July 8, 20224 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Youre being facetious so Im responding in kind, don't play games and insult my intelligence if youd like to have an adult conversation Are those potential human lives or not? I'm not being facetious at all, I actually want you to answer the question in earnest. But you can't bring yourself to answer the question, can you?
July 8, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, Paul852 said: Who made that call? Surely it doesn't say that in the Bible. So just some random dude? See you thought you had all the answers, didnt you? Now you know things arent as simple as you wanted them to be. Just now, we_gotta_believe said: I'm not being facetious at all, I actually want you to answer the question in earnest. But you can't bring yourself to answer the question, can you? I have literally answered it like 5 times. Whats your point?
July 8, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Know what the Bible is – and what it isn't. The Bible is the story of God's relationship with the people he has called to himself. It is not intended to be read as history text, a science book, or a political manifesto. In the Bible, God teaches us the truths that we need for the sake of our salvation How do you know which text to interpret literally and which to interpret in other ways? What do you do when scholars disagree on the meaning of various texts?
July 8, 20224 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: See you thought you had all the answers, didnt you? Now you know things arent as simple as you wanted them to be. Unless the question is "Are the gays sinners?" because suddenly you have all the answers you need in those Bible passages which are to be taken very literally.
July 8, 20224 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: See you thought you had all the answers, didnt you? Now you know things arent as simple as you wanted them to be. You think you just made a point because of some random opinion about how the Bible should be interpreted?
July 8, 20224 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: How do you know which text to interpret literally and which to interpret in other ways? What do you do when scholars disagree on the meaning of various texts? Check the other links and information on the site It addresses the question about translations with background You guys have all made false assumptions about what religion is and what it is based on, I've challenged you on it, and now youve got all sorts of follow up questions searching for a "gotcha" moment that will never come
July 8, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: See you thought you had all the answers, didnt you? Now you know things arent as simple as you wanted them to be. I have literally answered it like 5 times. Whats your point? No you didn't, you keep tapdancing around it for some reason. You can't even properly express your own beliefs on these types of things without tying yourself into knots, yet you wanna talk about trying to have an adult conversation?
July 8, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Paul852 said: You think you just made a point because of some random opinion about how the Bible should be interpreted? Its not a random opinion, I literally got that from an official Catholic website because Im trying to illustrate to you that your assumptions are erroneous
July 8, 20224 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Its not a random opinion, I literally got that from an official Catholic website because Im trying to illustrate to you that your assumptions are erroneous Do you know how many of those exist?
July 8, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: No you didn't, you keep tapdancing around it for some reason. You can't even properly express your own beliefs on these types of things without tying yourself into knots, yet you wanna talk about trying to have an adult conversation? I think its a debatable topic but have little idea what relevance that has to the current discussion, other than of course to gratify you with the attention you crave
July 8, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Check the other links and information on the site It addresses the question about translations with background You guys have all made false assumptions about what religion is and what it is based on, I've challenged you on it, and now youve got all sorts of follow up questions searching for a "gotcha" moment that will never come I'm asking you for YOUR opinion. I've spent a lifetime listening to my relatives on my father's side debate this topic. They are all fervent Christians. So, do you dare try to offer an opinion OR are you going to stick with the lazy and dishonest (usually leftist) answer of "educate yourself"? i.e. you don't have anything to offer yourself
July 8, 20224 yr Just now, Paul852 said: Do you know how many of those exist? No you tell me, youre non religious so I defer to your educated opinion on all things religion
July 8, 20224 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: No you tell me, youre non religious so I defer to your educated opinion on all things religion I wish you would have done that many years ago. I may have been able to save you
July 8, 20224 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: I'm asking you for YOUR opinion. I've spent a lifetime listening to my relatives on my father's side debate this topic. They are all fervent Christians. So, do you dare try to offer an opinion OR are you going to stick with the lazy and dishonest (usually leftist) answer of "educate yourself"? Ok youre asking how do I know which should be taken literally? I would answer that its fairly obvious Theres a pretty stark difference between the language in Revelation and the Gospels. Like, dont murder someone is pretty clear compared to "a lion with 7 heads" or whatever You guys are being obtuse to try and make a point. Smart people can be religious. Dont be naive and arrogant enough to think otherwise 2 minutes ago, Paul852 said: I wish you would have done that many years ago. I may have been able to save you Its not too late, Im looking for guidance Youre just falling woefully short so Im wondering if it was a good idea to trust your expansive knowledge base on this topic
July 8, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: I think its a debatable topic but have little idea what relevance that has to the current discussion, other than of course to gratify you with the attention you crave It's relevant because I think it dismantles the idea that you and I agree on abortion as you claimed. I can't confirm it though because you're unable to answer the question. Not sure if it's due to a lack of conviction, or concern that you might have exposed a logical flaw in your thought process, or due to some sort of guilt from seeking said services or what.
July 8, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Its not too late, Im looking for guidance Youre just falling woefully short so Im wondering if it was a good idea to trust your expansive knowledge base on this topic You're in a cult. Very little I can do. I'm sorry.
July 8, 20224 yr 4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Ok youre asking how do I know which should be taken literally? I would answer that its fairly obvious Theres a pretty stark difference between the language in Revelation and the Gospels. Like, dont murder someone is pretty clear compared to "a lion with 7 heads" or whatever You guys are being obtuse to try and make a point. Smart people can be religious. Dont be naive and arrogant enough to think otherwise Its not too late, Im looking for guidance Youre just falling woefully short so Im wondering if it was a good idea to trust your expansive knowledge base on this topic Do you take the story where God commanded women and children to be murdered as "not literal"?
July 8, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Ok youre asking how do I know which should be taken literally? I would answer that its fairly obvious Theres a pretty stark difference between the language in Revelation and the Gospels. Like, dont murder someone is pretty clear compared to "a lion with 7 heads" or whatever You guys are being obtuse to try and make a point. Smart people can be religious. Dont be naive and arrogant enough to think otherwise Absolutely, there are plenty of intelligent people that are religious. I'm not debating that at all. So, your answer is that "you just know". That's a problem. Same sort of answer we get from the left these days for questions they can't answer. Like, what is the definition of "woman"?
July 8, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Absolutely, there are plenty of intelligent people that are religious. I'm not debating that at all. So, your answer is that "you just know". That's a problem. Same sort of answer we get from the left these days for questions they can't answer. Like, what is the definition of "woman"? Again, I dont understand your point I literally posted the following excerpt: Know what the Bible is – and what it isn't. The Bible is the story of God's relationship with the people he has called to himself. It is not intended to be read as history text, a science book, or a political manifesto. In the Bible, God teaches us the truths that we need for the sake of our salvation The bible is a collection of various books intended for various purposes. Your question is based on a lack of understanding of the bible. You dont go from one book to the next trying to figure out which passages are literal instructions and which arent, thats not the point at all.
July 8, 20224 yr you guys care way more about west virgina mike's religion than i do. i grew up catholic & my kid attends a catholic school...and i feel that people can believe & follow whatever religion they want. but they shouldn't force those beliefs on others and sure as sheet shouldn't base laws on their particular religion. the bible isn't a law book for the united states of america.
July 8, 20224 yr Mike doesn't understand anyone's point, nor can he answer anyone's questions, but don't ridicule him for his lack of comprehension, he's just trying to have an adult conversation here folks.
July 8, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, mr_hunt said: you guys care way more about west virgina mike's religion than i do. i grew up catholic & my kid attends a catholic school...and i feel that people can believe & follow whatever religion they want. but they shouldn't force those beliefs on others and sure as sheet shouldn't base laws on their particular religion. the bible isn't a law book for the united states of america. That's always been my issue. Especially when their book straight up contradicts itself over and over again.
July 8, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: Again, I dont understand your point I literally posted the following excerpt: Know what the Bible is – and what it isn't. The Bible is the story of God's relationship with the people he has called to himself. It is not intended to be read as history text, a science book, or a political manifesto. In the Bible, God teaches us the truths that we need for the sake of our salvation The bible is a collection of various books intended for various purposes. Your question is based on a lack of understanding of the bible. You dont go from one book to the next trying to figure out which passages are literal instructions and which arent, thats not the point at all. You have already pointed out some text that you say should be interpreted literally and others that you say shouldn't be interpreted literally. If these are only stories then nothing in them should be taken literally. Everything must be interpreted. Can we agree with that?
July 8, 20224 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Mike doesn't understand anyone's point, nor can he answer anyone's questions, but don't ridicule him for his lack of comprehension, he's just trying to have an adult conversation here folks. Dumb post. This is how I know all your bullish is just about your ego. Youre not trying to have a discussion and yours not deserving of one because your sole purpose is to score internet points Youre a clown as usual. 1 minute ago, mr_hunt said: you guys care way more about west virgina mike's religion than i do. i grew up catholic & my kid attends a catholic school...and i feel that people can believe & follow whatever religion they want. but they shouldn't force those beliefs on others and sure as sheet shouldn't base laws on their particular religion. the bible isn't a law book for the united states of america. And I agree with that, which is why I feel the way I do about abortion and the law.
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