7 hours ago, ManuManu said:

A link to Zierlein’s ranks

Seems he thinks this is a very underwhelming draft. 

Perfect year to have three picks!

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Seems he thinks this is a very underwhelming draft. 

Perfect year to have three picks!

It seems like he grades from about a 6.2 to a 6.7

Almost everyone fits within that range. 

 

His DE rankings are crazy. 

9 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Turnover machine.  Fumbles, yes but pretty good on interceptions 

Leads league in turnover worthy plays over last couple years , lots of dropped ints 

I said he was around 15th best QB 2 years ago and got hammered for it  , 

According to Pro Football Focus, Wentz’s 70.9 offensive grade ranked just 23rd among all quarterbacks. In fact, outside of his 2017 campaign where he emerged as an MVP candidate before injury, Wentz has never ranked higher than 14th among quarterbacks.

44 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It seems like he grades from about a 6.2 to a 6.7

Almost everyone fits within that range. 

His DE rankings are crazy. 

Yeah his scale is bizarre. The whole draft is between 6.9 and 5.5.  

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A plumber? 

I was thinking mechanic 

9 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I agree... which is why I have no social media presence.

I have Linked in and Twitter but am not very active on either

9 hours ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Bench is a very good measure of upper body strength, but far inferior for football performance to a player's squat and deadlift and even biomechanical leverages at nearly every position.

If I had no squat or dead (or vert or broad jump) to go on, the bench would likely be a good indication of how seriously they take strength training. So in that regard, I'd consider it important

Here's a thought. Watch film and see if they are pushing guys around or getting pushed around. The bench means next to nothing in football. 

8 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

Reagor was absolutely terrible last year, but making him the whipping boy for that game is insane.

First 'dropped' TD was severely underthrown and he was interfered with coming back for the ball.

Second dropped TD, is a catch you want an NFL WR to make but it was still a throw into double (maybe triple) coverage when there was open options.

I had to find someone to respond to to this...so this wasn't aimed at you haha.

Ultimately though the ball hit him in his hands in the endzone and he flat out dropped it on the last play of the game. He wasn't the only reason, but he was definitely a reason. 

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What a freaking hippie 

Oh and "unconditional love" didn't she dump him?

8 minutes ago, greend said:

Oh and "unconditional love" didn't she dump him?

I guess she had some conditions. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

I guess she had some conditions. 

yup

ARod gets weirder by the second

10 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

This class lacks athleticism at the RB position. Badly. You have Kenneth Walker at the top, and a whole bunch of guys after him are just ok athletes. Some lacking elusiveness, most lacking a top gear. 

Plenty of strong runners. A few really angry, powerful runners. 

A bunch of talented pass catchers. But even there, they lack the usual athleticism youd see in 3rd down backs, except for Cook, and Badie. 

Its ranked that way because no one but walker can really stand out above the others. Its all about choosing what you value most, and sacrificing other attributes. No one really offers it all.

That is not necessarily a bad thing for the Eagles.  I believe they are shopping for a bigger back with some talent at pass pro that has good vision and blocker use discipline and enough burst through the hole and ability to get skinny through the hole.  A finisher that falls forward. Probably a third day RB. They already have three backs (assuming they bring back Scott) that are third down backs.  

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

That is not necessarily a bad thing for the Eagles.  I believe they are shopping for a bigger back with some talent at pass pro that has good vision and blocker use discipline and enough burst through the hole and ability to get skinny through the hole.  A finisher that falls forward. Probably a third day RB. They already have three backs (assuming they bring back Scott) that are third down backs.  

Yep.  Tons of guys I love for us this year. 

It's a bad year to be looking for a McCoy or Sanders type of back.  But it's a perfect year for us to get a more reliable version of Jordan Howard, or maybe even a Blount.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Leads league in turnover worthy plays over last couple years , lots of dropped ints 

I said he was around 15th best QB 2 years ago and got hammered for it  , 

According to Pro Football Focus, Wentz’s 70.9 offensive grade ranked just 23rd among all quarterbacks. In fact, outside of his 2017 campaign where he emerged as an MVP candidate before injury, Wentz has never ranked higher than 14th among quarterbacks.

Don’t disagree on your overall evaluation of Wentz. Been complaining about his fumbles for years.   But interceptions aren’t the issue for him that it is for other QBs.  Take Tom Brady, for example. More years with double digit interceptions than not.  I wouldn’t call him a turnover machine but he isn’t in Aaron Rodgers territory on not throwing interceptions. This whole turnover worthy stat is a bit of a joke because it doesn’t factor into it why the risk might be acceptable and cannot factor in if the WR ran the wrong route.  Wentz sucks at timing plays because he doesn’t always factor in if the WR can make it to the spot.  Brady does. Now, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that Brady throws a more catchable ball.  Almost always a tight spiral.  Harder to intercept (or catch) a Wentz wobble.

Frankly, the last two and a half years, Wentz has been a bottom third QB, just not on interceptions.  And Arians would have to be intrigued with his arm strength. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Let's revisit this after the combine. 

K

The Athletic put up a new mock today....has us taking Booth, then Linderbaum and Green....

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

K

The Athletic put up a new mock today....has us taking Booth, then Linderbaum and Green....

I’m here for the chaos that would ensue if that’s who they select. I like green and linderbaum a lot. And it makes your oline set for the future (assuming both pan out) and young outside of RT for awhile (when kelce retires). But i see fans absolutely losing it cause the picks weren’t used exclusively on defense. 

 Such a Howie move.  Come out of the draft with the best two inside OL but not address a position of need at edge.  Of course, four of the edges weren’t available. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yikes....talk about illogical.  

 

These mocks are all over the place.  Green was a top 10 pick a few months ago.  I just saw WalterFootball has him going in the 2nd round and has Ojabo going 4th overall.  

 

It's just more evidence that this is just not a great 1st round this year.  Just our luck.  More and more I want us to trade back and hedge that 2023 will be better.  There are about 25 guys that can go in the top 10 and about 50 guys that can go in the first round.  

 

I sure wish Hamilton would go to vegas for a weekend.  

Here is my advice to Hamilton:  smoke pot!  Not just a joint, that would keep him top 12 or so.  Do the bong mask.  Take photos with mask on, smoke everywhere, piles of cash and a gun or two.  

Also from the Athletic.  Punts would be a nightmare in this scenario 

The NFL and the resurgent XFL — which returns in February 2023 — announced a partnership Monday to collaborate on new game rules and equipment innovations. Translation: The XFL is going to be the NFL’s entertainment lab. 

I’m all for it. A spring football league without the tangential support of the NFL feels like folly. With the big league’s backing, this rendition has a chance to make it. Who’s excited for year-round football? 

There’s no word on what the new XFL rule changes will be. Here are three changes made by the 2020 edition of the league that are absolutely worth keeping: 

• Overtime — Our favorite discussion, right? In these games, overtime consisted of a soccer-like shootout, where the "rounds” are two-point-conversion attempts. Each side gets five attempts, and the team with the most points at the end wins. Love it.
   
• Punts — All XFL touchbacks went to the 35-yard-line to discourage teams from punting in opponent territory. Also, if the ball goes out of bounds inside the 35-yard-line, it’s a touchback and is brought out to the 35, too. Simple. Yes. Keep it.
   
• Extra points — No kicks allowed. After a touchdown, teams have three options: the 2-, 5- or 10-yard line. Run a play from one of those for a chance at one, two or three extra points. 

Expect a lot of innovations and rule changes around player safety, too. Think new helmets, etc. I’d also bet a sizable sum that we see the elimination of kickoffs somehow.

 

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Leads league in turnover worthy plays over last couple years , lots of dropped ints 

I said he was around 15th best QB 2 years ago and got hammered for it  , 

According to Pro Football Focus, Wentz’s 70.9 offensive grade ranked just 23rd among all quarterbacks. In fact, outside of his 2017 campaign where he emerged as an MVP candidate before injury, Wentz has never ranked higher than 14th among quarterbacks.

Both FO and PFF focus play by play, accounting for situation. So you'll get different measures than "raw" numbers based on counting stats.

However, I don't think Wentz is in the bottom third, more that 15-20 or so range in the middle, just like Hurts. Good enough to win games with a good team, but not good enough to carry a team. But not bad enough to lose games they should win on a regular basis (the bottom ten or so).

Howie comes out smelling like a rose, traded up for Wentz by dumping Chip's contracts and giving up limited "real" assets, then after Wentz gets them to a SB, and two more playoffs, dumps him for a 1st and 3rd, replacing him with a cheap young QB who's just as good (or bad, depending on your perspective).

I wonder how the XFL and USFL are going to co-exist. Merger? USFL will disappear?

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It's just more evidence that this is just not a great 1st round this year.  Just our luck.  More and more I want us to trade back and hedge that 2023 will be better.  There are about 25 guys that can go in the top 10 and about 50 guys that can go in the first round. 

When the media ranks a draft, it tends to focus on the top 5-10 picks, are there any potential superstars?

Eagles pick 15, 16, 19, from their perspective, the lack of top talent at the top of the draft is meaningless, what matter is whether there is starter quality talent from 11-20. And if there is a lack of consensus, that improves the odds that players they like fall to them.

Also from an Athletic article on watching HS players like recruiters do.  Note what they don’t view at the end of QBs. 

Quarterback

Houston offensive coordinator Shannon Dawson, the first to offer Mac Jones and one of the first major believers in Stetson Bennett: I think people mess up recruiting quarterbacks because they get infatuated with their athletic ability or physically how they look. I’m always gonna evaluate film first and then narrow it down, but what pushes the needle for me is if their release and throwing motion is not natural, then I’m Xing them off. …

Maybe I’m different because I’ve always coached in a throw-first offense, but I strictly want to see his release and his accuracy. Every QB coach will probably lie to you and say they can make a guy a lot more accurate. I don’t think you can improve it that much.

A Power 5 offensive coordinator with two former QBs who could be drafted in April: The No. 1 priority for me is accuracy. A really, really low arm slot is not a great thing because it creates problems with regard to releasing the ball but … how they throw the ball to me doesn’t matter anywhere near as much as how accurate they are. I want a compact quarterback who can get rid of the ball quickly. I don’t like long-arm action quarterbacks, and there are a lot of those.

Both coaches mentioned character and leadership skills as something they account for, but neither mentioned measurables. Hand size and arm strength were among the other traits they emphasized.

As for the best quarterback film they’ve seen recently?

"Arch Manning is special. Screw the name,” the P5 OC said. "He’s going to know football and he’s going to be raised the right way and he’s going to be coached up because of his bloodline, but the kid is really talented.”

The first thing that TCU head coach Sonny Dykes, who coached Jared Goff and Nick Foles (among others), notices when he turns on the tape of a QB is his ability to execute under duress. If he can do that, Dykes is intrigued. 

Next on his checklist: "Accuracy, touch and pocket recognition and movement (are) very important and ability to get the ball out on time and anticipate throws.” 

What isn’t as crucial? "Arm strength is not as important,” he says.

This draft should be fairly unpredictable.  There are a small number of truly elite prospects…couple DEs (when there is already good DE depth behind them and there is still no Myles Garrett type), 1-2 OL, and a safety…with absolutely zero skill position players deserving of top 10 grades.  So that *should* devalue the top 10 picks.

I think the teens are a good spot to be in.  You basically get first pick of the players who are getting drafted in the range they belong.  But it will definitely be unpredictable, as there is a logjam of players with similarly solid but unspectacular talent from top to bottom.  

While the teens are good value in this draft, it’s hard to say how useful those picks will be for trading into 2023.  I don’t know that teams will be falling all over themselves and giving up 2023 capital for our last 1st round pick (like we saw last year).