30 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The went off the GPS tracking. Jefferson didn’t play fast at LSU. I believe he was in the mph range. Reagor had elite top mph according to the GPS. 

Which is the right approach, taking a 40 yard dash from a sprinter's stance in shorts seriously is madness.

However, top speed is less important than your get off and initial acceleration and your second gear. Dan Jones runs fast once he gets up to speed, but it takes him a while to get there.

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How many coaches have even gotten to Super Bowls with different teams ??  I bet it is not as many as QB's to do it.

I really cant think of any HC's who did that outside of Reid, who lost one, then Won one.  Did Reaves?

I think it speaks to the importantance of having a franchise QB. 

So we know Brady, Peyton both Won SB's on two teams. 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Which is the right approach, taking a 40 yard dash from a sprinter's stance in shorts seriously is madness.

However, top speed is less important than your get off and initial acceleration and your second gear. Dan Jones runs fast once he gets up to speed, but it takes him a while to get there.

You quote 40's all the time.  So do I.  It's not madness.  It's a useful piece of information.

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I really cant think of any HC's who did that outside of Reid, who lost one, then Won one.  Did Reaves?

I think it speaks to just how importantance of having a franchise QB. 

So we know Brady, Peyton both Won SB's on two teams. 

Craig Morton and Kurt Warner also took two teams to Super Bowls.

 

54 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I watched this team with Brister, Hoying, Kolb, etc. I'm certainly not going to boycott now.

Crowder is an excellent slot receiver who could be an extremely reliable chain mover with Goedert.

You know what Jeff, just hire me.

That's a helluva draft.

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I really cant think of any HC's who did that outside of Reid, who lost one, then Won one.  Did Reaves?

I think it speaks to the importantance of having a franchise QB. 

So we know Brady, Peyton both Won SB's on two teams. 

I'm glad you brought up Peyton. He was a shadow of himself in Denver. At that stage he was nothing like a franchise QB. I'm not saying this torpedoes your entire argument about a franchise QB but your boat has definitely sprung a leak.

I am thinking Brisker may be a must get.

The combination of athleticism, physicality and tackling ability,  versatility, and production. 

He's probably safety 1 is almost every draft except this where the ND freak is in it this year. 

It feels like a can't miss opportunity to get him at 15 or 16.

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 I’m not sure about it being uncharacteristic, he knows Waddle was targeted way more, same for Chase, and I’m sure he’s not thrilled about how much less he was targeted when the Eagles changed their offense to running the ball. All the questions about his weight coming into the draft, after having one of the best seasons ever for a WR at Alabama.  He’s not a pushover by any stretch, he’s just thin.   
Folks start talking about him being possibly a number 2 receiver and I bet no one on the the Eagles will like his reaction. 

I am not sure why but the Eagles did not seem to target him early in games.  They should have designed their passing attack with Goedert and Smith getting at least 10 targets per game.  It did not seem to me that was ever really the plan.  I mean he was 39th in the league in terms of targets.  He was only targeted 10 times and over twice.  Goedert was 16th in terms targets for TEs but 4th in yards.  Certainly a big part of this was the limitations Hurts has as a passer but part of it also appears to be a deficiency in scheme.  I hope they take a look at this because I am not sure the a QB fixes the issue alone.  Look at the 4th down play above, what clear thinking coach calls a play where his 2 best receivers are not the primary targets.  It's not smart at all.  It may be that Howie/Lurie are pushing for Reagor to be involved more but some of this seems to me to be linked to some of Sirianni's thinking/ego.  Like I know if I just motivate Reagor and give him this prime chance, he will perform for me.  Well that's never really a winning approach.  

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Even with the same targets, he was not going to put up the numbers Chase did due to the limitations of the QB.

Chase had 24 more targets than Devonta, those 24 additional targets equated to 17 more receptions, 539 more yards and 10 more TD's.

I don't think there was one go route that Smith caught from Hurts this season.  

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The speed obviously isn’t translating because he’s brain dead. 

But the Eagles didn’t make up his speed out of thin air. They had tape and data to back it up. 

Have never seen a player with worse body language than Reagor too.

16 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I really cant think of any HC's who did that outside of Reid, who lost one, then Won one.  Did Reaves?

I think it speaks to the importantance of having a franchise QB. 

So we know Brady, Peyton both Won SB's on two teams. 

There's 7 coaches who took two different teams to SB's. Shula, Fox and Vermeil both lost and then won with a different team

23 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Its funny because the birds used to have slow possession type receivers and no speed. Now they have all speed and no possession type of guys. They really need to fill that WR #2 spot with a possession guy, but I would prefer a bigger bodied one over a quick twitch receiver .

Pickens, Pierce, Ekunanma, Ross, etc. there's going to be quite a few of them this year. They NEED to get one in R3-5.

11 minutes ago, justrelax said:

That's a helluva draft.

Thank you sir. As I said, Lurie needs to can Roseman and give me the job.

38 minutes ago, RLC said:

Have never seen a player with worse body language than Reagor too.

Yep, go routes are not always about arm strength either, you just make the decision and the ball gets out.  I noticed this a lot with Carson Strong.  Watch the play at 45 seconds.  This is not long developing, he is not in the pocket waiting to make the throw.  The ball is out in under 3 seconds on a go route that is 45 air yards.  

 

Just noticed that I quoted the wrong post.  This was in response to @NCiggles post about Smith and go routes.

 

 

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Have never seen a player with worse body language than Reagor too.

I think he's a kid that needs to grow up and stop taking his dad's advice.  I'm sure his dad had him bulk up for the combine (bad advice).  His dad is defending him and fighting his Twitter battles (bad choice by his dad).  Jalen came into camp this year apparently out of shape and failed some conditioning tests.  This year should be a wake up call for him that if he doesn't straighten out, this will definitely be his last year.  He needs to get in better shape physically and probably see a sports psychologist to fix his head.

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

John Fox and Reaves.

Reeves never won as a HC

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I really cant think of any HC's who did that outside of Reid, who lost one, then Won one.  Did Reaves?

I think it speaks to the importantance of having a franchise QB. 

So we know Brady, Peyton both Won SB's on two teams. 

Brady and Peyton went to the most talented teams in the league, and Peyton was certainly NOT a franchise QB when he won (ironically he was a much better QB the years  in Denver that he didn't win, the SB year was due to the running game and the defense).

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's 7 coaches who took two different teams to SB's. Shula, Fox and Vermeil both lost and then won with a different team

I knew I was forgetting some. Shula, yeah would have forgotten totally about Baltimore. Vermiel Fox more recent and should have remembered.  Who are the others? Parcells Pats and Giants? 

WHo else

19 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You quote 40's all the time.  So do I.  It's not madness.  It's a useful piece of information.

Only b/c we don't have access to better information. But i look at the combine/pro day tests more as checks - if a guy adds 15 libs, is it useful muscle or just trying to convince scouts he's bigger than his actual playing size - and his testing will reveal if he's bigger and more athletic or bigger and slower.

14 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I'm glad you brought up Peyton. He was a shadow of himself in Denver. At that stage he was nothing like a franchise QB. I'm not saying this torpedoes your entire argument about a franchise QB but your boat has definitely sprung a leak.

Peyton was still Peyton as far as making decisions and reads, and pre snap getting them into correct plays. He was a shell of himself as far as his ability to throw. BIG difference. 

5 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

I think he's a kid that needs to grow up and stop taking his dad's advice.  I'm sure his dad had him bulk up for the combine (bad advice).  His dad is defending him and fighting his Twitter battles (bad choice by his dad).  Jalen came into camp this year apparently out of shape and failed some conditioning tests.  This year should be a wake up call for him that if he doesn't straighten out, this will definitely be his last year.  He needs to get in better shape physically and probably see a sports psychologist to fix his head.

Sirianni will probably be more hands on with the WRs in this camp, look for them to bring in a bunch of draft picks/UDFAs/SFAs and then churn them - they need to not only challenge Reagor, but upgrade their depth and try to develop some solid role players.

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

I knew I was forgetting some. Shul, yeah would have forgotten totally about Baltimore. Vermiel Fox more recent and should have remnembered.  Who are the others? Parcells Pats and Giants? 

WHo else

Holmgren - Packes (W)/Seatlle (L)

Reeves - Went with Broncos and Falcons but lost all 4

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Craig Morton and Kurt Warner also took two teams to Super Bowls.

Off the top of my head, you have Reid, John Fox, Dan Reeves, Parcells, Mike Holmgren getting there, and I feel like I’m missing a few others. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Reeves never won as a HC

You're right. My bad.

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Sirianni will probably be more hands on with the WRs in this camp, look for them to bring in a bunch of draft picks/UDFAs/SFAs and then churn them - they need to not only challenge Reagor, but upgrade their depth and try to develop some solid role players.

I pray they don't fall to a sunk cost fallacy with Reagor. It's time to cut bait and move on.