December 18, 20232 yr Women arrested after having a miscarriage. https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-woman-criminally-charged-miscarriage-194729759.html COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Ohio was in the throes of a bitter debate over abortion rights this fall when Brittany Watts, 21 weeks and 5 days pregnant, began passing thick blood clots. The 33-year-old Watts, who had not shared the news of her pregnancy even with her family, made her first prenatal visit to a doctor’s office behind Mercy Health-St. Joseph’s Hospital in Warren, a working-class city about 60 miles southeast of Cleveland. The doctor said that, while a fetal heartbeat was still present, Watts’ water had broken prematurely and the fetus she was carrying would not survive. He advised heading to the hospital to have her labor induced, so she could have what amounted to an abortion to deliver the nonviable fetus. Otherwise, she would face "significant risk” of death, according to records of her case. That was a Tuesday in September. What followed was a harrowing three days entailing: multiple trips to the hospital; Watts miscarrying into, and then flushing and plunging, a toilet at her home; a police investigation of those actions; and Watts, who is Black, being charged with abuse of a corpse. That’s a fifth-degree felony punishable by up to a year in prison and a $2,500 fine.
December 18, 20232 yr 48 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: and Watts, who is Black How is that relevant to the overall story?
December 18, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, paco said: How is that relevant to the overall story? https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-woman-criminally-charged-miscarriage-194729759.html Even before Roe was overturned, studies show that Black women who visited hospitals for prenatal care were 10 times more likely than white women to have child protective services and law enforcement called on them, even when their cases were similar, she said.
December 19, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: Women arrested after having a miscarriage. https://www.yahoo.com/news/black-woman-criminally-charged-miscarriage-194729759.html COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Ohio was in the throes of a bitter debate over abortion rights this fall when Brittany Watts, 21 weeks and 5 days pregnant, began passing thick blood clots. The 33-year-old Watts, who had not shared the news of her pregnancy even with her family, made her first prenatal visit to a doctor’s office behind Mercy Health-St. Joseph’s Hospital in Warren, a working-class city about 60 miles southeast of Cleveland. The doctor said that, while a fetal heartbeat was still present, Watts’ water had broken prematurely and the fetus she was carrying would not survive. He advised heading to the hospital to have her labor induced, so she could have what amounted to an abortion to deliver the nonviable fetus. Otherwise, she would face "significant risk” of death, according to records of her case. That was a Tuesday in September. What followed was a harrowing three days entailing: multiple trips to the hospital; Watts miscarrying into, and then flushing and plunging, a toilet at her home; a police investigation of those actions; and Watts, who is Black, being charged with abuse of a corpse. That’s a fifth-degree felony punishable by up to a year in prison and a $2,500 fine. She wasn’t arrested for having a miscarriage. She was arrested for what she did to the fetus after the miscarriage. She allegedly tried to flush it down a toilet.
December 19, 20232 yr I Had A Miscarriage & Yes, I Flushed https://cafemom.com/parenting/217370-flushing-toilet-after-miscarriage
December 19, 20232 yr On 12/13/2023 at 8:16 PM, M.C. said: Can we flood the Bible Belt with seawater? Yes, I said that.
December 19, 20232 yr 21 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: She wasn’t arrested for having a miscarriage. She was arrested for what she did to the fetus after the miscarriage. She allegedly tried to flush it down a toilet. Which is what happens to most miscarriages. It’s traumatizing enough without this kind of intrusive BS.
December 20, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, Tnt4philly said: Which is what happens to most miscarriages. It’s traumatizing enough without this kind of intrusive BS. I don’t think that most women try to flush a 22 week old fetus down a toilet. I agree it’s traumatizing enough, and I’m not sure what benefit comes from pressing charges here.
December 20, 20232 yr I don't know how that sort of thing works, or how often it happens, but is it really common for women who miscarry at home to dig the remains of out of a toilet with their hands? To do what with it? If the doctor said the fetus was nonviable, I don't understand what she was reasonably expected to do here.
December 20, 20232 yr On 12/18/2023 at 10:12 AM, jsdarkstar said: That’s a fifth-degree felony punishable by up to a year in prison and a $2,500 fine. She was charged with a felony for having a harrowing medical episode at home? I have so many questions.
December 20, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: I don't know how that sort of thing works, or how often it happens, but is it really common for women who miscarry at home to dig the remains of out of a toilet with their hands? To do what with it? If the doctor said the fetus was nonviable, I don't understand what she was reasonably expected to do here. I think there was some suspicion of what happened due to: 1) she was in the hospital twice that week due to bleeding and both times left on her own against the physicians wishes. 2) after she had the miscarriage and tried to flush the fetus down the toilet she went on about her day as usual as if nothing had happened. I’d be curious to hear the state’s argument for charging her though. Sounds like the law may not really apply to a miscarried fetus. And while the proper thing to do was probably to call 911 and have paramedics come help deal with the situation, I don’t think the lack of doing that warrants this charge. It’s not like she stumbled upon a dead body and then decided to take action to desecrate it.
December 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: I think there was some suspicion of what happened due to: 1) she was in the hospital twice that week due to bleeding and both times left on her own against the physicians wishes. 2) after she had the miscarriage and tried to flush the fetus down the toilet she went on about her day as usual as if nothing had happened. I’d be curious to hear the state’s argument for charging her though. Sounds like the law may not really apply to a miscarried fetus. And while the proper thing to do was probably to call 911 and have paramedics come help deal with the situation, I don’t think the lack of doing that warrants this charge. It’s not like she stumbled upon a dead body and then decided to take action to desecrate it. I don't know the circumstances of what transpired from when her doctor told her the fetus was nonviable to when she eventually passed it, but it sounds like it was over quite a few days. Did they try to induce her? Were they apprehensive to go in and remove it because that would put them in legal jeopardy? Either way, I'm not sure if it's reasonable to expect someone to remain in the hospital for an entire week, but it definitely shouldn't be illegal if the patient wants to leave after a day or two of no progress. As for the "well she went on about her day as usual" line of reasoning. Come on now, what was she supposed to do? Lock herself in the bathroom and refuse to eat or drink? Everyone deals with traumatic events in their own way. One of my best friends lost his dad on a Sunday but he got up and went to work the very next morning. I know for a fact he was crushed about what happened, and that it was eating him up inside, but his nature wasn't to express any of that outwardly because he internalizes stuff like that. I'm not one to tell him what is or isn't the right way to grieve, and it defintely isn't the role of the government to do so either. Unless she was exlpicitly told not to flush the fetus because it would be against state law, then I don't understand what the issue is here. i also don't understand why 911 would need to be called to have paramedic rush out to the scene. What would they have done in this situation?
December 20, 20232 yr 31 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I don't know the circumstances of what transpired from when her doctor told her the fetus was nonviable to when she eventually passed it, but it sounds like it was over quite a few days. Did they try to induce her? Were they apprehensive to go in and remove it because that would put them in legal jeopardy? Either way, I'm not sure if it's reasonable to expect someone to remain in the hospital for an entire week, but it definitely shouldn't be illegal if the patient wants to leave after a day or two of no progress. As for the "well she went on about her day as usual" line of reasoning. Come on now, what was she supposed to do? Lock herself in the bathroom and refuse to eat or drink? Everyone deals with tramatic events in their own way. One of my best friends lost his dad on a Sunday but he got up and went to work the very next morning. I know for a fact he was crushed about what happened, and that it was eating him up inside, but his nature wasn't to express any of that outwardly because he internalizes stuff like that. I'm not one to tell him what is or isn't the right way to grieve, and it defintely isn't the role of the government to do so either. Unless she was exlpicitly told not to flush the fetus because it would be against state law, then I don't understand what the issue is here. i also don't understand why 911 would need to be called to have paramedic rush out to the scene. What would they have done in this situation? Let me preface this by saying I don’t think charges should be filed. I don’t think dealing with a miscarriage is the same as dealing with a corpse. As I said it’s not like she discovered a dead body in her home and then decided to dismember it or something like that. And it’s a vague law to begin with. It sounds like she went in with her day as usual because she was keeping the pregnancy from her family, hence why she wouldn’t want to call someone to the house and bring attention. She apparently was told by the hospital that the pregnancy wasn’t viable and she would have to be induced. She left on her own the first time after a few hours, signing herself out. The second time she left it sounds like she just ghosted them.
December 20, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, toolg said: She was charged with a felony for having a harrowing medical episode at home? I have so many questions. Yep. Disturbing. In the movie, Howard Stern's wife Allison has a miscarriage while on the toilet. I don't know, but this seems to be a common way for a women's body to rid itself of the dead material.
December 20, 20232 yr 25 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Let me preface this by saying I don’t think charges should be filed. I don’t think dealing with a miscarriage is the same as dealing with a corpse. As I said it’s not like she discovered a dead body in her home and then decided to dismember it or something like that. And it’s a vague law to begin with. It sounds like she went in with her day as usual because she was keeping the pregnancy from her family, hence why she wouldn’t want to call someone to the house and bring attention. She apparently was told by the hospital that the pregnancy wasn’t viable and she would have to be induced. She left on her own the first time after a few hours, signing herself out. The second time she left it sounds like she just ghosted them. Strange. Not sure why she didn't go through with being induced, maybe because she was trying to hide it like you said. Either way though, it's ridiculous that it's gotten to this point. It shouldn't be illegal to have a miscarriage at home. When the Dobbs ruling happened and trigger laws took effect, it was these sorts of scenarios that were feared and have been playing out across the country. Women who were raped having the burden of proof fall back on them to get an abortion. Women who have miscarried needing to have the doctor prove it was a miscarriage. Victims of incest needing to leave their state to terminate their pregnancy. The government shouldn't be turning these victims into suspects, it's dystopian.
December 20, 20232 yr And with Thomas and Alito both in their 70's, it's stories like this that will drive turnout next year just as much as anything else. For all the leftist idiots running around with their hair on fire over Palestine, they need decide which issue is more important to them when deciding if voting for Biden is worth their while.
December 20, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, Tnt4philly said: Which is what happens to most miscarriages. It’s traumatizing enough without this kind of intrusive BS. We're not calling them Love Flushies anymore? People are so sensitive these days, pansy arse generation.
January 3, 20242 yr 5th Circuit agrees with Texas Republicans, doctors do not have to perform abortions to save a woman's life.
January 3, 20242 yr On 12/20/2023 at 2:04 PM, dawkins4prez said: We're not calling them Love Flushies anymore? People are so sensitive these days, pansy arse generation. My sister in law had a miscarriage, it was pretty tough on her and her husband.
January 24, 20241 yr Texas birth rate among teens in 2022 hit 15-year high https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4425413-texas-birth-rate-teens-2022/
January 24, 20241 yr On 1/3/2024 at 12:00 PM, Boogyman said: My sister in law had a miscarriage, it was pretty tough on her and her husband. Everyone deals with miscarriages differently. My ex-wife had two 2 with me, before we had our first kid and she was pretty upset about it. She had a history of problem pregnancies. They were both early on, before I really had an attachment to the fetus. I may have felt differently had we already seen an ultra sound and heard a heart beat.
January 24, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Everyone deals with miscarriages differently. My ex-wife had two 2 with me, before we had our first kid and she was pretty upset about it. She had a history of problem pregnancies. They were both early on, before I really had an attachment to the fetus. I may have felt differently had we already seen an ultra sound and heard a heart beat. Every circumstance is different. Everyone processes grief differently. It makes you think about how precious and special each life is. No fate is certain.
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