June 27, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Whew, good. scared me there for a second. Her sandwich isn't going to make itself. Hop to it!
June 27, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, TEW said: Women are liberated. They just have to take responsibility for their own choices without murdering children. If fetuses were children they wouldn't be called fetuses. No matter how many times you try to say it, it's factually incorrect. It's nothing more than your subjective judgement.
June 27, 20223 yr Just now, dawkins4prez said: You're getting weaker by the post. Maternity leave can be a career killer in ultra competitive fields. But go way down the ballot and you find that women with children simply have to take more sick days and vacation because child rearing eats it up. Women without children do not take more off than men, if anything they take less. Even if everything can be explained by children, which is of course false, that’s their choice. No one forced them to have sex. No one forced them not to use multiple forms of contraception. No one forced them to not have their tubes tied. They’re adults. They make choices. Their choices have consequences.
June 27, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, TEW said: I’m sure you were devastated. Yeah, I think I told you that story years back. We kind of stopped talking when I told her that I thought the market had something to do with setting salaries and if some male dominated professions earned more than female dominated professions that it wasn't only based on some sort of gender thing. She thought that was a bollocks argument and that some central authority should sort that out somehow. We didn't get past that one.
June 27, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: You're getting weaker by the post. Maternity leave can be a career killer in ultra competitive fields. But go way down the ballot and you find that women with children simply have to take more sick days and vacation because child rearing eats it up. Women without children do not take more off than men, if anything they take less. thats a good one
June 27, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: If fetuses were children they wouldn't be called fetuses. No matter how many times you try to say it, it's factually incorrect. It's nothing more than your subjective judgement. No, it’s factually correct, which is why if you murder a pregnant women you get two counts of murder — because she is carrying a child with a life which you have also murdered. No matter how many times you try to claim a pregnant woman doesn’t have another human life within her, the law disagrees with you.
June 27, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: If fetuses were children they wouldn't be called fetuses. No matter how many times you try to say it, it's factually incorrect. It's nothing more than your subjective judgement. I am deeply fascinated by how so many can completely disconnect Baby from Fetus, where one is seen as a complete throw away, and the other is so sacred. Yet, a fetus will be a baby in most cases if left in the mother for the full term. We have been conditioned to do so, yet, ultrasound pictures of a 15 week old fetus, sure looks like a baby to me.
June 27, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: After legitimate push back from the wage gap deniers, everybody was forced to look into the issue with more precise data. What they found was that the wage gap does exist, for women with children. those are the ones that as TEW rightly points out, simply have other priorities. This is why the wage gap, abortions and women's liberation are all inextricably tied. Which has absolutely nothing to do with equal pay for equal work which is ALWAYS what everyone thinks the discussion is about. So it seems you really want to talk about value that women and men get out of living with job compensation a major parameter. Shall we agree that there isn't an equal pay for equal work issue and proceed to talk about overall value in life and how being a women impacts that topic vs being a man?
June 27, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: I am deeply fascinated by how so many can completely disconnect Baby from Fetus, where one is seen as a complete throw away, and the other is so sacred. Yet, a fetus will be a baby in most cases if left in the mother for the full term. We have been conditioned to do so, yet, ultrasound pictures of a 20 week old fetus, sure looks like a baby to me. Nobody said that. Terminating a fetus is a usually traumatic and difficult decision, one that as we already pointed out, women have been making for millenia. It has value, it's alive, but it isn't a baby.
June 27, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Which has absolutely nothing to do with equal pay for equal work which is ALWAYS what everyone thinks the discussion is about. So it seems you really want to talk about value that women and men get out of living with job compensation a major parameter. Shall we agree that there isn't an equal pay for equal work issue and proceed to talk about overall value in life and how being a women impacts that topic vs being a man? No I don't think we'll be agreeing on anything. It DOES have to do with equal pay for equal work IF HAVING CHILDREN HANDICAPS THE ABILITY TO PERFORM EQUAL WORK. I also have no intention of going down whatever rabbit hole of illogic you mean by "value in life"
June 27, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, TEW said: No, it’s factually correct, which is why if you murder a pregnant women you get two counts of murder — because she is carrying a child with a life which you have also murdered. No matter how many times you try to claim a pregnant woman doesn’t have another human life within her, the law disagrees with you. Lots of contradictions in this area. This one being one of the largest ones
June 27, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: No I don't think we'll be agreeing on anything. It DOES have to do with equal pay for equal work IF HAVING CHILDREN HANDICAPS THE ABILITY TO PERFORM EQUAL WORK. I also have no intention of going down whatever rabbit hole of illogic you mean by "value in life" The wage gap is a myth generally. Its akin to a medical leave for a man maybe delaying some advancement for that year.
June 27, 20223 yr Just now, dawkins4prez said: No I don't think we'll be agreeing on anything. It DOES have to do with equal pay for equal work IF HAVING CHILDREN HANDICAPS THE ABILITY TO PERFORM EQUAL WORK. I also have no intention of going down whatever rabbit hole of illogic you mean by "value in life" I'm pro toward extending parental leave type benefits and providing some protection of job/role loss or reduction during that leave. Happy to go down that path for that specific topic. However, you are conflating two very different things. One is the compensation paid to an individual for actual contribution and the other is some sort of discussion about pay based on potential contribution by an individual if conditions for that individual were other than they are in reality. If you want to talk about equal pay for equal work then stick to that. If you want to talk about overall life situations differing for women vs. men then we can do that.
June 27, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Ipiggles said: I am trying to understand, how some people can have so much compassion for a baby outside the womb, and yet completely disconnect any feelings and have ZERO compassion for the baby in the womb? Why? You republicans couldn't care less about them once they're born.
June 27, 20223 yr 49 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Nah, I think I blocked you from being able send me PMs Wait.... you can do that to Dr. Philly? I know you're not use to hearing this but....... teach me.
June 27, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Nobody said that. Terminating a fetus is a usually traumatic and difficult decision, one that as we already pointed out, women have been making for millenia. It has value, it's alive, but it isn't a baby. Not to mention it's already been established that most abortions are in the first 15 weeks. A picture of a 20 week old fetus with no sense of self or consciousness in any human sense is nothing more than an appeal to emotion - exactly the sort of thing the right loves to endlessly deride "the left" about.
June 27, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: No I don't think we'll be agreeing on anything. It DOES have to do with equal pay for equal work IF HAVING CHILDREN HANDICAPS THE ABILITY TO PERFORM EQUAL WORK. I also have no intention of going down whatever rabbit hole of illogic you mean by "value in life" Having children is a choice. No one is "handicapped” because they value something outside of work more than their career. It’s simply an opportunity cost.
June 27, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: So you weren't really talking about equal pay for equal work. You were talking about something else. Yeah…adulting
June 27, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: The wage gap is a myth generally. Its akin to a medical leave for a man maybe delaying some advancement for that year. Wt actual F? You are all acting like the effect of having a kid stops after the maternity leave. Most of you have kids and all you all know damn well who usually gets stuck with the sports practices, the medical emergencies, the kid sick and nobody to babysit, etc etc etc etc because child rearing is a never ending time, money and energy sink.
June 27, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, paco said: Wait.... you can do that to Dr. Philly? I know you're not use to hearing this but....... teach me.
June 27, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: Yeah…adulting No, child rearing, which disproportionately by a very wide margin falls on the mother. What f'ing cave did you people crawl out of?
June 27, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, TEW said: Having children is a choice. No one is "handicapped” because they value something outside of work more than their career. It’s simply an opportunity cost. Check mate buddy. i shalt drop this mic and have some wine.
June 27, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Yeah, but is that just PMs or everything? Because this is THE PLACE for updates on Sweeden for me. I can't lose those posts.
June 27, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: Congratulations! You successfully blocked me from sending you exactly one PM. You Fing deek.
June 27, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said: Check mate buddy. i shalt drop this mic and have some wine. That’s not the mic drop you think it is. It’s a choice because there are so many actions that can be taken prior to an egg being fertilized, not because a mother can murder her child.
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