2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

As far as dead money, Howie has admitted he screwed up trying to keep the window open.

On a team discarding its veterans, with a lot of draft picks and young players, cap room won't be an issue since Howie hasn't gone crazy in free agency since the Dream Team fiasco, he focuses on value. And after 2018-20, I doubt he'll give out a lot of overpriced third contracts, more likely he'll be moving out veterans while they have trade value.

The reality is that Howie would be unemployed for 10 minutes if the Eagles let him go.

Every smart team is following us in terms of structuring contracts and adding void years. People on here complaining about his handling of the cap should be treated like a fish at the poker table, don't tap the tank, simply nod and agree with him.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Dumb

This seems difficult to believe and would concern me that Howie learned nothing.  Everyone else we've been tied to has been on the younger side.

13 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

As a tight end, wasn't it? Kaep wouldn't consider a position unless it was as a starter as I recall. I imagine Kaep doesn't like being forgotten.

Kap's not coming back and I don't know who keeps trying to resurrect that story.  

He's 34 and will turn 35 during the season and hasn't played professional football for 6 years.  How serious is he about playing football?  If he really were serious about playing ball, don't you think he would have played in the CFL / XFL / something like that at this point?  

His wiki page says it all: "Colin Rand Kaepernick is an American civil rights activist and a former quarterback"  he thinks of himself more as a civil rights activist than a football player.  He's not coming back.  Ever.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

yup, but it's splashy.

That's my fear. Howie had to sit on the sidelines last year (his fault) and now that he has a little bit of playing money he is going to do something splashy that doesn't make sense on an old player

1 minute ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Kap's not coming back and I don't know who keeps trying to resurrect that story.  

He's 34 and will turn 35 during the season and hasn't played professional football for 6 years.  How serious is he about playing football?  If he really were serious about playing ball, don't you think he would have played in the CFL / XFL / something like that at this point?  

His wiki page says it all: "Colin Rand Kaepernick is an American civil rights activist and a former quarterback"  he thinks of himself more as a civil rights activist than a football player.  He's not coming back.  Ever.  

But what "civil rights activist" can stand being irrelevant/not being in the news. He'll do what he can.

2 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

I said everyone foresaw this issue years ago and knew we'd have to clean up the books painfully.  What no one foresaw was COVID and its impact on the salary cap making it much worse than it needed to be.  That is what caused the need for the Cox restructure last year.  Obviously I'm not saying Howie was perfect.  I listed a bunch of mistakes above, almost all of which were questionable immediately.  But you're constant harping about it means one of two things.  One, is you just want to keep complaining about the past, which is not really productive.  Second, your fear that those mistakes indicate future action and I'm simply explaining why the Sweat contract is not evidence of that to me.  What will be concerning to me is a new contract for someone like Semualo (we really don't have many players who are even conceivably under discussion for a third contract so he's not a great example) or if Howie gives big money to free agents this offseason who are getting their third contracts instead of their seconds.  It's really when he got this idea that older veterans were the market inefficiency that he got himself into trouble.  That is what I will be looking for.

I keep harping on it because the guy who made the mess is still here acting the same way as how he created.   Everyone responsible for the miserable 2020 is gone... save Lurie and Howie.  Lurie is going no where, obviously.  And it seems, Howie has job security for as long as Lurie owns the team.  

Older veterans on minimum deals I'm fine with.  Signing them to long term deals that lock you in is where the failure lies.  And worse yet, trading for them and then signing them to big deals, like he did with Jackson and Slay.  Both of whom were after the Covid process started and it was clear that there were going to be issues with revenue.   The Jackson trade happened the same day that the NBA shut down for Covid.  MLB and NHL shut down the next day.   The Eagles traded for Slay over a week later.    In a vacuum trading for these guys and then paying them the rate they got is questionable.  Doing it knowing your limited cap flexibility at the time is more questionable.   Doing it while the entire sports world is shutting down and losing revenue expecting that it won't hit you is malpractice.

 

Howie should have been held accountable for what he created and hasn't been.  Until he is, or actually shows a different path (nothing yet indicates he has) I will continue to talk about it.  The problem is still here.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's my fear. Howie had to sit on the sidelines last year (his fault) and now that he has a little bit of playing money he is going to do something splashy that doesn't make sense on an old player

And he missed out on Wilson... so... splish splash.

10 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

This seems difficult to believe and would concern me that Howie learned nothing.  Everyone else we've been tied to has been on the younger side.

I see you understand my concerns.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And he missed out on Wilson... so... splish splash.

I see you understand my concerns.

I do.  The difference is you are pretending he's already doing it in order to complain whereas I am waiting to see.  

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Click Bate and Pandering

Yep, I think Kap has become irrelevant, too. He doesn't like that.  

52 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Just looked at a little further, if he stays this year, and you post June 1 him in 2023, it is still only 1.5 saved for 2023 with 11.1 dead.

You then still have to pay a guy to play in his place, unless the draft pick compensation is huge, it is better just to have him play out the contract.

I would gladly trade Cox for $11.1M dead money.  He's inconsequential on the field, way past his prime, and he was a distraction last season refusing to buy into his role under the new coaches.

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Dumb

 

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

yup, but it's splashy.

Let's see the price tag if it happens. 

Trading Cox is 100% the right decision. We'll incur less dead cap than what is publicly out there because of how the contract is structured, but it's still a big hit. 

Personally, I'd take the big hit this year so we can be big players in next year's FA class but we all know Howie won't do that. It also means that Hurts or a draft pick is likely our QB (to keep the cap sheet relatively reasonable).

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

 

Let's see the price tag if it happens. 

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

The contender rules us out.  We may contend for the NFC East but it ends there.

Just now, Freshmilk said:

The contender rules us out.  We may contend for the NFC East but it ends there.

It should, but it's not like the Seahawks, Dolphins or Falcons are any better

8 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

I do.  The difference is you are pretending he's already doing it in order to complain whereas I am waiting to see.  

He hasn't stopped yet.  No pretending.  There hasn't been a trend breaker yet.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

 

 

Nothing says contender like the Seahawks and Falcons. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

It should, but it's not like the Seahawks, Dolphins or Falcons are any better

True.  Even mentioning them in the tweet was silly if he really wants to be with a contender.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He hasn't stopped yet.  No pretending.  There hasn't been a trend breaker yet.

Unless I'm forgetting someone, in the last year the only people receiving multi-year deals were players coming off their rookie contracts.  Every other deal was a one year deal.  So, yes, pretending.

23 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Anybody that would want Hurts over Wentz is just spitting into the wind. Pointless.

Would you take Watson over either?

22 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Hurts is floor is well below Wentz is floor

Hurts ceiling is no where near Wentz's past or future ceiling. 

Eagles had a better OL than the Colts(who started 10 different lineups)

Eagles had better talent at WR/TE and it's not even close.

 

Wrong, every site has Hurts and Wentz pretty close to even, running does matter, it helps win games. Hurts is the best or second best running QB.

Wentz has no future ceiling, he's 30, he's been a starter for 6 years, there's "no there there."

Eagles didn't have better talent at WR/TE, Colts had Pittman, Hilton, Pascal, Doyle and Alie-Cox at TE, Hines & Taylor had 80 receptions between them. Pascal and Hilton were down, but some of that may be due to Reich leaning on Taylor as a runner b/c he didn't trust Wentz.

OL:  Fisher LT 15s, Kelly C 14s, Glowinski G 14s, Nelson G 13s, Smith G 11s, Reed G 6s, Pryor RT 5s, Davenport RT 4s, Pinter OL 3s

Eagles:  Kelce C 17s, Mailata LT 14s, Lane RT 13s, Dickerson LG 13s, Driscoll RG 9s, Dillard LT 5s, Herbig G 5s, Seumalo LG 3s, Brooks RG 2s, Opeta RG 2s, Anderson G 1s, Clark OT 1s

So Eagle OL was in as much flux as the Colt OL last season.

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

Trading Cox is 100% the right decision. We'll incur less dead cap than what is publicly out there because of how the contract is structured, but it's still a big hit. 

Personally, I'd take the big hit this year so we can be big players in next year's FA class but we all know Howie won't do that. It also means that Hurts or a draft pick is likely our QB (to keep the cap sheet relatively reasonable).

Not sure you can say that when your profile picture is Fletch holding up his draft jersey!

But yeah, agreed.  We need to get younger and maybe big Fletch can get a ring.

Just now, EricAllenPick6 said:

Not sure you can say that when your profile picture is Fletch holding up his draft jersey!

But yeah, agreed.  We need to get younger and maybe big Fletch can get a ring.

I love Fletcher Cox. All-time great Eagle. Will root for him wherever he goes.

But it's time.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

Trading Cox is 100% the right decision. We'll incur less dead cap than what is publicly out there because of how the contract is structured, but it's still a big hit. 

Personally, I'd take the big hit this year so we can be big players in next year's FA class but we all know Howie won't do that. It also means that Hurts or a draft pick is likely our QB (to keep the cap sheet relatively reasonable).

One should never be a "big player" in any FA class - that's how you screw up your cap and roster.

Focus on value in FA and avoid the "winner's curse." And that means focusing on a few prime targets, not buying the entire menu.

And this "Wentz or Hurts" argument is like saying "which average QB is less average"?  If there were a good QB prospect in this draft (and I don't think there is), I would trade all three 1s to go up and get him.