June 7, 20223 yr The people who redefine racism every other week, can't define what a woman is, created terms like birthing person, front hole and Latinx, use terms like defund the police but maintain it doesn't actually mean defund...have a problem with the word grooming.
June 7, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, NOTW said: The people who redefine racism every other week, can't define what a woman is, created terms like birthing person, front hole and Latinx, use terms like defund the police but maintain it doesn't actually mean defund...have a problem with the word grooming. I love the term "front hole". It's just such a terrible descriptor. Makes me giggle every time. My wife, not so much.
June 8, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, DEagle7 said: I love the term "front hole". It's just such a terrible descriptor. Makes me giggle every time. My wife, not so much. Just tell that birthing person to shut her front hole and go make a sammich. That should help her know her place.
June 8, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, NOTW said: Just tell that birthing person to shut her front hole and go make a sammich. That should help her know her place. Yeah, sounds like a great way for me to lose front hole privileges for awhile.
June 8, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DEagle7 said: Yeah, sounds like a great way for me to lose front hole privileges for awhile. Then use the back hole!
June 8, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, NOTW said: Then use the back hole! Sounds like a winning formula! Probably get two sammies with that line.
June 8, 20223 yr 14 hours ago, DEagle7 said: I suppose. We do know however have a good understanding about the psychological risk factors trans kids experience when they hit puberty and their body changes however so it's not as if you're not dealing with no mental risk beforehand. If you want to look at it that way you're trading known mental risks for minimal medical risk and unknown mental risk. Part of the reason I always recommend people go through a multidisciplinary clinic for any degree of trans care so they have psychological and group support and certainly not a decision to be taken lightly. However also not a decision I feel as if I or anyone else should be able to make for another kid/family. What ages are we talking about here? Having a few kids myself, I cannot image that a youngish (9-11?) kid - especially one whose puberty is triggering early - is in any capable of understanding the long term psychological impact of having puberty blocked, nor do I think that deferring puberty on the premises that a chronologically older but now physically underdeveloped (stunted?) child is better equipped to decide whether to .... have their puberty later? I'm a pretty accepting person but this is getting into a very tenuous area. Kids are by nature immature emotionally, and puberty does nothing to help that. Emotion maturity comes so late (and for some it never does come) that this notion of deferring decisionmaking that a child is supposed to make about something that impacts their entire lives seems pretty damn insane. How many of these kids will regret decisions they actively made (or were coerced into) in their youth vs those who maybe into adulthood regret not transitioning pre-puberty? And wouldn't it be better to put resources into helping the latter group gain a level of acceptance of who they are? There's lots of things I would change about myself as an adult if I could. Lots of choices I wish I had made as a youth that would have altered my life tremendously. I can't compare that to what a trans person may experience because I just don't have that experience, but it's folly to assume that what they feel about their identity is any more real than what "normies" do about theirs. Creating a tortured rationale to justify prescribing puberty blockers to young kids because they MIGHT have some psychological issues to deal with later in life seems like a horrible trade off.
June 8, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: What ages are we talking about here? Having a few kids myself, I cannot image that a youngish (9-11?) kid - especially one whose puberty is triggering early - is in any capable of understanding the long term psychological impact of having puberty blocked, nor do I think that deferring puberty on the premises that a chronologically older but now physically underdeveloped (stunted?) child is better equipped to decide whether to .... have their puberty later? I'm a pretty accepting person but this is getting into a very tenuous area. Kids are by nature immature emotionally, and puberty does nothing to help that. Emotion maturity comes so late (and for some it never does come) that this notion of deferring decisionmaking that a child is supposed to make about something that impacts their entire lives seems pretty damn insane. How many of these kids will regret decisions they actively made (or were coerced into) in their youth vs those who maybe into adulthood regret not transitioning pre-puberty? And wouldn't it be better to put resources into helping the latter group gain a level of acceptance of who they are? There's lots of things I would change about myself as an adult if I could. Lots of choices I wish I had made as a youth that would have altered my life tremendously. I can't compare that to what a trans person may experience because I just don't have that experience, but it's folly to assume that what they feel about their identity is any more real than what "normies" do about theirs. Creating a tortured rationale to justify prescribing puberty blockers to young kids because they MIGHT have some psychological issues to deal with later in life seems like a horrible trade off. Exactly this. This is the experiment Bill is talking about.
June 8, 20223 yr 29 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: What ages are we talking about here? Having a few kids myself, I cannot image that a youngish (9-11?) kid - especially one whose puberty is triggering early - is in any capable of understanding the long term psychological impact of having puberty blocked, nor do I think that deferring puberty on the premises that a chronologically older but now physically underdeveloped (stunted?) child is better equipped to decide whether to .... have their puberty later? I'm a pretty accepting person but this is getting into a very tenuous area. Kids are by nature immature emotionally, and puberty does nothing to help that. Emotion maturity comes so late (and for some it never does come) that this notion of deferring decisionmaking that a child is supposed to make about something that impacts their entire lives seems pretty damn insane. How many of these kids will regret decisions they actively made (or were coerced into) in their youth vs those who maybe into adulthood regret not transitioning pre-puberty? And wouldn't it be better to put resources into helping the latter group gain a level of acceptance of who they are? There's lots of things I would change about myself as an adult if I could. Lots of choices I wish I had made as a youth that would have altered my life tremendously. I can't compare that to what a trans person may experience because I just don't have that experience, but it's folly to assume that what they feel about their identity is any more real than what "normies" do about theirs. Creating a tortured rationale to justify prescribing puberty blockers to young kids because they MIGHT have some psychological issues to deal with later in life seems like a horrible trade off. It's not a matter of "might" with trans kids though. We know that puberty is a time where mental healthcare crises peak in kids who are trans. Depression, anxiety, self harm etc, at much higher rates than "normies". Their bodies change into something they don't identify as their own in front of them Once again I get this argument of "will they regret it" if we were talking about hormonal or surgical irreversible transition. But we're not, we're talking about reversible process that allows them to make that decision once they are older and more emotionally mature while avoiding those mental stressors in the mean time. A decision made at the discretion of the kid, family, trained psychologist, and an specialized endocrinologist. Is it a decision that should be made lightly? Absolutely not. Is it the right choice for all trans kids? Nope. Is it something I would do for my kid if he wanted? I dunno it would be a very tough choice. Is it my business if a kid and their family decides (with the doctor) it's the right thing for them? I don't think it is.
June 8, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: What ages are we talking about here? Having a few kids myself, I cannot image that a youngish (9-11?) kid - especially one whose puberty is triggering early - is in any capable of understanding the long term psychological impact of having puberty blocked, nor do I think that deferring puberty on the premises that a chronologically older but now physically underdeveloped (stunted?) child is better equipped to decide whether to .... have their puberty later? I'm a pretty accepting person but this is getting into a very tenuous area. Kids are by nature immature emotionally, and puberty does nothing to help that. Emotion maturity comes so late (and for some it never does come) that this notion of deferring decisionmaking that a child is supposed to make about something that impacts their entire lives seems pretty damn insane. How many of these kids will regret decisions they actively made (or were coerced into) in their youth vs those who maybe into adulthood regret not transitioning pre-puberty? And wouldn't it be better to put resources into helping the latter group gain a level of acceptance of who they are? There's lots of things I would change about myself as an adult if I could. Lots of choices I wish I had made as a youth that would have altered my life tremendously. I can't compare that to what a trans person may experience because I just don't have that experience, but it's folly to assume that what they feel about their identity is any more real than what "normies" do about theirs. Creating a tortured rationale to justify prescribing puberty blockers to young kids because they MIGHT have some psychological issues to deal with later in life seems like a horrible trade off. We aren't talking about most kids. And we are talking about treatments with a long history of use, efficacy, and are easily reversible. I agree nothing permanent should take place until the child grows into an adult and has more life experience to make permanent decisions. The kids who get these treatments are the exception to the exceptional... Not maybe some psychological issues later in life... There are psychological issues right now. Where it will be damaging to delay treatment, possibly even life or death.
June 8, 20223 yr Are there any reliable statistics on minors taking puberty blockers or other transition related medical (not psychological) treatment? My suspicion would be that the number is incredibly small, but I have no real context. I would wager a guess that the 20% of genz or whatever that was referenced earlier is made up almost entirely of gay, lesbian, and bisexuals, and 20% of humanity being open to or exclusively interested in same sex relations doesn't seem unreasonable. Sexually people are simply more open minded and less likely to rule out same sex relations over concerns of being socially ostracized. And that is a good thing IMHO. Trans presents a different proposition than a gay or lesbian fling however. When you get into medical treatments or therapies that are specifically designed to counteract a human body's natural growth (especially one as complex and specialized as puberty), you're getting into an area of permanently altering your being for life. It doesn't matter if it's reversible in a clinical sense, there are consequences to even detouring down that path and delaying puberty. All that said I'd like to put things in context. If we're taking about 1 in 50,000 kids that's a different level of social energy that needs to be devoted to a controversial "problem" than in say 1 in 100.
June 8, 20223 yr Author I mean, can we stop saying that pumping these kids with puberty blockers is "easily reversible" and has no adverse effects? It causes bone density issues and stunts their growth. Kids suffering from gender dysphoria are already going through a lot, there's no reason to give them something that makes them end up like @we_gotta_believe on top of it.
June 8, 20223 yr Author A drag queen named **** performed for a bunch of middle schoolers. But yeah, this definitely isn't grooming.
June 8, 20223 yr 48 pages in and I think we can all agree - Governor DeSantis is a savior sent by God himself. A true pioneer who actually cares about the children of his state.
June 8, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, Kz! said: I mean, can we stop saying that pumping these kids with puberty blockers is "easily reversible" and has no adverse effects? It causes bone density issues and stunts their growth. Kids suffering from gender dysphoria are already going through a lot, there's no reason to give them something that makes them end up like @we_gotta_believe on top of it. If only your brain development hadn't been stunted, perhaps your parents wouldn't be so disappointed now.
June 8, 20223 yr 43 minutes ago, toolg said: We aren't talking about most kids. And we are talking about treatments with a long history of use, efficacy, and are easily reversible. I agree nothing permanent should take place until the child grows into an adult and has more life experience to make permanent decisions. The kids who get these treatments are the exception to the exceptional... Not maybe some psychological issues later in life... There are psychological issues right now. Where it will be damaging to delay treatment, possibly even life or death. Can a child grow into a mature adult with full life type experiences without going thru puberty?
June 8, 20223 yr Author Child in drag dancing for adults. How progressive! @toolg: "Yass, slay queeeeeen!"
June 8, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, Kz! said: Child in drag dancing for adults. How progressive! @toolg: "Yass, slay queeeeeen!" If you think it's child porn/grooming, maybe don't post a video of it on the board, you pervert.
June 8, 20223 yr Just now, mikemack8 said: It's true though. It's gross. I don't want to see that sheet. Do you?
June 8, 20223 yr Author 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: If you think it's child porn/grooming, maybe don't post a video of it on the board, you pervert. lmfao "quit exposing my side" Oh and "child porn?" Really dude? You're legitimately retarded.
June 8, 20223 yr Just now, Kz! said: lmfao "quit exposing my side" Oh and "child porn?" Really dude? You're legitimately retarded. It's kids dancing around sexually. It's gross. I realize you'll post anything that pops up on your twitter feed, but try using some common sense on this one.
June 8, 20223 yr Author Just now, VanHammersly said: It's kids dancing around sexually. It's gross. I realize you'll post anything that pops up on your twitter feed, but try using some common sense on this one. Nope, I think I'll continue exposing disgusting grooming liberals in here, and you can continue to cope and seethe about it. Oh and here's good morning america promoting a child drag queen who dances around sexually.
June 8, 20223 yr Author 39 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: 48 pages in and I think we can all agree - Governor DeSantis is a savior sent by God himself. A true pioneer who actually cares about the children of his state. 48 pages in and we've gone from "no one is grooming kids lol" to "please stop posting this stuff it's child porn." I love that I completely broke van on this one.
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