3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

You took that literally?

I did. Only because I want the possibility of it to be true really bad.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Read the link I just posted. 

This is directly from an official Catholic resource:

Know what the Bible is – and what it isn't. The Bible is the story of God's relationship with the people he has called to himself. It is not intended to be read as history text, a science book, or a political manifesto. In the Bible, God teaches us the truths that we need for the sake of our salvation

How do you know that's true though? Maybe everything in it literally happened.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You're not answering my question, Mike. You apparently can't comprehend simple questions which are intended to determine if we actually agree or not. Are IVF clinics murdering thousands of lives everyday, or not? Yes or no...

Youre being facetious so Im responding in kind, don't play games and insult my intelligence if youd like to have an adult conversation

Are those potential human lives or not?

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Read the link I just posted. 

This is directly from an official Catholic resource:

It is not intended to be read as history text, a science book, or a political manifesto. In the Bible, God teaches us the truths that we need for the sake of our salvation

Who made that call? Surely it doesn't say that in the Bible. So just some random dude?

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Youre being facetious so Im responding in kind, don't play games and insult my intelligence if youd like to have an adult conversation

Are those potential human lives or not?

I'm not being facetious at all, I actually want you to answer the question in earnest. But you can't bring yourself to answer the question, can you? 

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

Who made that call? Surely it doesn't say that in the Bible. So just some random dude?

See you thought you had all the answers, didnt you? 

Now you know things arent as simple as you wanted them to be. 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm not being facetious at all, I actually want you to answer the question in earnest. But you can't bring yourself to answer the question, can you? 

I have literally answered it like 5 times.  Whats your point?

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Know what the Bible is – and what it isn't. The Bible is the story of God's relationship with the people he has called to himself. It is not intended to be read as history text, a science book, or a political manifesto. In the Bible, God teaches us the truths that we need for the sake of our salvation

How do you know which text to interpret literally and which to interpret in other ways?  What do you do when scholars disagree on the meaning of various texts?

Just now, Mike31mt said:

See you thought you had all the answers, didnt you? 

Now you know things arent as simple as you wanted them to be. 

Unless the question is "Are the gays sinners?" because suddenly you have all the answers you need in those Bible passages which are to be taken very literally.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

See you thought you had all the answers, didnt you? 

Now you know things arent as simple as you wanted them to be. 

 

 You think you just made a point because of some random opinion about how the Bible should be interpreted?

Just now, DrPhilly said:

How do you know which text to interpret literally and which to interpret in other ways?  What do you do when scholars disagree on the meaning of various texts?

Check the other links and information on the site

It addresses the question about translations with background

You guys have all made false assumptions about what religion is and what it is based on, I've challenged you on it, and now youve got all sorts of follow up questions searching for a "gotcha" moment that will never come

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

See you thought you had all the answers, didnt you? 

Now you know things arent as simple as you wanted them to be. 

I have literally answered it like 5 times.  Whats your point?

No you didn't, you keep tapdancing around it for some reason. You can't even properly express your own beliefs on these types of things without tying yourself into knots, yet you wanna talk about trying to have an adult conversation?  

I know exactly what this discussion needs right now. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

 You think you just made a point because of some random opinion about how the Bible should be interpreted?

Its not a random opinion, I literally got that from an official Catholic website because Im trying to illustrate to you that your assumptions are erroneous

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Its not a random opinion, I literally got that from an official Catholic website because Im trying to illustrate to you that your assumptions are erroneous

Do you know how many of those exist?

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

No you didn't, you keep tapdancing around it for some reason. You can't even properly express your own beliefs on these types of things without tying yourself into knots, yet you wanna talk about trying to have an adult conversation?  

I think its a debatable topic but have little idea what relevance that has to the current discussion, other than of course to gratify you with the attention you crave

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Check the other links and information on the site

It addresses the question about translations with background

You guys have all made false assumptions about what religion is and what it is based on, I've challenged you on it, and now youve got all sorts of follow up questions searching for a "gotcha" moment that will never come

I'm asking you for YOUR opinion.  I've spent a lifetime listening to my relatives on my father's side debate this topic.  They are all fervent Christians.

So, do you dare try to offer an opinion OR are you going to stick with the lazy and dishonest (usually leftist) answer of "educate yourself"? i.e. you don't have anything to offer yourself

Just now, Paul852 said:

Do you know how many of those exist?

No you tell me, youre non religious so I defer to your educated opinion on all things religion

Just now, Mike31mt said:

No you tell me, youre non religious so I defer to your educated opinion on all things religion

I wish you would have done that many years ago. I may have been able to save you 

Just now, DrPhilly said:

I'm asking you for YOUR opinion.  I've spent a lifetime listening to my relatives on my father's side debate this topic.  They are all fervent Christians.

So, do you dare try to offer an opinion OR are you going to stick with the lazy and dishonest (usually leftist) answer of "educate yourself"?

Ok youre asking how do I know which should be taken literally?  I would answer that its fairly obvious

Theres a pretty stark difference between the language in Revelation and the Gospels.

Like, dont murder someone is pretty clear compared to "a lion with 7 heads" or whatever 

You guys are being obtuse to try and make a point.  Smart people can be religious.  Dont be naive and arrogant enough to think otherwise

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I wish you would have done that many years ago. I may have been able to save you 

Its not too late, Im looking for guidance

Youre just falling woefully short so Im wondering if it was a good idea to trust your expansive knowledge base on this topic

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think its a debatable topic but have little idea what relevance that has to the current discussion, other than of course to gratify you with the attention you crave

It's relevant because I think it dismantles the idea that you and I agree on abortion as you claimed. I can't confirm it though because you're unable to answer the question. Not sure if it's due to a lack of conviction, or concern that you might have exposed a logical flaw in your thought process, or due to some sort of guilt from seeking said services or what. 

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

 

Its not too late, Im looking for guidance

Youre just falling woefully short so Im wondering if it was a good idea to trust your expansive knowledge base on this topic

You're in a cult. Very little I can do. I'm sorry.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ok youre asking how do I know which should be taken literally?  I would answer that its fairly obvious

Theres a pretty stark difference between the language in Revelation and the Gospels.

Like, dont murder someone is pretty clear compared to "a lion with 7 heads" or whatever 

You guys are being obtuse to try and make a point.  Smart people can be religious.  Dont be naive and arrogant enough to think otherwise

Its not too late, Im looking for guidance

Youre just falling woefully short so Im wondering if it was a good idea to trust your expansive knowledge base on this topic

Do you take the story where God commanded women and children to be murdered as "not literal"?

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ok youre asking how do I know which should be taken literally?  I would answer that its fairly obvious

Theres a pretty stark difference between the language in Revelation and the Gospels.

Like, dont murder someone is pretty clear compared to "a lion with 7 heads" or whatever 

You guys are being obtuse to try and make a point.  Smart people can be religious.  Dont be naive and arrogant enough to think otherwise

Absolutely, there are plenty of intelligent people that are religious.  I'm not debating that at all.

So, your answer is that "you just know".  That's a problem.  Same sort of answer we get from the left these days for questions they can't answer.  Like, what is the definition of "woman"?

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Absolutely, there are plenty of intelligent people that are religious.  I'm not debating that at all.

So, your answer is that "you just know".  That's a problem.  Same sort of answer we get from the left these days for questions they can't answer.  Like, what is the definition of "woman"?

Again, I dont understand your point

I literally posted the following excerpt:

Know what the Bible is – and what it isn't. The Bible is the story of God's relationship with the people he has called to himself. It is not intended to be read as history text, a science book, or a political manifesto. In the Bible, God teaches us the truths that we need for the sake of our salvation

 

The bible is a collection of various books intended for various purposes.  Your question is based on a lack of understanding of the bible.  You dont go from one book to the next trying to figure out which passages are literal instructions and which arent, thats not the point at all.

you guys care way more about west virgina mike's religion than i do. 

i grew up catholic & my kid attends a catholic school...and i feel that people can believe & follow whatever religion they want. but they shouldn't force those beliefs on others and sure as sheet shouldn't base laws on their particular religion.  the bible isn't a law book for the united states of america. 

 

 

Mike doesn't understand anyone's point, nor can he answer anyone's questions, but don't ridicule him for his lack of comprehension, he's just trying to have an adult conversation here folks.