3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Jimmy G is worth all the first round picks. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If you’re Jax.  Would you take the following for Lawrence?

 

Hurts, Two 2022 1sts and 2023 2nd?  

No

Tried out TDN. No trading cause I'm not paying for "premium."  Pretty happy with this:

 

The only true need I couldn't get was a white WR with a beard.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If you’re Jax.  Would you take the following for Lawrence?

 

Hurts, Two 2022 1sts and 2023 2nd?  

Nope

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If you’re Jax.  Would you take the following for Lawrence?

 

Hurts, Two 2022 1sts and 2023 2nd?  

No, not a chance. If they wanted to go after a young QB whose team just went through a regime change with the prior regime taking "their guy" you'd have a much better chance of getting Fields, and I don't have any interest.

1 minute ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

No cause I think Doug is going to fix that 

Doug?  And the staff he hired?  I feel bad for Lawrence. 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If you’re Jax.  Would you take the following for Lawrence?

 

Hurts, Two 2022 1sts and 2023 2nd?  

No 

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

No, not a chance. If they wanted to go after a young QB whose team just went through a regime change with the prior regime taking "their guy" you'd have a much better chance of getting Fields, and I don't have any interest.

Fields was the one guy on my Do Not Want list last draft (Kwitty Paye as well, but to a lesser extent).

With 3 first round draft choices as it stands for this draft it's more of a mine field.  Do Not Want Corral, Willis, London

 

It's interesting a year later if Howie would have any second thoughts on not taking Fields, or Mac Jones at #12

One thing Doug has going for him is you can’t blame Wentz’s decline on him anymore. 
 

Reich was apparently the reason for most of Wentz’s success but we see how that worked out. 
 

For the record… IMO Wentz’s decline is at least 90% on him. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

One thing Doug has going for him is you can’t blame Wentz’s decline on him anymore. 
 

Reich was apparently the reason for most of Wentz’s success but we see how that worked out. 
 

For the record… IMO Wentz’s decline is at least 90% on him. 

True, but he has a bunch of pressure on him in JAX as well.  Can you imagine if he gets labelled the head coach who wrecked Wentz AND Lawrence??

2 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

They should hold all summer Olympics in Athens. Winter, I'd nominate Vancouver as they have the facilities and mountains to support it. Have every participating country donate funding. It would stop the ridiculous bidding, it would stop the ridiculous infrastructure some of these places have to build only to never use again. 

They had a Winter Olympics in Vancouver.  They didn't have snow.   My guess is that there are better options than Vancouver available across the globe.  

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He is not Hurts throwing the ball.  You can’t take away the running difference and not add the passing difference.  He’s a better QB than Hurts.  And I not saying I want him.  But the comparison is stupid.  

I would like to hear a season analysis if u have one. Got into a heated argument a few weeks ago on a Livestream discussion. Kept trying to explain why I believe hurts isn't the long term QB. Argument started because their defense. Hurts took average team to playoffs. He is one of few reasons why we won games. They see potential and he did the best with what he had. His first year starting, etc.. 

Of course I disagree and think context matters. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

True, but he has a bunch of pressure on him in JAX as well.  Can you imagine if he gets labelled the head coach who wrecked Wentz AND Lawrence??

I don’t think he’ll wreck Lawrence. Will he succeed as a head coach though? That’s debatable 

1 minute ago, IINorthStar said:

I would like to hear a season analysis if u have one. Got into a heated argument a few weeks ago on a Livestream discussion. Kept trying to explain why I believe hurts isn't the long term QB. Argument started because their defense. Hurts took average team to playoffs. He is one of few reasons why we won games. They see potential and he did the best with what he had. His first year starting, etc.. 

Of course I disagree and think context matters. 

I think I speak for the majority of the blog when I say...yes, I WISH Hurts had the capacity to improve to the Burrow/Herbert/Mahomes/Allen level, but he just doesn't. I like him as a person, and his teammates seem to love him. Hell, I'm the son of an OU alumni who loved what he did there, so I should have even more of a predisposition to advocate for him. But, the same issues he had in college are still manifesting themselves today. He's smart, and we've all seen the interviews with him dissecting plays on a whiteboard. He knows what to do, but just doesn't have the capacity to do it on the field. He's incredibly athletic, and in my opinion is a superb backup QB who can spell an injured starter and pull a win or two out of his arse with his feet alone. But, he's never going to get a team to the mountaintop barring some sort of epiphany when it comes to accuracy and reading defenses and his progressions. If they choose to stick with him this year and he shows drastic improvement I'll be the first one in here happier than a pig in ish to eat my crow...but I unfortunately think he is what he is, a really high end #2.

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

One thing Doug has going for him is you can’t blame Wentz’s decline on him anymore. 
 

Reich was apparently the reason for most of Wentz’s success but we see how that worked out. 
 

For the record… IMO Wentz’s decline is at least 90% on him. 

Ehh that is where you're wrong my friend. There was no decline, Wentz is playing his best football. 2017 and 2018 exceeded expectations. 

I think I only watched Jimmy G in the playoff game and he did not look good

18 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Doug?  And the staff he hired?  I feel bad for Lawrence. 

I was excited for Doug because of a new start with a promising QB until he hired Press Taylor. I'm worried he also isn't going to change his playcalling. I feel bad for Lawrence

41 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Stop.  Now you're starting to sound like others, who shall not be named who tout making the playoffs as something special.  This team only made the playoffs because of the crap schedule they had and a weak ass NFC.  You saw how that worked out.  So spare us with that.  That argument is terrible.  In a normal season against 1st string QB's (not 3rd and 4th) this roster is closer to a 5 win roster than a 10 win roster.  

 

What do we have on defense?  This team needs about 5 starters on defense....right now.  Not 5 great players...5 starters!  That's not counting offense...QB,WR, RB and possibly RG.

 

Of course Hurts won't get it done.  Remember who you're talking to here.  But your goal needs to be for 2-4 years down the road.  Not next year.  Wilson is not a 2-4 year down the road solution.  Then you're in the same boat again...Play the long game and do it right.  

 

 

Again....Wilson won't want to come here anyway.  

Agree and I've said before that by the time we build a good enough roster around Wilson it will be almost time to start over at the QB position.  He's been sacked a lot over the years.  People think because Brady and Rodgers played/are playing into their ripe older ages that it's the new norm and not the outlier.  Wilson is smaller than either and has taken more hits over the years.  IMO, he won't slowly regress, but more like fall off a cliff.  He's been the Seahawks franchise QB since winning the job as a rookie and they know their team is lacking in talent so they're going to want a really good haul of draft capital for him.  And he's going to want to be paid like a top tier QB.  Those 2 things limit our ability to build a better overall roster.  That's less quality FAs you'll be able to sign and less high end draft picks you'll have to improve the roster.  The only position that's fairly secure is OL and even there we have a question of depth since some of the OL players have injury concerns.  We lack quality starters on D and the rest of the roster we lack solid depth.  Though, we do have an ish load of CBs/DBs, but we don't know if most of them are any good.

People saw Cincy make it to the SB without a good OL and no star players on D and think that's a sustainable blueprint for being a contender.  Maybe Cincy caught lightning in a bottle this season like how we did in 2017?  If Mahomes and Andy don't have a couple massive brain farts at the end of the game and just score the TD and leave some time on the clock maybe they win and Cincy doesn't make the SB?  If Tannenhill doesn't turn it over so much maybe Cincy doesn't win that game either?  They had happen for them what almost every team needs to have happen and that's to have things break and bounce your way.  Not saying it was all luck and they did earn their place, but their model for this year isn't what you build your team around and hope for the same result.  Other than OL we're still a ways off their talent level.

The QB position is very difficult to figure out.  There is no clear definitive answer to it.  Nobody here knows the right answer on how to solve it.  All we have is opinions about each scenario.  I just don't see the Wilson one as a good solution as it's more short term maybe than long term promising.

 

I stand by my stance of if you don’t think a QB is worth trading a 1st round pick for then you don’t think he’s good enough to win you a Super Bowl so don’t bother… 

@EaglePhan1986  Didn't say it was good football, but it's his best. 😂😂 

Please retract your confusion. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You criticize my plan as lacking absolutes and guarantee....but you march on with your plan loaded with absolutes and guarantees.  And no....I never said it would take all of our capital to get Wilson.  I know one thing...by the time this team is properly rebuilt...he'll be a 35-36 year old scrambling QB with a wife that leads him around by his D......when it's not tucked of course.  

Russell Wilson isn't a scrambling QB. He is an efficient and effective pocket passer.  He can scramble but so can Rodgers.  He can throw the ball accurately and doesn't need to scramble to be effective.   His time to throw in 2021 was 2.8 seconds which puts him in line with Stafford, Mayfield and Carr.  He's an accurate deep passer. He doesn't need to run or scramble to be effective.  

8 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I think I speak for the majority of the blog when I say...yes, I WISH Hurts had the capacity to improve to the Burrow/Herbert/Mahomes/Allen level, but he just doesn't. I like him as a person, and his teammates seem to love him. Hell, I'm the son of an OU alumni who loved what he did there, so I should have even more of a predisposition to advocate for him. But, the same issues he had in college are still manifesting themselves today. He's smart, and we've all seen the interviews with him dissecting plays on a whiteboard. He knows what to do, but just doesn't have the capacity to do it on the field. He's incredibly athletic, and in my opinion is a superb backup QB who can spell an injured starter and pull a win or two out of his arse with his feet alone. But, he's never going to get a team to the mountaintop barring some sort of epiphany when it comes to accuracy and reading defenses and his progressions. If they choose to stick with him this year and he shows drastic improvement I'll be the first one in here happier than a pig in ish to eat my crow...but I unfortunately think he is what he is, a really high end #2.

So far IMO Hurts is on the Tyrod Taylor trajectory, even though Hurts got his shot at starting much earlier, whereas Taylor sat in BAL for 3 seasons.

Tyrod wasn't horrible in BUF.  The Bills gave him 3 seasons from 2015 - 2017 to show he could be a franchise QB.  He's a career 61.3% passer, in those 3 seasons he threw for 51 TD and 17 INT (decent enough but not prolific), anywhere from 2800 - 3000 passing yards per season, ran the ball 283 times in 3 seasons for 1,575 yards -- 5.6 yards per carry ..... stop me if this is sounding like a familiar M.O.

The Bills recognized they needed an upgrade at QB and drafted Josh Allen in 2018.  It was the right move and it's been proven over time to be the right move.  Whether the Eagles see a Josh Allen anywhere right now is a question, but the need to upgrade is not a question.

14 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think I only watched Jimmy G in the playoff game and he did not look good

I was excited for Doug because of a new start with a promising QB until he hired Press Taylor. I'm worried he also isn't going to change his playcalling. I feel bad for Lawrence

Jags will go .500 or better. I'm not judging any of these HC's, OCs,DCs until they're on a new team. Every hire outside of 2016-2017 deserves that. Considering control and bad decisions FO makes I'll continue waiting for the days of consistently good offense or defense. Tired of going into every season unknown. 

Otherwise I'll gladly eat crow. Honestly believe Doug will have them looking respectable again. 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Lot of truth there.  You can see it in some mocks posted on the web for all positions.  Real issue for me in evaluating defensive players this year is, given the lack of players and things Gannon tried early on, I am not sure we know what he wants to run.   For example, Schwartz clearly favored DEs whose job it was to seal the edge and aggressive DTs who collapsed the pocket.  I suspect that Gannon may want edge rushers with a multipurpose SAM.  I think that SAM looks a lot like a 3/4 OLB.  And that he wants at least one DT that can play like a 3/4 DE. I wonder if he wants to play some sort of hybrid, kind of like Belichek and occasionally the Ravens have used.  Not sure we see a distinct line play from him.  We see a lot of line shifts nowadays.  Teams aren’t singularly one gap or two gap teams.  They tend to want the versatility to mix it up.   The Eagles don’t have the LBs to allow that flexibility, which I suspect means they draft some.  (Brown is spot on as to fans and schemes for LBs with some of the mocks posted where the different types of LBs is so varied.)

Interesting thing with Schwartz’s secondary is I think Undlin was free to do his own thing which is why sometimes it looked like the secondary was on a different page from the front seven.  There is all sorts of speculation as to what Gannon favors based on his working with Zimmer and Eberflus.  (I think it is hilarious that the analysts tend to hamstring defensive coaches like this and more quickly abandon tags of offensive coaches.). I wonder if Gannon has his own thoughts. The glacial speed at S and MIKE really limited him this year.  I wonder what we see.  No doubt we will see some zone.  The DBs brought in and traded for/picked up by Howie don’t suggest press.  They do suggest speed and quickness.  Not sure what the thought is on size and height because that is probably influenced by who was available. 

Both Gowan and McCain are 6 footers and somewhat light. Both ran sub 4.5:forties with good 3 cones and short shuttles. McPhearson is an inch shorter and a few pounds heavier and a 4.5:guy with a real good 3 cone and short shuttle.  Not Slay fast but few CBs are.  What is interesting are Scott and Vincent.  Both are fast in the forties. Neither ran 3 cones or short shuttles but looked quick in college.  Vincent played mostly nickel but some snaps at S.  I think that is why he is listed as a DB.  Both are a bit under 5’ 10”.  Both required draft capital.  Could have been insurance against Maddox not extending but I think there is a possibility that this is more than that.   That brings me to Chachere.  Was a CB in college.  Sub 4.5 guy with good short shuttle and real good 3 cone.  Listed as a DB.  I think that may be what Gannon looks for in a versatile S.  Saw some time in the down S role in three S positions.  Mayden is similar but just not as quick.  

Suggests that Gannon wants decent speed in the secondary. Faster Ss than current McLeod and Harris.  I think we will see a different approach as the secondary gets better but that we will see Cover 2 and hopefully some Cover 1 as he gets the bodies.  I wonder if he wants to play some of the Sagan/Belichek Cover 1.   I still expect a bit of high Ss but as the players get better, the depth of the drop won’t need to be quite as high and the cushions decrease (in other words, tighter zones).  Thing is I think anyone would be speculating what Gannon wants to run.  Nelson, McLeod and Harris really limited what he could do and with Singleton and Edwards as the LBs, that created real gaps in the zones.  

I won’t be surprised by picks this year on defense because I think it is a guess as to what Gannon seeks.  

I don't think Gannon is married to any single scheme and simply would like to have better players to work with.

Schwartz had players he wanted, and the team often had to chase those kind of guys in the draft, or bring them in as free agents. He also seemed unable to admit mistakes, which is how you get a season of Nate Gerry.

Gannon seems much more flexible. He wasn't afraid to throw Avery or Taylor out there and benched Wilson and reduced Harris' playing time (his guys) in favor of Edwards and Epps.

As far as the draft, I think he will be fine with the team drafting the BPA and figuring out a role later. I think that was the case when they passed on McNeil and drafted Williams. Gannon used him in spots that allowed him to succeed, whereas it is pretty easy to see Schwartz just refusing to play the guy if he didn't want him.

So if they draft someone like Jordan Davis, I don't think it will be because they have a specific scheme in mind, but more because they think he's a really good football player, and Gannon will figure out how to use him.

The one good thing about this draft is that it is oozing with defensive talent, particularly at DE and LB. The defense dominated the Senior Bowl, so while other teams might have to chase players at oline (and qb), we should be able to snag quality players for Gannon, especially if our focus is simply on getting a good football player and not focusing as much on what scheme that player fits.

  

40 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If you’re Jax.  Would you take the following for Lawrence?

 

Hurts, Two 2022 1sts and 2023 2nd?  

If that trade happened, I guess it'd answer the question about Hurts being a Doug or Howie pick. I really hope he was a Doug pick, and we can somehow fleece them. But I think I remember reading Khaaaaaaaaaaaan is in love with Sunshine, so he's likely not going anywhere.