2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

When the media ranks a draft, it tends to focus on the top 5-10 picks, are there any potential superstars?

Eagles pick 15, 16, 19, from their perspective, the lack of top talent at the top of the draft is meaningless, what matter is whether there is starter quality talent from 11-20. And if there is a lack of consensus, that improves the odds that players they like fall to them.

Media analysts miss on picks even worse than NFL teams do.  

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Also from an Athletic article on watching HS players like recruiters do.  Note what they don’t view at the end of QBs. 

Quarterback

Houston offensive coordinator Shannon Dawson, the first to offer Mac Jones and one of the first major believers in Stetson Bennett: I think people mess up recruiting quarterbacks because they get infatuated with their athletic ability or physically how they look. I’m always gonna evaluate film first and then narrow it down, but what pushes the needle for me is if their release and throwing motion is not natural, then I’m Xing them off. …

Maybe I’m different because I’ve always coached in a throw-first offense, but I strictly want to see his release and his accuracy. Every QB coach will probably lie to you and say they can make a guy a lot more accurate. I don’t think you can improve it that much.

A Power 5 offensive coordinator with two former QBs who could be drafted in April: The No. 1 priority for me is accuracy. A really, really low arm slot is not a great thing because it creates problems with regard to releasing the ball but … how they throw the ball to me doesn’t matter anywhere near as much as how accurate they are. I want a compact quarterback who can get rid of the ball quickly. I don’t like long-arm action quarterbacks, and there are a lot of those.

Both coaches mentioned character and leadership skills as something they account for, but neither mentioned measurables. Hand size and arm strength were among the other traits they emphasized.

As for the best quarterback film they’ve seen recently?

"Arch Manning is special. Screw the name,” the P5 OC said. "He’s going to know football and he’s going to be raised the right way and he’s going to be coached up because of his bloodline, but the kid is really talented.”

The first thing that TCU head coach Sonny Dykes, who coached Jared Goff and Nick Foles (among others), notices when he turns on the tape of a QB is his ability to execute under duress. If he can do that, Dykes is intrigued. 

Next on his checklist: "Accuracy, touch and pocket recognition and movement (are) very important and ability to get the ball out on time and anticipate throws.” 

What isn’t as crucial? "Arm strength is not as important,” he says.

Arm strength wouldn’t be as important in college as it is in the NFL. Way more space due to wider hash marks, slower defensive players, etc. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Arm strength wouldn’t be as important in college as it is in the NFL. Way more space due to wider hash marks, slower defensive players, etc. 

It's overrated in the NFL as well, windows are smaller, but the field is the same size.

The key throws in the NFL are in the 1-20 yard area, b/c it takes over 3 seconds for a receiver to get past 20 yards (you can run a 4.4 in shorts, but on the field in pads, with a defender in front of you and having to sell a route, you're gonna take 3 seconds to run 20 yards). Run a lot of deep routes where arm strength matters and you'd better be able to pass protect for more than 4 seconds. Underneath throws, quick release, accuracy, and anticipation are far more important.

It's also why you need targets who can get open quickly, and at least one big target underneath who knows how to use his body and can snatch (Avant, Celek). 8 yard throws on 3rd and 7 aren't as sexy as 40 yard bombs, but they keep drives alive and win games.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I took it as the wedding is off but they are still sharing the same pumice soap.  

ahh, okay then thanks

Applies to any position.  Maybe Howie needs to consider this when drafting players like a Reagor and JJAW.

From the Athletic 

That determination that helped Watt become a three-time NFL MVP helped shape what Partridge is looking for when it comes to the work ethic type of questions, he says, "because if you have two guys on the board, you’re looking for ways to tip the board. How many distractions is he gonna be dealing with? Is his family gonna be supportive of him or pull him down, because you see both. Does he love the game or does he love being recruited? Is he more interested in posting his workouts or truly developing?”

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's overrated in the NFL as well, windows are smaller, but the field is the same size.

The key throws in the NFL are in the 1-20 yard area, b/c it takes over 3 seconds for a receiver to get past 20 yards (you can run a 4.4 in shorts, but on the field in pads, with a defender in front of you and having to sell a route, you're gonna take 3 seconds to run 20 yards). Run a lot of deep routes where arm strength matters and you'd better be able to pass protect for more than 4 seconds. Underneath throws, quick release, accuracy, and anticipation are far more important.

It's also why you need targets who can get open quickly, and at least one big target underneath who knows how to use his body and can snatch (Avant, Celek). 8 yard throws on 3rd and 7 aren't as sexy as 40 yard bombs, but they keep drives alive and win games.

Maybe so, but the threshold is much higher in the NFL. 

Minshew for Jaire!

 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Lol. I actually think rodgers is going to say his intensions in a couple days on mcafee’s show. Whether he is retiring or wants to be dealt or returning to GB. 

 

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Here is my advice to Hamilton:  smoke pot!  Not just a joint, that would keep him top 12 or so.  Do the bong mask.  Take photos with mask on, smoke everywhere, piles of cash and a gun or two.  

Times change. Pot is legal in some states and players don’t get suspended for it. 
 

 

 

So we’re going to need him to pose with a Tony Montana size mound of coke. 

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Minshew for Jaire!

Would give Jaire ALL the money

54 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Applies to any position.  Maybe Howie needs to consider this when drafting players like a Reagor and JJAW.

From the Athletic 

That determination that helped Watt become a three-time NFL MVP helped shape what Partridge is looking for when it comes to the work ethic type of questions, he says, "because if you have two guys on the board, you’re looking for ways to tip the board. How many distractions is he gonna be dealing with? Is his family gonna be supportive of him or pull him down, because you see both. Does he love the game or does he love being recruited? Is he more interested in posting his workouts or truly developing?”

Applies to any sport. Raw talent is overrated, most players who surprise have off the wall work ethics and game IQs, that is, they maximize their talent and can take it from the weight room (or track) to the field. And competitiveness, Siri isn't off the mark there, RPS is merely symbolic, but some guys are wired to compete, Jordan was the ultimate example, so was Bobby Clarke.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Don’t disagree on your overall evaluation of Wentz. Been complaining about his fumbles for years.   But interceptions aren’t the issue for him that it is for other QBs.  Take Tom Brady, for example. More years with double digit interceptions than not.  I wouldn’t call him a turnover machine but he isn’t in Aaron Rodgers territory on not throwing interceptions. This whole turnover worthy stat is a bit of a joke because it doesn’t factor into it why the risk might be acceptable and cannot factor in if the WR ran the wrong route.  Wentz sucks at timing plays because he doesn’t always factor in if the WR can make it to the spot.  Brady does. Now, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that Brady throws a more catchable ball.  Almost always a tight spiral.  Harder to intercept (or catch) a Wentz wobble.

Frankly, the last two and a half years, Wentz has been a bottom third QB, just not on interceptions.  And Arians would have to be intrigued with his arm strength. 

Arm strength means nothing when the ball doesn’t go where it’s supposed to 

there is no un tapped potential with Wentz ,what you see is what you get 

11 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Maybe he will be a 2nd rounder then. I feel like this team hasnt developed a safety since Dawkins, and maybe Lewis and Mikell. But those two were box safeties, and thats kind of easy to find. So really, not since Dawkins.

I dont really trust them to find anyone outside of some damn near blue chipper in round 1 (like Brisker). I guess round 2 will be o.k.... But even round 2 had the Nate Allen disappointment, and he looked so promising. He was one of my guys in the draft that year and he amounted to nothing.

I would rather a guy with natural ball hawking instincts as his calling card who can develop everything else. Im hesitant about guys who are "versatile" playing in the box. We dont develop those guys in to good coverage safeties. They remain limited forever. K'Vonn Wallace.

My guess is that the Eagles look to add through FA again.  There's some decent younger options in FA that may mean paying more for but that's was something they were willing to do with Jenkins.  I think Jesse Bates would be a very good addition but he's likely more expensive than what they would want.  Marcus Williams from NO should be a possibility.  Malik Hooker is maybe worth a shot.   Gannon and Sirianni are familiar with him.  Troy Apke is another player that is physically gifted but not really played to his potential in Washington.  

I think the lack of development really comes down to lack of investment in the position through the draft.  They have bypassed talent at safety in favor of other positions.  The last pick before K'von Wallace in 2020 was Ed Reynolds in 2015.  Reynolds was a 6th round pick.  Like LB they need to address the position through the draft.  

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Times change. Pot is legal in some states and players don’t get suspended for it. 
 

 

 

So we’re going to need him to pose with a Tony Montana size mound of coke. 

My scout buddy told me that he and most teams know guys like to smoke. It's a non-issue now and pretty commonplace. They don't test in the offseason anymore and they raised the THC threshold limit from 35 nanograms to 150 during in-season testing. It only becomes an issue with guys who are dependent/addicted to it (i.e. Randy Gregory). You pretty much have to be a moron (like smoking before the combine) or heavily using before the test to get popped for weed. 

If by some chance Kenyon Green was available at 15, would you take him?

Curious how everyone feels.

11 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Arm strength means nothing when the ball doesn’t go where it’s supposed to 

there is no un tapped potential with Wentz ,what you see is what you get 

He has accuracy issues with certain throws. I think the bigger issue is decision making.  He's flawed but probably as good an option for the Bucs as a player like Jimmy G.  He's better than Jameis.  

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Not to mention, these guys have to release a new mock like every week.  I just don't remember seeing this much movement in the top 20 before.  I guess we can blame our own lust for content....

This is the key.  That's why its not really worth taking most of what they say seriously.   They have a void to fill with content.  The rankings matter much more, the scouting reports, watching breakdowns... all much much more valuable than mocks at this point.  

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

It's overrated in the NFL as well, windows are smaller, but the field is the same size.

The key throws in the NFL are in the 1-20 yard area, b/c it takes over 3 seconds for a receiver to get past 20 yards (you can run a 4.4 in shorts, but on the field in pads, with a defender in front of you and having to sell a route, you're gonna take 3 seconds to run 20 yards). Run a lot of deep routes where arm strength matters and you'd better be able to pass protect for more than 4 seconds. Underneath throws, quick release, accuracy, and anticipation are far more important.

It's also why you need targets who can get open quickly, and at least one big target underneath who knows how to use his body and can snatch (Avant, Celek). 8 yard throws on 3rd and 7 aren't as sexy as 40 yard bombs, but they keep drives alive and win games.

The windows, not the field is what matters.   You keep equating arm strength with the distance of the throw.  It's not about that.  It's about the time the ball is in the air.  The longer the ball takes to get from point A to point B, the smaller the window becomes to actually get it there.   

 

BTW, Hurts doesn't have a quick release, accuracy or anticipation either.   Just sayin'.

 

Another note... it isn't about blocking for 3 seconds for the receiver to reach the 20 yard threshold either, it's about blocking long enough for the receiver to get to the spot on the field where the QB needs to release the ball to have it arrive at the right place at the same time the receiver does...  And on the long throws, you don't wait for the receiver to reach the 40 yard mark to throw it either, you still throw it about the time that the receiver is at the 15-20 yard mark in the route, but with a longer throw, more arc is needed to get it there and that increases the time... so once again, the amount of time for blocking isn't as long as you are making it out to be.  Yes, its a little longer... no it's not some crazy extra amount of time.

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

If by some chance Kenyon Green was available at 15, would you take him?

Curious how everyone feels.

No. RG is not an important enough position to select a non-elite prospect. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

No. RG is not an important enough position to select a non-elite prospect. 

What elite prospect do you suggest they'd be taking at 15 instead?

Just now, Swoop said:

If by some chance Kenyon Green was available at 15, would you take him?

Curious how everyone feels.

I am feeling OK today.  Thanks for asking.  

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What elite prospect do you suggest they'd be taking at 15 instead?

There is none, so you take a more important position. 

I've said it before, I think people are underestimating the need for interior lineman. 

Herbig, IIRC is a FA. Seumalo is on his last year and coming off a major injury. Brooks retired, not that he's been here much these past couple of seasons. Kelce at best is here one more season. Dickerson has an extensive injury history and Driscoll can't stay healthy.

I think the Eagles likely view it this way, as well. Now I'm not suggesting interior line with 15, but the more I think about it, the more okay with it that I am.