2 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I love this place.  The people who can't realize that a person with a P thinking he's a woman (and vice versa) have a mental illness think I'm the crazy one  

You literally watched a mother publicly brand her own daughter that was suicidal for 3 years as an "emotional manipulator" and instead of recoiling, you found yourself nodding along. But please, tell us more about mental illness. 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You literally watched a mother publicly brand her own daughter that was suicidal for 3 years as an "emotional manipulator" and instead of recoiling, you found yourself nodding along. But please, tell us more about mental illness. 

It says a lot that, without knowing any actual details about the situation aside from a 90 second clip, you would side with the child.  I'm guessing you're one of those parents that lets his kids run around the restaurant and scream constantly, too.  

@mikemack8  I just went to lunch but now I'm back. 

What the F are you even talking about right now?   Do you for some reason think she wasn't saying that she'd let her kid commit suicide?   Because she definitely said she would in the video.

Just now, mikemack8 said:

It says a lot that, without knowing any actual details about the situation aside from a 90 second clip, you would side with the child.  I'm guessing you're one of those parents that lets his kids run around the restaurant and scream constantly, too.  

I know nothing of the child. Not her age, mental situation, or anything else. All I know is that a mother publicly shamed her, and in the process made herself out to be a victim, all to score political points. That's absolute horrific parenting, and it honestly disturbs me that there are so many people like you that can't see anything wrong with it. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I know nothing of the child. Not her age, mental situation, or anything else. All I know is that a mother publicly shamed her, and in the process made herself out to be a victim, all to score political points. That's absolute horrific parenting, and it honestly disturbs me that there are so many people like you that can't see anything wrong with it. 

What are you talking about?  Only the best parents....checks notes....allow their children to die.

Parenting is a job that requires a fertile woman and some healthy sperm.

 

Sadly, there are no other qualifications. I would say less than half of them are fit to parent.

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I know nothing of the child. Not her age, mental situation, or anything else. All I know is that a mother publicly shamed her, and in the process made herself out to be a victim, all to score political points. That's absolute horrific parenting, and it honestly disturbs me that there are so many people like you that can't see anything wrong with it. 

 

13 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

 I'm guessing you're one of those parents that lets his kids run around the restaurant and scream constantly, too.  

Confirmed. Then again with them likely already being bigger than you, it's probably not really up to you. 

50 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Nowhere in that video did she make that statement  

You clowns are so so so desperate to groom and mutilate children - it's really sad TBH 

she's basically saying whatever problem her kid was having (no idea if it was gender dysphoria or something else) was "emotional manipulation" and she wasn't going to "give in" to that. even if it meant the daughter was at higher risk for suicide.

she may not have said verbatim that she would rather have had her kid commit suicide than get gender affirming care, but she absolutely made a conscious choice to play chicken with her daughter. and that game may have worked out (so far) for her, but we have no idea what effect it will have on her kid.

it's definitely plausible that this was "just a phase" and that the mom did the right thing in not allowing emotional impulses complicated by adolescent hormones manifest in a potentially negative treatment. and I can say that as a parent she had every right to raise her child the best way she knows how.

it's also plausible that other parents recognize that the threat of suicide is more real, and are faced with a very difficult choice in how to deal with those. and if those parents choose impermanent gender affirming care, I think that's ok too. 

(I'm not on board with surgeries relating to gender for minors.)

What sucks about Mike deflecting from this into some weird babbling right wing bot is that what she's talking about is literally the entire heart of this issue.  You have a bunch of mentally ill kids (I agree that they're mentally ill) who want to radically alter their body in a way that's permanent before their minds are developed and when they're highly emotional and make rash decisions.  So, there's obviously a huge concern with letting them do something to themselves that they can never reverse.  And, if that were the whole issue, then the position should 100% be 'no, you can't do this until you're 18 without exception'.

Unfortunately, the other side of it is that since they're mentally ill, they're susceptible to other massive rash decisions like committing suicide.  And aside from this nutbag lady (who Mike is defending for some insane reason), no one wants to allow their child to take their own life.

So how do you balance these two issues?  Well probably, first and foremost, you certainly don't encourage kids to do this.  Kids doing it because they're really ill and feel like there's no other way out for them, is one thing, but kids doing it because it's cool and they know other kids who are doing it is completely psychotic and should never happen.  So any clinic that's participating in any outreach on this issue is done immediately.  Then, you have to make it much, much harder to obtain.  Not exactly sure how you do that, but there has to be some really, really stringent standards here where only the most dire of situations results in a teenager getting hormone therapy.   And as for surgery, I'd say you can flat outlaw it altogether for minors.  It's just too permanent.  Hormone therapy will have to do to satiate a desperate kid. 

And then to add to that, you also have the right who really just wants this issue as a wedge issue, which guarantees there won't be any subtlety/compromise here from either side.  It'll be all or nothing depending on the make up of the state, which is honestly a tragedy since you'll end up with disfigured kids in blue states and dead kids in red states.

14 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

 

Confirmed

No, my kids know to sit down and be respectful of others at a restaurant. It's a communal space, and the young couple without kids that may be sitting next to us deserves to enjoy a nice quiet meal just as much as anyone else. We raise our kids to understand that the world doesn't revolve around them, or our family, and that there's a time and place for running and being loud, and it sure isn't in a restaurant while people are trying to eat. 

See that's the thing about having consideration for others, it has to be taught. Anyone can raise a kid to be selfish and disruptive, because kids are basically born with those inherent traits. There's a reason why the cliche of sharing is a point of emphasis at young ages. Lazy parenting would be to avoid this all together because actually teaching their kids anything takes time and effort, and apparently some level of intelligence not present in a large segment of the population.

Mind you, none of this has anything to do with the video in question though. A video that should've disgusted you, but instead you're choosing to defend the vile behavior of that woman. Behavior that is no doubt reflected in many other parents just like her, who will go on to raise kids with all sorts of problems as a result. You refer to the daughter having a mental illness, and while we have no evidence beyond the words in that video, with a mother like that, it would frankly be a miracle if the kid wasn't already completely F'ed up in the head. 

FWIW I'm guessing this is her daughter: https://alaskananooks.com/sports/womens-swimming-and-diving/roster/ashley-crowe/1717 

From the same area, mother is Kerry Crow, and from what I can tell this house rep's daughter is named Ashley.

Presumably she is still alive; she was a college sophomore in 2010-2011. So she'd probably be around 30 now. 

 It's just odd to me how we try to normalize this behavior.  If your 12 year old came to you and told you he wanted to get a tattoo on his face to match Post Malone or he was going to kill himself, you would probably tell him to STFU and take his Playstation for being such an idiot.  

I'm certainly no expert on suicide, or its prevention, but I've talked to people who have been around it and have been told that more often than not the people who say they're going to do it almost never do.  It's the ones you don't hear anything from that you have to be concerned with.  Especially with kids.  

Just now, mikemack8 said:

 It's just odd to me how we try to normalize this behavior. 

Oh yeah, that's totally what's been happening here.

Or maybe (and hear me out here) this is the GOP's new boogeyman for a bit until something else comes along.

Just now, Paul852 said:

Oh yeah, that's totally what's been happening here.

Or maybe (and hear me out here) this is the GOP's new boogeyman for a bit until something else comes along.

Kinda like how everyone on the right hates the constitution because a group of idiots stormed the capitol? 

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

She didn't use those words verbatim, but that was definitely what she was saying.  How would you interpret it, Mike?

It’s hard for him to reconcile information because it has to pass though KZs colon before reaching his brain. 

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

And there's the concession - enjoy the L btch 

Seriously dude, how old are you? 

1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said:

Seriously dude, how old are you? 

 

2 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

It’s hard for him to reconcile information because it has to pass though KZs colon before reaching his brain. 

Old enough not to post nonsense like this.  

9 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

 It's just odd to me how we try to normalize this behavior.  If your 12 year old came to you and told you he wanted to get a tattoo on his face to match Post Malone or he was going to kill himself, you would probably tell him to STFU and take his Playstation for being such an idiot.  

 

You know what I wouldn't do? Go on TV and publicly shame him and call him an emotional manipulator instead of taking him to a psychologist. 

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I'm certainly no expert on suicide, or its prevention, but I've talked to people who have been around it and have been told that more often than not the people who say they're going to do it almost never do.  It's the ones you don't hear anything from that you have to be concerned with.  Especially with kids.  

Neither am I, which is why I'd take him to an actual expert rather than relying on second hand info and refusing to do anything about it. You know, like an actual parent that was concerned for the well being of their child, not a narcissistic sociopath desperately trying to paint themselves as a victim.

Just now, mikemack8 said:

 

Old enough not to post nonsense like this.  

Why you afraid to give your age? 

10 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Kinda like how everyone on the right hates the constitution because a group of idiots stormed the capitol? 

No, just the way you constantly piss on it.

Like making excuses for idiots who tried to throw out everyone's votes. Or not supporting Free Speech, and supporting those who try to squash it.

17 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Kinda like how everyone on the right hates the constitution because a group of idiots stormed the capitol? 

 

I'm against allowing children to have gender changing surgery.  Even with parental consent.  People's minds are very much still developing in their teen years and I don't think someone in that stage of life should be allowed to have irreversible surgery like that. And as far as I know there is no data that even shows that giving someone transition surgery reduces suicide rates.

I've also spoken with a friend of mine who is a professor who studies human health, and he sees a lot of parallels between what we're witnessing now with the transgender craze and the multiple personality disorder craze that we saw in the 80s and 90s.

Now, having said that, that video of the Rep is cringeworthy. She's talking about her kid who was SUICIDAL and she's saying things like "I wasn't going to let her tear apart my family and I wasn't going to let her tear apart me".   Like WTF? What kind of selfish person turns the issue of having a child who is SUICIDAL into an issue about yourself? 

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

I'm against allowing children to have gender changing surgery.  Even with parental consent.  People's minds are very much still developing in their teen years and I don't think someone in that stage of life should be allowed to have irreversible surgery like that. 

I've also spoken with a friend of mine who is a professor who studies human health, and he sees a lot of parallels between what we're witnessing now with the transgender craze and the multiple personality disorder craze that we saw in the 80s and 90s.

Now, having said that, that video of the Rep is cringeworthy. She's talking about her kid who was SUICIDAL and she's saying things like "I wasn't going to let her tear apart my family and I wasn't going to let her tear apart me".   Like WTF? What kind of selfish person turns the issue of having a child who is SUICIDAL into an issue about yourself? 

I cannot believe people are for this, especially their damned parents.

75% of the job is saying "No." and enforcing it. I would not allow my 16 year old to pierce her belly button.

Wait a minute...just from this page alone there's at least 4 non-MAGA's that are against gender surgery.   But I was told everyone who wasn't on the Trump train wanted to permanently disfigure every kid in America.  Now I don't know what to think.