March 31, 20223 yr Just now, Kz! said: OK, so you think it's completely natural that 25% of a population is gay and that percentage is growing and you believe there's still a lot of stigma preventing the full population of lgbt people from coming out. So when the remaining "stigma" is removed, what percentage of a population do you believe will be "naturally" gay? 40%? 50? It is what it is. I can't put an exact number on it. I think your numbers are wild. First you argue 20% of Gen Z. Then it's 20% of everybody. Now you're throwing out 25% to 40% or 50%... Get your facts straight first.
March 31, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, toolg said: It is what it is. I can't put an exact number on it. I think your numbers are wild. First you argue 20% of Gen Z. Then it's 20% of everybody. Now you're throwing out 25% to 40% or 50%... Get your facts straight first. Given that 20% of an entire generation is LGBTQ, I was asking you what percentage you think would be "natural" if stigma is removed. Not throwing out random percentages. Could you really not follow that?
March 31, 20223 yr It's hard to have a neutral discussion about this. I don't think these are the best words here, but I'm a little bit at a loss of how to describe it. I do think that there is some level of transgenderism being looked at as sort of trendy or "cool" these days, or it's at least kind of glorified in a way in a way in the public realm that maybe pushes kids into thinking they are suffering from a gender identity crisis rather than just being different and needing to express themselves. It does provide some level of group acceptance for kids who might otherwise feel isolated, but some of them might just need more support, not necessarily a sex change. For example, a friend of mine is a single dad who has a daughter who just came out as transgender. I think she's in maybe 7th grade. The dad responded like a complete jerk and was totally unaccepting, which is both disappointing and ironic, because he's really liberal. I feel really bad for the kid, but at the same time, I feel like she's going through an age where most of us are still figuring out our identity and it's a little early for her to be diving headfirst into "I'm really a boy." Maybe she is trans, but maybe she also just needs to take the time to find herself and be around people who accept her for who she is. So, on the one hand, the dad needs to show more concern for the kid's mental health and help her navigate this, but his attitude has completely wrecked their relationship and seems to have driven her into a dark place. On the other hand, I feel like our culture has maybe pushed her into thinking that she has a psychological condition when maybe she's just a girl who gravitates to more masculine traits. Her dad is a geeky gamer type whom she's spent the majority of her time around, and I always thought she gave off tomboyish vibes, but never to the extent that I thought she was sexually confused. These situations are tough for both the kids and the parents
March 31, 20223 yr do lgbtqrstuv+ kids get indoctrinated to "straightness" by teachers? or does it only work the other way?
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March 31, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Kz! said: Given that 20% of an entire generation is LGBTQ, I was asking you what percentage you think would be "natural" if stigma is removed. Not throwing out random percentages. Could you really not follow that? No. First, understand there is a spectrum. And gender identity is not sexual orientation is not how you dress or who you are attracted to. Everybody is on the spectrum: From straight, cisgender to homosexual, transsexual, asexual, queer, whatever. You are what you are. Nobody is going to change that. Not a teacher. Not a parent who refuses to accept a LGBTQ+ child. Nobody.
March 31, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: do lgbtqrstuv+ kids get indoctrinated to "straightness" by teachers? or does it only work the other way? I don't know. Given a few posters and their obsessions with gay and trans people, perhaps they were turned straight against their will at a young age.
March 31, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, toolg said: No. First, understand there is a spectrum. And gender identity is not sexual orientation is not how you dress or who you are attracted to. Everybody is on the spectrum: From straight, cisgender to homosexual, transsexual, asexual, queer, whatever. You are what you are. Nobody is going to change that. Not a teacher. Not a parent who refuses to accept a LGBTQ+ child. Nobody. There's a whole lot of overanalyzing here. People just act differently/hang out with who they hang out with/F who they want to F. I don't really see the point in parsing out every character difference into a definable category and then putting that on kids or teenagers. They've got enough anxiety without analyzing their every interaction and deciding where that means they fall on some spectrum. And honestly, for the most part, it's a waste of time for adults, unless it's in an advanced academic setting for the purposes of overanalyzing. I mean, nothing against the Gender Unicorn but he can suck a D (and we all know he does).
March 31, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: It's hard to have a neutral discussion about this. I don't think these are the best words here, but I'm a little bit at a loss of how to describe it. I do think that there is some level of transgenderism being looked at as sort of trendy or "cool" these days, or it's at least kind of glorified in a way in a way in the public realm that maybe pushes kids into thinking they are suffering from a gender identity crisis rather than just being different and needing to express themselves. It does provide some level of group acceptance for kids who might otherwise feel isolated, but some of them might just need more support, not necessarily a sex change. For example, a friend of mine is a single dad who has a daughter who just came out as transgender. I think she's in maybe 7th grade. The dad responded like a complete jerk and was totally unaccepting, which is both disappointing and ironic, because he's really liberal. I feel really bad for the kid, but at the same time, I feel like she's going through an age where most of us are still figuring out our identity and it's a little early for her to be diving headfirst into "I'm really a boy." Maybe she is trans, but maybe she also just needs to take the time to find herself and be around people who accept her for who she is. So, on the one hand, the dad needs to show more concern for the kid's mental health and help her navigate this, but his attitude has completely wrecked their relationship and seems to have driven her into a dark place. On the other hand, I feel like our culture has maybe pushed her into thinking that she has a psychological condition when maybe she's just a girl who gravitates to more masculine traits. Her dad is a geeky gamer type who she's spent the majority of her time around, and I always thought she gave off tomboyish vibes, but never to the extent that I thought she was sexually confused. These situations are tough for both the kids and the parents Kids need space to find themselves. Being a teenager is a confusing time, because all kinds of changes are happening to their bodies, hormones are all whacky, and they're feeling different feelings. Parents have to find the right balance. Because they have to support the kid, give them room, and still be able to protect them from themselves or anybody else that might try to ostracize them for who they are. I hope this girl has a support system beyond the single dad; grandparent(s), mother, step-mother, extended family, family friend, something.
March 31, 20223 yr Author 17 minutes ago, toolg said: No. First, understand there is a spectrum. And gender identity is not sexual orientation is not how you dress or who you are attracted to. Everybody is on the spectrum: From straight, cisgender to homosexual, transsexual, asexual, queer, whatever. You are what you are. Nobody is going to change that. Not a teacher. Not a parent who refuses to accept a LGBTQ+ child. Nobody. I can't imagine how naïve you have to be to think that exploding rates of transgenderism and kids identifying as LGBT is completely normal and natural. That's why I always say liberalism is a cult. You even included a picture designed to brainwash and confuse impressionable children and everything. Unreal.
March 31, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: There's a whole lot of overanalyzing here. People just act differently/hang out with who they hang out with/F who they want to F. I don't really see the point in parsing out every character difference into a definable category and then putting that on kids or teenagers. They've got enough anxiety without analyzing their every interaction and deciding where that means they fall on some spectrum. And honestly, for the most part, it's a waste of time for adults, unless it's in an advanced academic setting for the purposes of overanalyzing. I mean, nothing against the Gender Unicorn but he can suck a D (and we all know he does). I had to make it kindergarten for Kz! And btw, no, this is not a grade school graphic. It's for college kids.
March 31, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: It's hard to have a neutral discussion about this. I don't think these are the best words here, but I'm a little bit at a loss of how to describe it. I do think that there is some level of transgenderism being looked at as sort of trendy or "cool" these days, or it's at least kind of glorified in a way in a way in the public realm that maybe pushes kids into thinking they are suffering from a gender identity crisis rather than just being different and needing to express themselves. It does provide some level of group acceptance for kids who might otherwise feel isolated, but some of them might just need more support, not necessarily a sex change. For example, a friend of mine is a single dad who has a daughter who just came out as transgender. I think she's in maybe 7th grade. The dad responded like a complete jerk and was totally unaccepting, which is both disappointing and ironic, because he's really liberal. I feel really bad for the kid, but at the same time, I feel like she's going through an age where most of us are still figuring out our identity and it's a little early for her to be diving headfirst into "I'm really a boy." Maybe she is trans, but maybe she also just needs to take the time to find herself and be around people who accept her for who she is. So, on the one hand, the dad needs to show more concern for the kid's mental health and help her navigate this, but his attitude has completely wrecked their relationship and seems to have driven her into a dark place. On the other hand, I feel like our culture has maybe pushed her into thinking that she has a psychological condition when maybe she's just a girl who gravitates to more masculine traits. Her dad is a geeky gamer type whom she's spent the majority of her time around, and I always thought she gave off tomboyish vibes, but never to the extent that I thought she was sexually confused. These situations are tough for both the kids and the parents Great post. I think the issue is we are giving way too much deference to the decisions made by adolescents and pre-pubescents, many of whom are simply being bombarded by the idea that this is cool and trendy. The idea that a 12 year old girl is mature enough to decide that she is really a boy is...laughable. And in places like NYC, you're seeing this with kids as young as 4 or 5 at times. There has to be a happy medium of allowing the 12 year old girl to dress like a tomboy, play sports, etc. while stopping her from making potentially life altering decisions before she has the mental capacity to do so. Any parent that starts medical or surgical transitions for a child should frankly be arrested for child abuse. I don't have kids because...kids are awful (as demonstrated by this thread). If I did, and one of them said they were transgender when they were 10, I'd say "OK, that's great. But until you are 18, you don't get to make that decision."
March 31, 20223 yr Guys, when it comes to assessing which things are normal and natural, we should definitely listen to the guy who begs strangers on the internet to mock him for attention. Flexing over going to a Hanson concert in 2021? Normal and natural Bragging about buying a lawnmower? Normal and natural Being an unamerican traior that sympathizes with terrorists and a Russian invasion of Ukraine? Normal and natural
March 31, 20223 yr The important thing is that Florida has solved all its serious problems, like waste spills, bath salt/meth heads, and God's repeated attempts to wipe the state clean by storm.
March 31, 20223 yr Author 7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Guys, when it comes to assessing which things are normal and natural, we should definitely listen to the guy who begs strangers on the internet to mock him for attention. Flexing over going to a Hanson concert in 2021? Normal and natural Bragging about buying a lawnmower? Normal and natural Being an unamerican traior that sympathizes with terrorists and a Russian invasion of Ukraine? Normal and natural
March 31, 20223 yr Author 7 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Great post. I think the issue is we are giving way too much deference to the decisions made by adolescents and pre-pubescents, many of whom are simply being bombarded by the idea that this is cool and trendy. The idea that a 12 year old girl is mature enough to decide that she is really a boy is...laughable. And in places like NYC, you're seeing this with kids as young as 4 or 5 at times. There has to be a happy medium of allowing the 12 year old girl to dress like a tomboy, play sports, etc. while stopping her from making potentially life altering decisions before she has the mental capacity to do so. Any parent that starts medical or surgical transitions for a child should frankly be arrested for child abuse. I don't have kids because...kids are awful (as demonstrated by this thread). If I did, and one of them said they were transgender when they were 10, I'd say "OK, that's great. But until you are 18, you don't get to make that decision." Exactly. We're now in a situation where kids who are in elementary school are coming out as "trans" and liberals like @toolg think that's just a natural, normal thing that isn't the result of some sort of adult or societal pressure in their lives. We're reaching levels of ishlibbery that shouldn't even be possible.
March 31, 20223 yr Just now, Kz! said: Exactly. We're now in a situation where kids who are in elementary school are coming out as "trans" and liberals like @toolg think that's just a natural, normal thing that isn't the result of some sort of adult or societal pressure in their lives. We're reaching levels of ishlibbery that shouldn't even be possible.
March 31, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Great post. I think the issue is we are giving way too much deference to the decisions made by adolescents and pre-pubescents, many of whom are simply being bombarded by the idea that this is cool and trendy. The idea that a 12 year old girl is mature enough to decide that she is really a boy is...laughable. And in places like NYC, you're seeing this with kids as young as 4 or 5 at times. There has to be a happy medium of allowing the 12 year old girl to dress like a tomboy, play sports, etc. while stopping her from making potentially life altering decisions before she has the mental capacity to do so. Any parent that starts medical or surgical transitions for a child should frankly be arrested for child abuse. I don't have kids because...kids are awful (as demonstrated by this thread). If I did, and one of them said they were transgender when they were 10, I'd say "OK, that's great. But until you are 18, you don't get to make that decision." Are you talking about letting them identify/dress as what they want to identify/dress, or undergo something like hormone therapy? Because those are very different issues.
March 31, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Any parent that starts medical or surgical transitions for a child should frankly be arrested for child abuse. This is the only part I disagree with, because I'm pretty sure that 99% of the time, the parents are desperate to help a child who is extremely maladjusted, and then they are encouraged to do this by medical professionals who present it as a completely rational form of treatment, and then they and the kid see it reinforced by the media, etc., so everything seems to be pointing to it as the right thing to do. If a parent literally fears for their kid's life or future ability to function in society, they will trust the doctor's advice, even if it goes against their instincts. I'm not sure that we have to limit it to 18, because if someone really does need to transition, I'm pretty sure that they are much more likely to do so successfully before they are developmentally mature, so I could see an argument for maybe age 16 in extreme cases where a team of professionals reach a consensus with parental permission. Just my 2 cents.
March 31, 20223 yr Just now, DEagle7 said: Are you talking about letting them identify/dress as what they want to identify/dress, or undergo something like hormone therapy? Because those are very different issues. Hormone therapy/surgery If I had a 12 year old daughter that wanted to identify as a boy, I'd talk to her about it. Tell her she can cut her hair short, dress as a boy, etc. I'd also let her know that kids were going to make fun of her, and that she couldn't have a stroke if someone used the wrong pronoun because that's how it will be in real life. Then, if she still wanted to try it, I'd allow it for a bit and VERY closely monitor how she was handling it. And, frankly, I'd hope she'd grow out of it. It's like when every 12 year old girl at some point decides to be a vegetarian. You support it while secretly rooting for her to cave.
March 31, 20223 yr Author If you are a good, non-abusive parent that's heavily involved in your child's life, the chance they develop gender dysphoria is very, very small.
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