reagor had some bad tendencies in college that continue. Took plays off.  Lazy routes.  Concentration lapses. But he also had a shoulder lean move that was great for getting open.  Nothing that shouldn’t be unfixable.  I will admit that I said that Jefferson was the second best route runner in the draft after Jeudy and Jeudy has disappointed me a bit.  I liked Jefferson more than Lamb.  

he wasnt good. getting David Carred had nothing to do with it.

1 hour ago, The Blackfish said:

 Jurkovec, McKee, and McCall as well. Those guys all have NFL size. It’s gonna be a large class.   Plus Rattler and Haener. 
I can’t forget Bo Nix, lol, ugh.  Duck fans aren’t happy about that one.  

Want no part of Rattler

Jurkovec could be very good

53 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hard to wait... can't know that you'll have the ammunition next year that's required.

Can’t know they won’t.  That is why one option is to target value next year..  You seem to be arguing for spending draft capital on a prospect this year as the best alternative.   You don’t want to trade for a vet. Would you be content if Howie traded all three picks to land Willis?  Pickett? Howell? Strong?  Ridder?  How about taking one of those with one of the first rounders? Cost/benefit.  Who are they passing on?  What other options are on the table?  Since I expected a three year core rebuild, waiting for 2023 looks like a workable option.

39 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

If you pay any attention to the scheme the Eagles want to run AND what Howie has done in the past 3 months you would know he favors Pickett. They are looking for a read progression QB who can throw an accurate pass to all routes and has the NFL brain to know where to go Willis is no where even close. 

I tend to agree with you. I think they want Pickett. Will he be available at 15 is another story. I doubt it in this draft class. I can easily see Howie dealing 15 and 19 to move up to grab him. 

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Want no part of Rattler

Jurkovec could be very good

Agreed on both points. Jurkovec and McCall are two guys I’ll be watching closely this upcoming college season. 

17 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Kolb got David Carred and never recovered.  That said, as a UH fan, the first thing I said when he was drafted is that he locks in on receivers and stares them down.  Same plagued him in the NFL.  

Reagor had some bad tendencies in college that continue. Took plays off.  Lazy routes.  Concentration lapses. But he also had a shoulder lean move that was great for getting open.  Nothing that shouldn’t be unfixable.  I will admit that I said that Jefferson was the second best route runner in the draft after Jeudy and Jeudy has disappointed me a bit.  I liked Jefferson more than Lamb.  

. triple negative?  

 

BTW, nothing fixes a player's desire.  Reagor doesn't actually care enough to be fixed.

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Willis is not a 1st rounder in my mind. Probably not even a 2nd.

People are talking like just because a guy has a strong arm and can run, he has enough tools for an NFL team to fall in love with what they can mold him  in to. Well, maybe, but that doesnt mean he is worthy of a 1st round pick. 

There are QBs like that ever year who have gone late. Hell, we have Jackson on this team and converted him to TE. He has one of the best arms out of anyone in this draft and can run, and has prototype size at QB. He would be a 1st round QB pick in this draft if what people are saying is true.

It just makes no sense. Fans are dumb, and are over-reacting to Josh Allen's playoff performance. I will be shocked if NFL teams really agree. 

 

I think Willis is a 5th-7th round talent (or worse) who could get over drafted in the 3rd based on the allure of his athletic potential.  But, maybe the NFL really has gone crazy. We will see.

Josh Allen effect... but at Willis has an arm.   But, I agree.  Willis to me is no higher than a 3rd, but I would feel most comfortable with him in Round 4.

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

he wasnt good. getting David Carred had nothing to do with it.

He was flawed and getting Carred sealed his fate.  I didn’t like the pick but can’t ignore that Matthews hit did impact him.  He was worse after that.

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Takes a defense to win against the better teams.  The Eagles weren’t going down by less than one score against those teams and four to five of the defensive starters won’t be back.  Hurts didn’t lose those games by himself.  Just upgrading Hurts is a Hobson’s choice.  

It takes both an offense AND a defense to win against better teams.

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I tend to agree with you. I think they want Pickett. Will he be available at 15 is another story. I doubt it in this draft class. I can easily see Howie dealing 15 and 19 to move up to grab him. 

Agreed on both points. Jurkovec and McCall are two guys I’ll be watching closely this upcoming college season. 

Man i have alot of apprehension about Pickett…

4 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

He already had a year to prove he could. And failed

No he didn't and no he didn't.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

. triple negative?  

 

BTW, nothing fixes a player's desire.  Reagor doesn't actually care enough to be fixed.

Yep.  I have thought both he and JJAW were a bit silver spoon guys. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

. triple negative?  

 

BTW, nothing fixes a player's desire.  Reagor doesn't actually care enough to be fixed.

Oh, he cares alright. It's just more about what twitter is saying about him.

14 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Is Hurts even top 20?

Passing Yards - 21st

Passing TDs - 23rd

Yards Per Pass Attempt - 14th

Completion Percentage - 26th

Passing Yards per game - 26th

Rating - 22nd

QBR - 19th

 

Are these points true about Hurts?

- does not naturally see the field particularly well

- tends to be a beat late with a lot of throws

- very reactive to pressure and breaks down in the pocket and looks to leave when there's not really pressure by NFL standards

- ball placement is a week to week and even a play to play issue

 

 

I have him as 16th best starting QB in the league.

 

1. Mahomes
2. Allen
3. Brady
4. Rodgers
5. Herbert
6. Jackson
7. Burrow
8. Wilson
9. Stafford
10. Prescott
11. Carr
12. Murray
13. Cousins
14. Tannehill
15. Wentz
16. Hurts
17. Mac Jones
18. Jimmy G
19. Mills
20. Ryan
21. Tua
22. Bridgewater
23. Mayfield
24. Heinicke
25. Daniel Jones
26. Golf
27. Fields
28. Lawrence
29. Wilson (Jets)
30. Siemien
31. Darnold

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It takes both an offense AND a defense to win against better teams.

Don’t disagree. Defense isn’t the only hole on this team and QB isn’t the only hole on offense.  

3 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

And next year it'll be the same "He got (a tiny bit) better, he needs another year" rinse and repeat.

The 3rd year is when many players come into their own, for better or worse.
Let's give Hurts this year. 

We have more pressing needs than QB this year. Our O line has some aging players and can use an upgrade anyway.
And our defense needs to be shored up as well.

Kenyon Green or Tyler Linderbaum are both highly rated versatile OLs.

On the defense I'd go for Ahmad Gardner or Jaquan Brisker since Hamilton will probably be gone. I think both are better picks than Stingley.
And I'd grab sack master David Ojabo since Hutchinson will be long gone. Karlaftis would be my second choice.

And we can grab a QB in the second round. Pickett won't be around but there are at least 6 others worth a gamble.
And we should grab one because next year's batch doesn't look as good as this year's top 10. If Hurts works out,
we'd have a QB to trade.

2 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

No he didn't and no he didn't.

We will file you in stage  1…denial

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

I have him as 16th best starting QB in the league.

 

1. Mahomes
2. Allen
3. Brady
4. Rodgers
5. Herbert
6. Jackson
7. Burrow
8. Wilson
9. Stafford
10. Prescott
11. Carr
12. Murray
13. Cousins
14. Tannehill
15. Wentz
16. Hurts
17. Mac Jones
18. Jimmy G
19. Mills
20. Ryan
21. Tua
22. Bridgewater
23. Mayfield
24. Heinicke
25. Daniel Jones
26. Golf
27. Fields
28. Lawrence
29. Wilson (Jets)
30. Siemien
31. Darnold

Cool. What are your qualifications? @jsb235 needs to know for this to have any validity. For all we know, you're just a guy on a message board.

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Can’t know they won’t.  That is why one option is to target value next year..  You seem to be arguing for spending draft capital on a prospect this year as the best alternative.   You don’t want to trade for a vet. Would you be content if Howie traded all three picks to land Willis?  Pickett? Howell? Strong?  Ridder?  How about taking one of those with one of the first rounders? Cost/benefit.  Who are they passing on?  What other options are on the table?  Since I expected a three year core rebuild, waiting for 2023 looks like a workable option.

No, you don't know.   I'd love to trade back.  But, I don't see the target that a team will be looking to move up and trade future draft picks for.   My argument is that the Eagles can't bank on the trade back option and pushing assets to 2023.  

And by no means do I want them to trade all 3 picks for any of these QBs.   Why does the pendulum have to swing so far to the extreme?  I'm much happier with TRYING to trade back, but it's likely not going to garner what we want in return.  And I want them to overturn every stone with this class.   I've been pretty clear that this year's class is Strong for me... and then a distant second Ridder.   And I wouldn't trade up for Strong, likely wouldn't even take him in the first right now.  

 

Waiting for 2023 is a great option... but is based on some assumptions, the biggest one being, that they'll have the ammunition to move from NFL purgatory to top 1, 2, maybe even 5 to land the QB next year.  THAT is the danger when they tailor the offense to a bad QB to win 8 or 9 games.  You push yourself out of range to get the top QB.  Ultimately, the Eagles are in a bad spot with the QB position right now, and it's largely due to their own doing.  They screwed it up with the last pick they landed in the top 2... and there's no guarantee that a team at #2 is going to be willing to trade back to #15, or even #7 with a QB sitting there for them.  The Eagles were fortunate the Browns were a disaster. Will lightning strike twice.     Long story short, I am just skeptical that this team can fix the QB position in 2022 or 2023.  They made this mess, and we have to sleep in it now.

5 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Oh, he cares alright. It's just more about what twitter is saying about him.

That's caring about his ego, not his game.  He doesn't care about getting better.  He expects everyone to be enamored with him because... uh... I don't know why we should be enamored with him at all.

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Don’t disagree. Defense isn’t the only hole on this team and QB isn’t the only hole on offense.  

QB is clearly the biggest hole on offense though.   You can hide other positions.   You can't hide the QB effectively.

15 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Man i have alot of apprehension about Pickett…

I do too, but I think all signs point to Howie being enamored with him. I’d rather try to trade down to the 27-32 range and roll the dice on Ridder then trade two picks to move up and get Pickett. 

14 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

No he didn't and no he didn't.

Lol. Are your fingers in your ears while you sit in the corner and rock while you chant this?