9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The windows, not the field is what matters.   You keep equating arm strength with the distance of the throw.  It's not about that.  It's about the time the ball is in the air.  The longer the ball takes to get from point A to point B, the smaller the window becomes to actually get it there.   

 

BTW, Hurts doesn't have a quick release, accuracy or anticipation either.   Just sayin'.

 

Another note... it isn't about blocking for 3 seconds for the receiver to reach the 20 yard threshold either, it's about blocking long enough for the receiver to get to the spot on the field where the QB needs to release the ball to have it arrive at the right place at the same time the receiver does...  And on the long throws, you don't wait for the receiver to reach the 40 yard mark to throw it either, you still throw it about the time that the receiver is at the 15-20 yard mark in the route, but with a longer throw, more arc is needed to get it there and that increases the time... so once again, the amount of time for blocking isn't as long as you are making it out to be.  Yes, its a little longer... no it's not some crazy extra amount of time.

Plus, the field is the same size but the difference between the left and right hash marks is huge for creating massive windows. 

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What elite prospect do you suggest they'd be taking at 15 instead?

Devin Lloyd

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

No. RG is not an important enough position to select a non-elite prospect. 

I don't think there's any elite prospects available.  I think a lot of it depends on whether they have 3 picks to spend.  From a philosophical standpoint, oline is prioritized position.  I don't think they look at mid to late first as placing too much value on the position.  At the same time, they have a bigger need at DE and CB  I don't think they would have Green significantly higher than a player like Karlaftis, Trey Walker, Ojabo, McDuffie or Booth.  I think one of those players would be available.   I do think they would pick OG over LB and possibly any safety that's available.    

26 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I've said it before, I think people are underestimating the need for interior lineman. 

Herbig, IIRC is a FA. Seumalo is on his last year and coming off a major injury. Brooks retired, not that he's been here much these past couple of seasons. Kelce at best is here one more season. Dickerson has an extensive injury history and Driscoll can't stay healthy.

I think the Eagles likely view it this way, as well. Now I'm not suggesting interior line with 15, but the more I think about it, the more okay with it that I am.

It's possible they add a FA at the position.  I mean Will Hernandez is set to hit free agency.  He's been largely a disappointment in NY but I think he's the type of talent that Stoutland could make into above average starter.  He's had no talent around him.  If you pair him with Kelce and Johnson, he probably looks much much better.  

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Applies to any sport. Raw talent is overrated, most players who surprise have off the wall work ethics and game IQs, that is, they maximize their talent and can take it from the weight room (or track) to the field. And competitiveness, Siri isn't off the mark there, RPS is merely symbolic, but some guys are wired to compete, Jordan was the ultimate example, so was Bobby Clarke.

"Work ethic" is overrated most great players have both. Most average players have one or the other but in most cases you have to have raw talent to even get in the nfl.

53 minutes ago, Swoop said:

If by some chance Kenyon Green was available at 15, would you take him?

Curious how everyone feels.

No unless he was far superior to whoever else was there.

To the "Howie can't draft" people, it could be far, far worse:

https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/status/1496131819959472129/photo/1

 

 

55 minutes ago, Swoop said:

If by some chance Kenyon Green was available at 15, would you take him?

Curious how everyone feels.

Immediately. 

If I'm taking a guard in the top-15, he's either a rare prospect or is actually a RT that I'm playing at guard until Lane retires. I'd rather take another WR than a guard.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

To the "Howie can't draft" people, it could be far, far worse:

https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/status/1496131819959472129/photo/1

 

 

I'm almost 60 and can beat several people younger than me in a foot race. I should be in the Olympics because it could be far, far, worse.

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

If by some chance Kenyon Green was available at 15, would you take him?

Curious how everyone feels.

You sprint to the podium if he is available.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

To the "Howie can't draft" people, it could be far, far worse:

https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/status/1496131819959472129/photo/1

 

 

The "could be worse" argument is infuriating.   It excuses poor results.  Howie did better in 2021.  But his overall effort is truly terrible.  Especially on defense.

51 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The windows, not the field is what matters.   You keep equating arm strength with the distance of the throw.  It's not about that.  It's about the time the ball is in the air.  The longer the ball takes to get from point A to point B, the smaller the window becomes to actually get it there.  

BTW, Hurts doesn't have a quick release, accuracy or anticipation either.   Just sayin'.

Another note... it isn't about blocking for 3 seconds for the receiver to reach the 20 yard threshold either, it's about blocking long enough for the receiver to get to the spot on the field where the QB needs to release the ball to have it arrive at the right place at the same time the receiver does...  And on the long throws, you don't wait for the receiver to reach the 40 yard mark to throw it either, you still throw it about the time that the receiver is at the 15-20 yard mark in the route, but with a longer throw, more arc is needed to get it there and that increases the time... so once again, the amount of time for blocking isn't as long as you are making it out to be.  Yes, its a little longer... no it's not some crazy extra amount of time.

On a 40 yard pass downfield, you're not going to release it when the WR is at the 20, maybe at the 25-30 or so - because the ball moves a lot faster than your receiver - ball moves at 50-60 MPH, your WR at 20 MPH or so. But anticipation helps, a weaker arm QB with good anticipation and vision can release the ball earlier, throwing it to the spot the WR will be, whereas many strong arm QBs have to see the open window (McNabb, Vick).

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

To the "Howie can't draft" people, it could be far, far worse:

https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/status/1496131819959472129/photo/1

Too many people in this blog only follow the Eagles and it shows.

5 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

The "could be worse" argument infuriating.   It excuses poor results.  Howie did better in 2021.  But his overall effort is truly terrible.  Especially on defense.

Yup. I’m not afraid of the possibility of getting worse before getting better. As long as it’s recognized and changed as needed. Settling for mediocrity out of fear of getting worse scares me more than anything. 

12 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

The "could be worse" argument is infuriating.   It excuses poor results.  Howie did better in 2021.  But his overall effort is truly terrible.  Especially on defense.

The issue is we don’t know who is the one in charge of drafting. We’ve heard Chip, Doug, Douglas, Lurie, etc. In recent years it’s definitely been Howie’s show and the drafts have been fine.

Edit: perfect example in this tweet. I don’t pin all of these picks on Howie. 

 

4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

The issue is we don’t know who is the one in charge of drafting. We’ve heard Chip, Doug, Douglas, Lurie, etc. In recent years it’s definitely been Howie’s show and the drafts have been fine.

Reagor, JJAWful, Dillard, the majrority of the 2020, and the entire 2017 draft class disagree with you.

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

The issue is we don’t know who is the one in charge of drafting. We’ve heard Chip, Doug, Douglas, Lurie, etc. In recent years it’s definitely been Howie’s show and the drafts have been fine.

2020 draft:

Reagor, Hurts, D Taylor, Wallace, DRISCOLL, Hightower, Bradley ( good sp. teams), WATKINS, Wanogho, Toohill.

2019 Draft:

Dillard, SANDERS, jjaw Shareef Miller, Clayton Thorson.

Ugh.

The 1st and 2nd round draft record leaves MUCH to be desired; the conversation doesn't need to go a whole lot farther than that.

Last season was a departure because we got meaningful contributions from both our first two picks -- but -- we spent 2 picks on DeVonta Smith (had to give up an additional 3rd to get him) and Dickerson (even though I really liked the pick) came with significant risk.  Sometimes those risky picks will hit, often times they'll blow up like Sidney Jones.

11 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

The issue is we don’t know who is the one in charge of drafting. We’ve heard Chip, Doug, Douglas, Lurie, etc. In recent years it’s definitely been Howie’s show and the drafts have been fine.

Edit: perfect example in this tweet. I don’t pin all of these picks on Howie. 

 

I actually consider picks who play a lot and play poorly to be worse busts than picks who never crack the lineup -- so I guess I view JJAW as much worse than Watkins, for example.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Reagor, JJAWful, Dillard, the majrority of the 2020, and the entire 2017 draft class disagree with you.

But that’s the thing. JJAW was supposedly a Lurie pick. Dillard is fine? Reagor isn’t a bust yet. 

28 minutes ago, austinfan said:

To the "Howie can't draft" people, it could be far, far worse:

https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/status/1496131819959472129/photo/1

 

 

Is this a metaphor for your recent posts?

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The 1st and 2nd round draft record leaves MUCH to be desired; the conversation doesn't need to go a whole lot farther than that.

Last season was a departure because we got meaningful contributions from both our first two picks -- but -- we spent 2 picks on DeVonta Smith (had to give up an additional 3rd to get him) and Dickerson (even though I really liked the pick) came with significant risk.  Sometimes those risky picks will hit, often times they'll blow up like Sidney Jones.

It's the draft. Other than maybe top 5 picks, all draft picks come with risk. 

26 minutes ago, austinfan said:

On a 40 yard pass downfield, you're not going to release it when the WR is at the 20, maybe at the 25-30 or so - because the ball moves a lot faster than your receiver - ball moves at 50-60 MPH, your WR at 20 MPH or so. But anticipation helps, a weaker arm QB with good anticipation and vision can release the ball earlier, throwing it to the spot the WR will be, whereas many strong arm QBs have to see the open window (McNabb, Vick).

How about a weak-armed QB with no anticipation (Hurts)?

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

Too many people in this blog only follow the Eagles and it shows.

I disagree.  I think the people in the blog only truly care about what the Eagles do.  Who cares if San Diego drafts poorly?  I care how the Eagles draft.  Of course the Chargers beat us at our home this past season after years of horrible drafting.  They must have gotten enough right to beat Howie's awesome roster construction.

 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

It's the draft. Other than maybe top 5 picks, all draft picks come with risk. 

I see.  So, if Jameson Williams tears his other ACL tomorrow getting out of the shower it's no biggie.  That makes me feel quite a bit better.