21 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If you believe an embyro is a life, I don't see how you can say the IVF clinic isn't destroying life when it discards unused embryos. Even if they're not entirely at fault because they're doing it at the direction of their patients, they're still at least partly at fault for the destruction of life. Would a doctor who performs an abortion considered not to be killing the baby if abortions aren't their primary function? If someone hires a hitman to kill someone, would the hitman would not also be charged with murder?

In the course of IVF many zygotes are created typically from harvested eggs, then they are selected for highest chance of viability based and development.  This is even before the decision is made on implantation numbers and what do do with the others blastocyst.  

14 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

In the course of IVF many zygotes are created typically from harvested eggs, then they are selected for highest chance of viability based and development.  This is even before the decision is made on implantation numbers and what do do with the others blastocyst.  

That's one angle I forgot.... many of the embryo's created aren't viable and disposed of.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

The median atheist knows more about the Bible than the median self-described Christian.

(That's a quote from my very religious - Catholic - friend bemoaning typical Catholics in his own church who seem more preoccupied with the trappings and social aspects of his religion than living their lives as Jesus prescribed)

The majority of atheists don't know anything about the Bible, they just regurgitate cherry-picked talking points from stand-up comedians, atheist writers and Hollywood TV shows made by liberals who hate religion.  

(I knew an atheist college professor who said that, he knew many atheists and listens to atheist podcasts so he's legit.  He said it in a crowded coffee shop and everyone stopped what they were doing to listen, even the baristas.  Then everyone clapped.)

15 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The majority of atheists don't know anything about the Bible, they just regurgitate cherry-picked talking points from stand-up comedians, atheist writers and Hollywood TV shows made by liberals who hate religion.  

(I knew an atheist college professor who said that, he knew many atheists and listens to atheist podcasts so he's legit.  He said it in a crowded coffee shop and everyone stopped what they were doing to listen, even the baristas.  Then everyone clapped.)

It's true. I was also there and I was seething.

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The majority of atheists don't know anything about the Bible, they just regurgitate cherry-picked talking points from stand-up comedians, atheist writers and Hollywood TV shows made by liberals who hate religion.  

(I knew an atheist college professor who said that, he knew many atheists and listens to atheist podcasts so he's legit.  He said it in a crowded coffee shop and everyone stopped what they were doing to listen, even the baristas.  Then everyone clapped.)

Which puts them in line with a majority of US Christians.

The ignorance of Scripture is rampant amongst both camps, sadly.

32 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

The ignorance of Scripture is rampant amongst both camps, sadly.

It is entirely understandable in atheists and agnostics.

 

Christians, not so much.

43 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

The ignorance of Scripture is rampant amongst both camps, sadly.

Yeah I also forgot how Pet Cemetery ended.

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What are all these willing adopters waiting for?

1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

It's true. I was also there and I was seething.

I'm sorry you had to hear that. 

1 hour ago, paco said:

That's one angle I forgot.... many of the embryo's created aren't viable and disposed of.

Yes I think the non viable or unfertilized ones are pretty straightforward.  Depending on the center there are some that are zygotes but don't quite make it to the blastocyst stage as quickly as the others that are discarded that technically could still be viable, albeit less likely. That's where there's another bit of a gray area. 

 

 

 

Real shame. Clearly those people aren't pro-choice when it comes to eating at restaurants.

4 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

In the course of IVF many zygotes are created typically from harvested eggs, then they are selected for highest chance of viability based and development.  This is even before the decision is made on implantation numbers and what do do with the others blastocyst.  

I'm more so talking about the ones in storage that have been abandoned and have to be disposed of. But either way if you are one to believe that every fertilized egg is a life, then an IVF clinic is an active participant in the destruction of thousands of lives. A lot of these clinics in states with these awful trigger laws are already having to move eggs from storage.  It's insane that people in these states already struggling to conceive now may have to deal with even more obstacles.

2 hours ago, Toastrel said:

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What are all these willing adopters waiting for?

Not all children in foster care are waiting to be adopted.  Some kids will go back to their parents.   There’s quite a process for parents to be approved to adopt a child as well, so even if someone decided to adopt, it’s not like they sign up and get a child quickly.

32 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm more so talking about the ones in storage that have been abandoned and have to be disposed of. But either way if you are one to believe that every fertilized egg is a life, then an IVF clinic is an active participant in the destruction of thousands of lives. A lot of these clinics in states with these awful trigger laws are already having to move eggs from storage.  It's insane that people in these states already struggling to conceive now may have to deal with even more obstacles.

Mostly just pointing out there's another stage of the process where zygotes are created but tossed.  Granted it's the ones less likely to lead to a healthy pregnancy but it's impossible to say they're all "non-viable" either.  Bit of a gray area and dependent on the clinics selection criteria.

2 hours ago, The_Omega said:

 

 

 

Public restaurants are not private. I mean, duh.

Not a fan of heckling the guy when he's trying to enjoy a meal, it's this type of stuff that drives the rational people away from public service. That being said, I still thought this tweet was pretty funny.

 

 

13 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Public restaurants are not private. I mean, duh.

There's nothing explicitly in the constitution preventing me from telling a supreme court justice to eat a family sized bag of prolapsed a-holes while he's trying to enjoy a mediocre $80 steak drowned in butter sauce.  This is what the founders would want.

22 hours ago, Toastrel said:

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What are all these willing adopters waiting for?

This is literally one of the dumbest takes in the history of this forum and I post here.   Do you understand how foster care works?  

 

The number #1 goal of the foster care system is to try to reunite families.   When that can’t happen then the child is eligible for adoption.  So of course you are going to have a bunch of kids in the system.  

25 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Deal. Pregnant women can drive in the HOA lane if they'll stop murdering babies, great tradeoff.  

15 hours ago, paco said:

This is literally one of the dumbest takes in the history of this forum and I post here.   Do you understand how foster care works?  

 

The number #1 goal of the foster care system is to try to reunite families.   When that can’t happen then the child is eligible for adoption.  So of course you are going to have a bunch of kids in the system.  

I had a relative who fostered kids for a couple years.  After hearing their horror stories, it surprises me that anyone fosters.  They’ve since stopped fostering, but are helping those who decide to foster. Lots of crazy rules and just a ridiculous amount of time/effort to be approved.  I can only imagine that adopting takes much more time/effort to be approved to adopt.