Moved down a few times to move up in other rounds ... Kept everything in this draft .  Also assuming Davis will not be there at 30... I was planning on grabbing Travis Jones or Winfrey but he was available so took him

 

6 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

Unless I'm forgetting someone, in the last year the only people receiving multi-year deals were players coming off their rookie contracts.  Every other deal was a one year deal.  So, yes, pretending.

He had no option due to the salary cap restrictions... he literally had his hands tied, and yet even with those one year deals, still managed to carry dead money into the second season for garbage players.  And I already went through the structures being the exact same with the poison season and multiple void years at the end being the same creating the need for those third and fourth negotiations.   So, not pretending.  But, I think we've reached the point where continuing to discuss this will just continue to trace the same circle.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He had no option due to the salary cap restrictions... he literally had his hands tied.  And I already went through the structures being the exact same with the poison season and multiple void years at the end being the same creating the need for those third and fourth negotiations.   So, not pretending.  But, I think we've reached the point where continuing to discuss this will just continue to trace the same circle.

Correct, because you're being entirely dishonest. Amazing how you keep harping on second contracts and then you're argument shifted from him still doing these third contracts for older players to be, well he would've if he could.  Talk about a tautology.

6 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Would you take Watson over either?

In a vacuum? Easily. When you add in his legal troubles, possible suspension, and the compensation required, it gets trickier. But talent wise Watson is superior to both. 

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Wrong, every site has Hurts and Wentz pretty close to even, running does matter, it helps win games. Hurts is the best or second best running QB.

Wentz has no future ceiling, he's 30, he's been a starter for 6 years, there's "no there there."

Eagles didn't have better talent at WR/TE, Colts had Pittman, Hilton, Pascal, Doyle and Alie-Cox at TE, Hines & Taylor had 80 receptions between them. Pascal and Hilton were down, but some of that may be due to Reich leaning on Taylor as a runner b/c he didn't trust Wentz.

OL:  Fisher LT 15s, Kelly C 14s, Glowinski G 14s, Nelson G 13s, Smith G 11s, Reed G 6s, Pryor RT 5s, Davenport RT 4s, Pinter OL 3s

Eagles:  Kelce C 17s, Mailata LT 14s, Lane RT 13s, Dickerson LG 13s, Driscoll RG 9s, Dillard LT 5s, Herbig G 5s, Seumalo LG 3s, Brooks RG 2s, Opeta RG 2s, Anderson G 1s, Clark OT 1s

So Eagle OL was in as much flux as the Colt OL last season.

Running is a short term solution, not a long term answer.  Hurts is pretty much what he is at this point.  Which is apparently blind to his left and unwilling down the middle.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

One should never be a "big player" in any FA class - that's how you screw up your cap and roster.

Focus on value in FA and avoid the "winner's curse." And that means focusing on a few prime targets, not buying the entire menu.

I agree about going nuts in FA,  but Howie screwed up the cap/roster without being a big player in FA.  

 

32 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

This seems difficult to believe and would concern me that Howie learned nothing.  Everyone else we've been tied to has been on the younger side.

If you trade Cox, and sign Jones to effectively a two year deal, you don't get older but you buy time for the DEs you draft this year to develop.

Few rookies do much until the second half of their rookie season, and usually break out in year 2 or 3.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

If you trade Cox, and sign Jones to effectively a two year deal, you don't get older but you buy time for the DEs you draft this year to develop.

Few rookies do much until the second half of their rookie season, and usually break out in year 2 or 3.

Buy time to do what?  Who cares?  Next year's team is going anywhere.  Signing a 32 year old to a big contract as a placeholder for young players is beyond stupid and useless in our situation.

7 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Moved down a few times to move up in other rounds ... Kept everything in this draft .  Also assuming Davis will not be there at 30... I was planning on grabbing Travis Jones or Winfrey but he was available so took him 

I wish PFF would update their board before re-activating that grading system (e.g., you shouldn't be getting a F for the Watson and Woods picks).

PFF is still pushing JD99's weight/conditioning and pass rush issues in their grade, while TDN writes about it but still gives him a top-20 grade.

10 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

In a vacuum? Easily. When you add in his legal troubles, possible suspension, and the compensation required, it gets trickier. But talent wise Watson is superior to both. 

As long as the NFL guarantees his suspension is in 2022 I think he becomes more valuable.

7 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

Correct, because you're being entirely dishonest. 

Nope.  Signing players to 1 year deals and spreading the money over two years with void years matches the previous MO.  These second contracts forces a re-negotiation in 2 years and the structure of this matches the previous actions with other players which then turn into the bad 3rd and 4th (and in Cox's case 5th) contract.  It's the same pattern, just at a different part of the path.  

 

We'll see.   I hope you are right and things do turn out differently moving forward.  I just haven't seen a change of behavior yet.  Sorry, that's my honest opinion, and I've explained why.  

11 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I agree about going nuts in FA,  but Howie screwed up the cap/roster without being a big player in FA.  

 

Chip Kelly screwed up the cap/roster. He was in charge for one year, spent all the money, now Howie has to operate the cap like everyone else.

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Wrong, every site has Hurts and Wentz pretty close to even, running does matter, it helps win games. Hurts is the best or second best running QB.

What sites are those ??  I know you hate QB rating, but Jalen Hurts was 22nd in the league, the stat that measures the QB's primary job, passing.

Wentz was 14th.

Now we go to QBR, the stat that takes running into account, Jalen Hurts was 19th in the league, so his running, that matters so much, still does not get him into the top 15.

Wentz was 9th in QBR.

Yes, Wentz made his worst decisions when it mattered most, but Hurts is not close to Wentz, his ceiling is not close to Wentz, and his passing will continue to hamstring the team.  After the Tampa Bay playoff game, teams know they can sell out against the run, spy Hurts, and his passing is not going to stop teams from doing it.

 

12 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

Buy time to do what?  Who cares?  Next year's team is going anywhere.  Signing a 32 year old to a big contract as a placeholder for young players is beyond stupid and useless in our situation.

We agree on this.

17 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Chip Kelly screwed up the cap/roster. He was in charge for one year, spent all the money, now Howie has to operate the cap like everyone else.

Are you trying to be witty?

Whiffed on the secondary but on the plus side our DL and LBs are fixed. 

#draftallofGeorgia

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Whiffed on the secondary but on the plus side our DL and LBs are fixed. 

#draftallofGeorgia

It's fine but we are not getting Travon at 15. He's a top ten pick easily, possibly top 5 now. 

Report: Carson Wentz's lack of leadership, resistance to coaching frustrated Colts

 

The Indianapolis Colts surrendered their 2022 first round draft pick to acquire Carson Wentz's from the Eagles. 

Now they have traded Wentz to the Commanders.  According to Zak Keefer of The Athletic, Wentz's personality played a larger role than his play in his abrupt departure from Indianapolis after one season.

Some inside the Indianapolis Colts’ facility were finished with the Carson Wentz experiment long before the team’s late-season collapse, according to several recent conversations with sources inside the organization. Consecutive losses to Las Vegas and Jacksonville in Weeks 17 and 18 — punctuated by poor play from the starting quarterback — cost the team a 97 percent shot at the playoffs and led to owner Jim Irsay calling it "an epic shortfall that stunned and shocked and appalled us all.”

As for the Colts, the issues with Wentz stretched back to before the season began, one source said, and over the course of the year, some grew frustrated at what they deemed a lack of leadership, a resistance to hard coaching and a reckless style of play, which had a role in several close losses this year.

According to one source, the Colts’ divorce with Wentz this offseason was only a matter of time. All that needed to be decided was whether the team would trade or cut him.

And the fact that the Colts were willing to move on from him without a viable Plan B in place — not to mention a thin free-agent class and no first-round draft choice — is especially telling. That’s how determined the Colts were in their decision.

1 minute ago, pangbun said:

Report: Carson Wentz's lack of leadership, resistance to coaching frustrated Colts

 

The Indianapolis Colts surrendered their 2022 first round draft pick to acquire Carson Wentz's from the Eagles. 

Now they have traded Wentz to the Commanders.  According to Zak Keefer of The Athletic, Wentz's personality played a larger role than his play in his abrupt departure from Indianapolis after one season.

Some inside the Indianapolis Colts’ facility were finished with the Carson Wentz experiment long before the team’s late-season collapse, according to several recent conversations with sources inside the organization. Consecutive losses to Las Vegas and Jacksonville in Weeks 17 and 18 — punctuated by poor play from the starting quarterback — cost the team a 97 percent shot at the playoffs and led to owner Jim Irsay calling it "an epic shortfall that stunned and shocked and appalled us all.”

As for the Colts, the issues with Wentz stretched back to before the season began, one source said, and over the course of the year, some grew frustrated at what they deemed a lack of leadership, a resistance to hard coaching and a reckless style of play, which had a role in several close losses this year.

According to one source, the Colts’ divorce with Wentz this offseason was only a matter of time. All that needed to be decided was whether the team would trade or cut him.

And the fact that the Colts were willing to move on from him without a viable Plan B in place — not to mention a thin free-agent class and no first-round draft choice — is especially telling. That’s how determined the Colts were in their decision.

What's the source?

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I haven't really thought about 3T prospects with Fletcher's seemingly untradeable contract and Milton in the wings.  I guess if he was moved, Matthew Butler from Tennessee would be a nice depth selection in the ~5th.

Butler is a day 3 target of mine. Like him a lot.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Dumb

Ehhhhh...don't see this happening, nor do I want it to.

56 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Moved down a few times to move up in other rounds ... Kept everything in this draft .  Also assuming Davis will not be there at 30... I was planning on grabbing Travis Jones or Winfrey but he was available so took him

 

Haven't been on there since yesterday. They need to recalibrate their grading system. Watson at 62 isn't an F.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What's the source?

Zak Keefer of The Athletic

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What's the source?

Beat reporters at major institutions in two different markets have written about this stuff over the past few years. At what point do you quit insisting this is some conspiracy to trash Carson Wentz?

23 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I agree about going nuts in FA,  but Howie screwed up the cap/roster without being a big player in FA.  

 

The bad moves include Malik McDowell, Flacco and Wilson.  The bad extensions are Brooks, Wentz, and Alshon

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Butler is a day 3 target of mine. Like him a lot.

Ehhhhh...don't see this happening, nor do I want it to.

Haven't been on there since yesterday. They need to recalibrate their grading system. Watson at 62 isn't an F.

I think Chandler is awesome, but he's expensive, older and we are not a contender. If he was 3-5 years younger, then sure. 

I'm hoping Za'Darius Smith becomes a FA. He would be a quality fit/player. Much better than the Dolphins D-lineman rumored to be on the Howie's hit list. 

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Beat reporters at major institutions in two different markets have written about this stuff over the past few years. At what point do you quit insisting this is some conspiracy to trash Carson Wentz?

 

He copied and pasted what appeared to be an entire report... and didn't mention where it was from?   It would be nice to provide a link to the source.   Hence the question... "What's the source?"  

 

4 minutes ago, pangbun said:

Zak Keefer of The Athletic

Thank you.