5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

A belated take on the Harden deal...

A lot of folks are making the take that the Nets go the better of the deal.  A that may be true if you look at Simmons as a borderline All-Star.  But he wasn't a borderline All-Star with the Sixers.  He was a distraction.

The Sixers got better.  Just because the Nets may have gotten "more better", doesn't make it a bad trade.

I am not a Sixers fan so I have no bias in my opinion.  Sixers got the better end of the deal.  Not having to give up Maxey or Thybulle is huge.  

You are getting rid of a malcontent non scorer, and getting a guy averaging 22, 8 and 10.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am not a Sixers fan so I have no bias in my opinion.  Sixers got the better end of the deal.  Not having to give up Maxey or Thybulle is huge.  

You are getting rid of a malcontent non scorer, and getting a guy averaging 22, 8 and 10.

As a guy who only watches the last 2 minutes of NBA games (because what's the point of watching the first 46?), Simmons was a clear liability.  In any close game down the stretch you can simply hack him, watch him make 1/2 or 0/2 free throws, and get the ball back.  The Sixers wouldn't even be able to have him on the floor in a close playoff game.

The rap on Harden has been he can't get it done in the playoffs.  Clearly the Sixers were a broken team in the playoffs with Simmons.  Maybe Harden and Embiid have the right chemistry -- worth a try, and it was the ONLY opportunity to get rid of Simmons.  

10 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

A belated take on the Harden deal...

A lot of folks are making the take that the Nets got the better of the deal.  A that may be true if you look at Simmons as a borderline All-Star.  But he wasn't a borderline All-Star with the Sixers.  He was a distraction.

The Sixers got better.  Just because the Nets may have gotten "more better", doesn't make it a bad trade.

I take the view that Simmons is on his way out of the league.  He was a throw in in that deal as far as I'm concerned.  He was giving us nothing, so losing him doesn't cost the team anything.    Will he go on to play at an All-Star level in Brooklyn?  Sure... why not?  Will he continue to be a massive liability in the playoffs?  Absolutely.  And frankly, that's what this deal was about.  Not the 82 games leading to the real season, but the post-season.  Simmons in the 4th quarter of a close playoff game should be taken out on a rotation offense/defense schedule with a guy like Curry or Maxey.  The Sixers didn't want to do that, because of his ego.  And so, they paid the price.  The Nets might try it, but I think Simmons is too soft to put up with that and will start to pout again.   

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

As a guy who only watches the last 2 minutes of NBA games (because what's the point of watching the first 46?), Simmons was a clear liability.  In any close game down the stretch you can simply hack him, watch him make 1/2 or 0/2 free throws, and get the ball back.  The Sixers wouldn't even be able to have him on the floor in a close playoff game.

The rap on Harden has been he can't get it done in the playoffs.  Clearly the Sixers were a broken team in the playoffs with Simmons.  Maybe Harden and Embiid have the right chemistry -- worth a try, and it was the ONLY opportunity to get rid of Simmons.  

8 straight seasons averaging more than 25 PPG in the playoffs.  I would say he did plenty.

19 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

A belated take on the Harden deal...

A lot of folks are making the take that the Nets got the better of the deal.  A that may be true if you look at Simmons as a borderline All-Star.  But he wasn't a borderline All-Star with the Sixers.  He was a distraction.

The Sixers got better.  Just because the Nets may have gotten "more better", doesn't make it a bad trade.

The reality is that keeping Simmons, Drummond and Curry puts the Sixers no closer to winning a Championship.  I think if Simmons had acknowledged his role in the playoff failure last season, the deficiencies in his game, and worked to improve then I would believe the Nets have gotten the better end of the deal.  Simmons did the opposite of that and threw a fit like a toddler.  He will never improve because he lacks the introspection to improve.  My guess is that he will dislike the criticism he gets in Brooklyn just as much as he did in Philly and move on sooner than later.  

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

How Marty has been able to remain employed in the NFL is mind blowing. Every where he goes, he runs a terrible offense, yet, still gets hired. He must be really likeable. 

If you're a mediocre white man and likeable you can get any job.  

22 hours ago, jsb235 said:

 Or we keep Dillard and trade them Hurts and Mailata and no picks at all.

2 hours ago, greend said:

Allegedly

Yes but I believe there was tension about it. I think Doug went too far in appeasing Wentz and that was part of the problem of having Press Taylor as his coach.  I think Lawrence is a better QB.  Doug can call plays against a defense. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

Yes but I believe there was tension about it. I think Doug went too far in appeasing Wentz and that was part of the problem of having Press Taylor as his coach.  I think Lawrence is a better QB.  Doug can call plays against a defense. 

It's possible but I have heard no creditable source say it 

On 2/10/2022 at 7:33 AM, Wentz_Era said:

There is a lot of amazing hiking out there!  Have you been up in the Mt Charleston area?

Don't think so.

My mother in law has offered to fly down to Kansas to watch our kids so my wife and I can take a vacation alone, we were thinking we might go to Vegas since we haven't been for a few years, so we'll check out Mt Charleston if we go.

@downundermike 

Buddy, we may have to change my vote again.

Last time. Promise.

 

(Maybe)

3 minutes ago, greend said:

It's possible but I have heard no creditable source say it 

Alshon!  I get it.  I think Press Taylor is a questionable choice as is Mike McCoy.  I do think Doug is a good coach.  

12 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was going to say the same thing. Curious to see people’s takes on butler and boselli i was young when both played. I just never thought either were hall of famers. Boselli more cause i don’t think he played for enough years. Was great for 5 seasons but only played 7  seasons (last year he played 3 so technically 7) and only 16 games 3 times. Although had 5 pro bowls and 3 first team all pros. 

Leroy Butler 4 pro bowl, 4 all pro 38 int 20.5 sacks.

Troy polomolu 32 Ints 12 sacks 100+ less tackles than Butler.

John Lynch 26 int, 13 sacks, does have over 1000 tackles to butlers over 800 but only two all pro compared to butlers 4.

If Troy who in my opinion was/ is one of the most over rated players to ever play in the NFL is HOF than so is Butler, who should have gone In before Troy. 

Boselli I'm fine with, he was all pro and or pro bowl 5 of his 7 seasons, which are more than the 3 Terrell Davis had in his 7 seasons.

43 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

As a guy who only watches the last 2 minutes of NBA games (because what's the point of watching the first 46?), Simmons was a clear liability.  In any close game down the stretch you can simply hack him, watch him make 1/2 or 0/2 free throws, and get the ball back.  The Sixers wouldn't even be able to have him on the floor in a close playoff game.

The rap on Harden has been he can't get it done in the playoffs.  Clearly the Sixers were a broken team in the playoffs with Simmons.  Maybe Harden and Embiid have the right chemistry -- worth a try, and it was the ONLY opportunity to get rid of Simmons.  

Well,  that part is not true.  But hopefully it's the most impactful.

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's extremely rare to have a Stoutland on your staff

It's extremely rare for a position coach to get votes

Unsure what your issue is here. 

Yes. He was very much deserving of some votes, even if only 2, for the job he did this year. You seem to have an issue with this, for some reason that you've yet to explain? Unless you meant his getting 2 votes is ridiculous in a good way, but that's not how your original post came across really. 

42 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The reality is that keeping Simmons, Drummond and Curry puts the Sixers no closer to winning a Championship.  I think if Simmons had acknowledged his role in the playoff failure last season, the deficiencies in his game, and worked to improve then I would believe the Nets have gotten the better end of the deal.  Simmons did the opposite of that and threw a fit like a toddler.  He will never improve because he lacks the introspection to improve.  My guess is that he will dislike the criticism he gets in Brooklyn just as much as he did in Philly and move on sooner than later.  

Hell end up playing in a middle eastern league with Steph marbury 

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

A belated take on the Harden deal...

A lot of folks are making the take that the Nets got the better of the deal.  A that may be true if you look at Simmons as a borderline All-Star.  But he wasn't a borderline All-Star with the Sixers.  He was a distraction.

The Sixers got better.  Just because the Nets may have gotten "more better", doesn't make it a bad trade.

Hope this works out for the 76ers but not sure Harden will make them better.  

They had the All Star draft yesterday and he was the last pick.  Nobody wanted him and Lebron and Durant were kinda laughing about it.  Makes me think he might not be the best teammate and is not well liked.

27 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Leroy Butler 4 pro bowl, 4 all pro 38 int 20.5 sacks.

Troy polomolu 32 Ints 12 sacks 100+ less tackles than Butler.

John Lynch 26 int, 13 sacks, does have over 1000 tackles to butlers over 800 but only two all pro compared to butlers 4.

If Troy who in my opinion was/ is one of the most over rated players to ever play in the NFL is HOF than so is Butler, who should have gone In before Troy. 

Boselli I'm fine with, he was all pro and or pro bowl 5 of his 7 seasons, which are more than the 3 Terrell Davis had in his 7 seasons.

Troy Polamalu played less seasons than Butler but I think he was just give more hype as a player.  I think he is overrated as compared to a player like Malcolm Jenkins or Dawkins who were much better in coverage.  Butler was as well.  Boselli is questionable.  He had a short career and made pro bowls.  He was good but I mean Tra Thomas was better and had a longer career. 

As far as trading Mailata and Hurts for Wilson, it's the only trade that makes sense for the Eagles.

Which team is better - Wilson+Mailata or Wilson+Dillard+Ojabo (or other DE) + Gardner (or another corner) + Burks (or another top wr.) The answer is pretty obvious.

As far as the cap, if you can't see how the trade could be cap neutral, you don't understand the cap well enough to be in the discussion.

I am fine with keeping Hurts, but for anyone who is insistent that you need a top 5 qb, I am just showing the easiest path to getting one and improving the rest of the team at the same time.

Also, Mailata's strength isn't pass protection anyway. It's in the run game. And the same posters who are horrified about the prospect of trading Mailata are the same ones who claim a run game doesn't even matter. That seems very counter-intuitive to me. Dillard is just as good in pass protection, so in theory it's not going to hamper the offense.

Does anyone really believe that adding just Wilson to this team makes it a Super Bowl contender? Seattle has a better roster than we do, and they weren't competitive this year.

Actions don't happen in a vacuum. You trade for Wilson, you open a four-year Super Bowl window. Trading a bunch of first round picks for him is a surefire way to close that window. Unless anyone really believes we are only a qb away from the Super Bowl. 

 

 

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Hope this works out for the 76ers but not sure Harden will make them better.  

They had the All Star draft yesterday and he was the last pick.  Nobody wanted him and Lebron and Durant were kinda laughing about it.  Makes me think he might not be the best teammate and is not well liked.

None of the players the Sixers traded made the all-star game.  Durant plays for the Nets and is one of the reasons Harden wanted to leave.  

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

As far as trading Mailata and Hurts for Wilson, it's the only trade that makes sense for the Eagles.

Which team is better - Wilson+Mailata or Wilson+Dillard+Ojabo (or other DE) + Gardner (or another corner) + Burks (or another top wr.) The answer is pretty obvious.

As far as the cap, if you can't see how the trade could be cap neutral, you don't understand the cap well enough to be in the discussion.

I am fine with keeping Hurts, but for anyone who is insistent that you need a top 5 qb, I am just showing the easiest path to getting one and improving the rest of the team at the same time.

Also, Mailata's strength isn't pass protection anyway. It's in the run game. And the same posters who are horrified about the prospect of trading Mailata are the same ones who claim a run game doesn't even matter. That seems very counter-intuitive to me. Dillard is just as good in pass protection, so in theory it's not going to hamper the offense.

Does anyone really believe that adding just Wilson to this team makes it a Super Bowl contender? Seattle has a better roster than we do, and they weren't competitive this year.

Actions don't happen in a vacuum. You trade for Wilson, you open a four-year Super Bowl window. Trading a bunch of first round picks for him is a surefire way to close that window. Unless anyone really believes we are only a qb away from the Super Bowl. 

 

 

Mailata is better than Dillard in pass protection and run blocking.  He is on good long term deal with with the Eagles.  He is worth keeping at the expense of a first round pick.  

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Jacquan Jarrett in 2011, and Nate Allen in 2010 -- both of whom were different grades of terrible.

Howie's MO the past decade or so has been to fill the defense from the free agency route, while filling the offense by way of the draft.  I'm guessing his rationale might be that skill guys on offense in FA tend to be more expensive while defensive FA guys might come a bit cheaper, in salary cap terms.  That's my theory on his strategy on roster building.

I would be quite happy if the Eagles spent their first 5 draft picks on defense.  I don't see it happening, though.  

This was driven by Schwartz, starting in 2016. He didn't like having to coach up rookies. 2017 was the only draft where they went defense with Schwartz at DC.

Kelly ran the 2015 draft, and most of the 2014 (wasn't on board in time to control the 2013).

2012, 2015 were the only other defensive oriented drafts.

 

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

As far as the cap, if you can't see how the trade could be cap neutral, you don't understand the cap well enough to be in the discussion.

Mailata has a cap number of 4.37 million this year.  If he is traded, all future signing bonus money accelerates and his cap number becomes 28.4 million.

As I already said, dumbest idea ever.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think that was more bitterness then anything else. 

You get the ball out of the hands of Maxxy(whos good but young) and put it in a veterans hands

You add a guy like Harden in your starting 5 who averages 23/10/8 and lose out on Ben who averaged 0/0/0. 

 

I dont know if it blows up in 2 months, or 2 years. dont know if they win a championship but this trade makes the 6ers MUCH better and does nothing positive for the Nets

Nothing positive for the nets ? SMH 

Addition by subtraction for starters , as I said yesterday , the sixers lose their best floor spacer , lose depth , no backup big 

Harden is not the harden of a few years ago , he is a out of shape headcase  , give him time he will checkout like always 

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

This was driven by Schwartz, starting in 2016. He didn't like having to coach up rookies. 2017 was the only draft where they went defense with Schwartz at DC.

Kelly ran the 2015 draft, and most of the 2014 (wasn't on board in time to control the 2013).

2012, 2015 were the only other defensive oriented drafts.

 

Not gonna go along with that spin.  DCs don't have enough sway to "drive" draft philosophy for an organization.  Schwartz was only hired in 2016; not even a first-year head coach would have sufficient pull to veto the drafting of defensive players, much less a first-year DC.  If he "didn't like having to coach up rookies" he wasn't suitable to be hired.  Besides, it's the the position coaches that "coach guys up" -- the DC develops the overall scheme and game plans, and calls formations on game day.