2 minutes ago, paco said:

Yeah, but is that just PMs or everything?  Because this is THE PLACE for updates on Sweeden for me.  I can't lose those posts.

I hope it is everything and he manually clicks the option to read my ignored posts and then reply to them 20x a day

4 minutes ago, paco said:

Yeah, but is that just PMs or everything?  Because this is THE PLACE for updates on Sweeden for me.  I can't lose those posts.

Now now, don't forget about all the info I give you about your barber.  Where would you be without that?

33 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Nobody said that.  Terminating a fetus is a usually traumatic and difficult decision, one that as we already pointed out, women have been making for millenia.  It has value, it's alive, but it isn't a baby.

Again- I cant for the life of me, understand this thought. Fascinates me. Like some magical point on a timeline determines how we feel about it? 

I really think we are just conditioned to believe this. 

 

And just because we can, doesn't mean we should, especially just because life would be easier without a child.

 

4 minutes ago, paco said:

Yeah, but is that just PMs or everything?  Because this is THE PLACE for updates on Sweeden for me.  I can't lose those posts.

You should subscribe to his podcast.

It's a fetus, until birth when it is no longer biologically dependent upon the mother. 

Can a 15 week old fetus survive without the mother? 

 

Just now, Dave Moss said:

You should subscribe to his podcast.

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

You should subscribe to his podcast.

My subscribers' cap is full but if you'd like to xfer your subscription to paco I can have my customer relations team sort that out.  Drop me a PM and consider it done.  I'll waive the xfer fee and if a new spot opens up down the road you're free to sign up again.

2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

It's a fetus, until birth when it is no longer biologically dependent upon the mother. 

Can a 15 week old fetus survive without the mother? 

 

22 week old one can 🤷‍♂️

 

Once you see a micro preemie not only survive but thrive, pushing that cut off further out becomes disgusting IMO. 

Just now, paco said:

22 week old one can 🤷‍♂️

 

Once you see a micro preemie not only survive but thrive, pushing that cut off further out becomes disgusting IMO. 

This is where things get dicey for me.  I'm Pro Choice but only up to a point.

1 minute ago, paco said:

22 week old one can 🤷‍♂️

 

Once you see a micro preemie not only survive but thrive, pushing that cut off further out becomes disgusting IMO. 

That's nearly 6 months pregnant. Seems inhumane to suddenly change your mind at that point.

1 minute ago, paco said:

22 week old one can 🤷‍♂️

 

Once you see a micro preemie not only survive but thrive, pushing that cut off further out becomes disgusting IMO. 

Ok. I can accept the 22 week cut off. The only exception there, would be to save the life of the mother. 

20 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

No, child rearing, which disproportionately by a very wide margin falls on the mother.  What f'ing cave did you people crawl out of?

Your moms box

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

This is where things get dicey for me.  I'm Pro Choice but only up to a point.

No doubt.  I lean pro choice out of concern of what desperate women may do to themselves if medical support is removed but that's the ONLY reason.  Outside of that I find the practice disgusting.  Life does begin at conception.

 

4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

That's nearly 6 months pregnant. Seems inhumane to suddenly change your mind at that point.

Yet people advocate for even later abortions.

5 minutes ago, paco said:

22 week old one can 🤷‍♂️

 

Once you see a micro preemie not only survive but thrive, pushing that cut off further out becomes disgusting IMO. 

Most dont survive. Thrive is very rare. 
 

but ideally we would be able to reach some timeline where everyone can live with it

so naturally we wont

4 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

It's a fetus, until birth when it is no longer biologically dependent upon the mother. 

Can a 15 week old fetus survive without the mother? 

 

I mean we can admit that aborting a fetus is never a good thing, but forcing a woman to give birth like we’re breeding dogs isn’t a good option either.  It’s a lose-lose situation.  I think most women prefer to make their own choice rather than have no choice.  Ipiggles and others conveniently avoid that fact.

2 minutes ago, paco said:

No doubt.  I lean pro choice out of concern of what desperate women may do to themselves if medical support is removed but that's the ONLY reason.  Outside of that I find the practice disgusting.  Life does begin at conception.

 

Yet people advocate for even later abortions.

Pretty much. In a perfect world everyone involved would take responsibility for the pregnancy. We don't live in a perfect world.

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

I mean we can admit that aborting a fetus is never a good thing, but forcing a woman to give birth like we’re breeding dogs isn’t a good option either.  It’s a lose-lose situation.  I think most women prefer to make their own choice rather than have no choice.  Ipiggles and others conveniently avoid that fact.

I think it's just as sickening to make a rape victim go full term and deliver the rapists baby. Some women may choose suicide instead. That's disgusting as well.

 

But hey, I guess the Rapist has rights. 

41 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Most dont survive. Thrive is very rare. 

Not getting into details but we've personally seen it.   Plus with the a-holes here, I don't feel like getting into a multipage debate on the word "thrive" only to have bottom feeding tools like WGB to then hang on a single detail to autisticly comment on for 5 years. 

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

Pretty much. In a perfect world everyone involved would take responsibility for the pregnancy. We don't live in a perfect world.

Nope...  Thus my "cull the population" position I hit pause on out of respect for people suffering through a pandemic.

43 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Lots of contradictions in this area. This one being one of the largest ones

except that one is a voluntary severing of a piece of one's body from itself (a fetus) and another is someone violently separating someone from their life. 

the double-homicide for pregnancy laws were specifically on the books to try to make this case for abortion. more emotional nonsense. 

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Nope...  Thus my "cull the population" position I hit pause on out of respect for people suffering through a pandemic.

Pick it back up! Maybe we can get this supply issue under control.

21 minutes ago, paco said:

Not getting into details but we've personally seen it.   Plus with the a-holes here, I don't feel like getting into a multipage debate on the word "thrive" only for to have bottom feeding tools like WGB to then hang on a single detail to autisticly comment on for 5 years. 

 Nobody gets more defensive over being told they don't understand something than you do, paco. 

 

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Your moms box

You're brothers?

😲

22 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Again- I cant for the life of me, understand this thought. Fascinates me. Like some magical point on a timeline determines how we feel about it? 

I really think we are just conditioned to believe this. 

 

And just because we can, doesn't mean we should, especially just because life would be easier without a child.

 

well if that's how you feel, you probably shouldn't opt for an abortion.

but that doesn't answer the question of whether it should be an option for someone who doesn't think the same way.

weird that a free country would allow people to look at the same situation two different ways. for me, I'll opt for the one that retains a woman's right to choose whether she wants to terminate a pregnancy early on (I'll keep it to the 15 week threshold, which should be time for most outside of medical conditions that may arise later which should also be permissable) well before the consciousness of the fetus resembles anything human..