March 6, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Then we should have a 50% say in whether or not to end it, correct? Based on what I see your beliefs are, only if the child was conceived in a legit marriage. What I need to be clear about is that I do absolutely respect your belief that life begins at conception. I carried 2 children and yes, they were alive inside my body. They wouldn't be able to be alive without me, so this is where the huge gray area appears. IMO, this is one of the reasons that our forefathers wrote and signed for a separation of Church and State. The State is crossing the line, and the religious zealots are as well. Now we are talking about embryo's being "alive" It's so far out of the realm of making any sense to base law onto something like an embryo. There are no great minds anymore, just a bunch of people screaming and yelling without really thinking about it. That is the mess we're in with this.
March 6, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: I am against slaughtering millions of babies. You are in favor of slaughtering millions of babies. Thats just a fact you can’t get around. I know you are a giant dewsh. Everyone knows. No need to keep proving it over and over again. I am in favor OF YOU FOLDING, THEN STUFFING YOUR DOPEY RELIGIOUS OPINIONS UP YOUR FLABBY, DISEASED ANUS. That's a fact. I am in favor of the person with the womb, making the decision. As it should be, as it has always been. Wrap your head around those facts, if you are able.
March 6, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Then we should have a 50% say in whether or not to end it, correct? Liberal white woman thinks she's "treated like ish" in the US. This is why we have a dementia patient's handlers running our country It sucks that women don't want the government telling them what to do with their bodies. It's not fair, really.
March 6, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, DiPros said: Based on what I see your beliefs are, only if the child was conceived in a legit marriage. What I need to be clear about is that I do absolutely respect your belief that life begins at conception. I carried 2 children and yes, they were alive inside my body. They wouldn't be able to be alive without me, so this is where the huge gray area appears. IMO, this is one of the reasons that our forefathers wrote and signed for a separation of Church and State. The State is crossing the line, and the religious zealots are as well. Now we are talking about embryo's being "alive" It's so far out of the realm of making any sense to base law onto something like an embryo. There are no great minds anymore, just a bunch of people screaming and yelling without really thinking about it. That is the mess we're in with this. 👏
March 6, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, DiPros said: Based on what I see your beliefs are, only if the child was conceived in a legit marriage. What I need to be clear about is that I do absolutely respect your belief that life begins at conception. I carried 2 children and yes, they were alive inside my body. They wouldn't be able to be alive without me, so this is where the huge gray area appears. IMO, this is one of the reasons that our forefathers wrote and signed for a separation of Church and State. The State is crossing the line, and the religious zealots are as well. Now we are talking about embryo's being "alive" It's so far out of the realm of making any sense to base law onto something like an embryo. There are no great minds anymore, just a bunch of people screaming and yelling without really thinking about it. That is the mess we're in with this. I don't know what you mean by "legit marriage," but isn't it a little strange if you're stressing separation of church and state to then turn around and only give that right to men who are in a marriage? Whether or not the couple is married doesn't change the fact that the man and woman both willingly created a life, 50/50. And to clarify my stance: the woman bears the responsibility of carrying the child, but IMO the man should rightfully be held responsible as well, legally and financially.
March 6, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It sucks that women don't want the government telling them what to do with their bodies. It's not fair, really. It's not just their bodies, there's another human body in there too. What about that body?
March 6, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: It's not just their bodies, there's another human body in there too. What about that body? Look, I'm with you. I wish women would just get on board with the government making their life decisions for them. I mean, what's so hard about running healthcare decisions by the government? Think about it. These are duly elected professionals. They're far more qualified than women to make decisions about pregnancy, IVF, contraception, etc. You know what I think it is, it's these liberal white women, F'ing it up for the rest of us who just want to force 12 year old rape victims to care for their rapist's baby.
March 6, 20241 yr 23 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: I don't know what you mean by "legit marriage," but isn't it a little strange if you're stressing separation of church and state to then turn around and only give that right to men who are in a marriage? Whether or not the couple is married doesn't change the fact that the man and woman both willingly created a life, 50/50. And to clarify my stance: the woman bears the responsibility of carrying the child, but IMO the man should rightfully be held responsible as well, legally and financially. When the State makes it legal and/or illegal in it's laws that SHOULD be based on human rights, it's crossing the line with what's currently on the books as it does not protect my human right. If you truly follow your faith, then having sex and making a baby out of wedlock is a sin, so then why would the male have any human right to that baby while mine is already illegal? It's a huge grey area and State and Church have collied. That's what I mean. Even though I personally believe that abortion is murder, if I take the "religion" out of it, I feel the government has no place in making abortion illegal.
March 6, 20241 yr 39 minutes ago, DiPros said: When the State makes it legal and/or illegal in it's laws that SHOULD be based on human rights, it's crossing the line with what's currently on the books as it does not protect my human right. If you truly follow your faith, then having sex and making a baby out of wedlock is a sin, so then why would the male have any human right to that baby while mine is already illegal? It's a huge grey area and State and Church have collied. That's what I mean. Even though I personally believe that abortion is murder, if I take the "religion" out of it, I feel the government has no place in making abortion illegal. Because what my Catholic faith dictates doesn't necessarily directly correspond with what I feel should be legal or illegal. I don't believe having a baby outside of marriage should be illegal. There are a lot of 'sinful' behaviors that shouldnt be illegal. I just want people held responsible for their own personal actions.
March 6, 20241 yr 48 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Look, I'm with you. I wish women would just get on board with the government making their life decisions for them. I mean, what's so hard about running healthcare decisions by the government? Think about it. These are duly elected professionals. They're far more qualified than women to make decisions about pregnancy, IVF, contraception, etc. You know what I think it is, it's these liberal white women, F'ing it up for the rest of us who just want to force 12 year old rape victims to care for their rapist's baby. You say this as if you don't wholly support the government dictating COVID vaccinations, whether businesses could operate during COVID, whether people could go outside or in public during COVID, and mandate that we all have health insurance and cover costs for people who can't afford it. It's weird how you're fine with the govt mandating all those decisions related to our health, but when it comes to people aborting unborn babies because of sheer convenience youre drawing a line in the sand. The reality is that virtually all abortions are the result of people making their own life decisions but refusing to be responsible for them.
March 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: You say this as if you don't wholly support the government dictating COVID vaccinations, whether businesses could operate during COVID, whether people could go outside or in public during COVID, and mandate that we all have health insurance and cover costs for people who can't afford it. It's weird how you're fine with the govt mandating all those decisions related to our health, but when it comes to people aborting unborn babies because of sheer convenience youre drawing a line in the sand. The reality is that virtually all abortions are the result of people making their own life decisions but refusing to be responsible for them. I love it how pissed you guys still are about that 4 or 5 weeks from 4 years ago. So much so that you apply it to everything going forward. "Oh, you have a problem with the government rounding people up and executing them? You think it's government overreach? Well you were singing a very different tune from mid-March to early-to-mid-April 4 years ago."
March 6, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I love it how pissed you guys still are about that 4 or 5 weeks from 4 years ago. So much so that you apply it to everything going forward. "Oh, you have a problem with the government rounding people up and executing them? You think it's government overreach? Well you were singing a very different tune from mid-March to early-to-mid-April 4 years ago." It destroyed our economy and shuttered thousands of businesses for literally nothing. But yeah lol, protecting unborn babies shouldn't be as important as mandating unscientific measures that destroy the country.
March 6, 20241 yr It's a bad and totally unrelated comparison. Oh well, he's back on the soapbox, I tried. Women are just killing babies out of sheer convenience and are not being responsible.
March 6, 20241 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: It destroyed our economy and shuttered thousands of businesses for literally nothing. But yeah lol, protecting unborn babies shouldn't be as important as mandating unscientific measures that destroy the country. What did ya'll have in WV? A two week lockdown? Three tops? GA was completely back open something like 5 weeks after it started. "Never forget....that time I sat around in my pajamas for a month." That totally justifies enshrining into law that the government can tell women what they can and can't do with their own bodies.
March 6, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, TEW said: You support killing babies. I have never advocated shooting women and children. Calling me a liar is pure projection and the reason you are so triggered is because you KNOW I’m right and you just can’t be honest enough to admit you support killing babies. BS. You advocated setting up killing zones at the border to prevent migrants. You only care about life when it's politically convenient. You have a sick view of the world and the value of the human life in it. You cannot now suddenty claim life means something.
March 6, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: What did ya'll have in WV? A two week lockdown? Three tops? GA was completely back open something like 5 weeks after it started. "Never forget....that time I sat around in my pajamas for a month." That totally justifies enshrining into law that the government can tell women what they can and can't do with their own bodies. Do you need me to show you statistics of what the asinine quarantines did to our economy? And again, what about the body of the baby that the woman conceived? About 50% of them are female, so should the govt allow them to be aborted for convenience?
March 6, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, DiPros said: It's a bad and totally unrelated comparison. Oh well, he's back on the soapbox, I tried. Women are just killing babies out of sheer convenience and are not being responsible. Go look up statistics. The vast, vast majority of abortions are not related to healthcare or rape.
March 6, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Do you need me to show you statistics of what the asinine quarantines did to our economy? And again, what about the body of the baby that the woman conceived? About 50% of them are female, so should the govt allow them to be aborted for convenience? Women don't want bureaucrats and right wing zealots telling them whether they can have a baby or telling them that they can't conceive using IVF or telling them whether they can use the pill to protect from pregnancy, etc. I'm sorry that the vast majority of the country is against ya'lls religious crusade. When you really think about it, it's not fair.
March 6, 20241 yr 39 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: It destroyed our economy and shuttered thousands of businesses for literally nothing. But yeah lol, protecting unborn babies shouldn't be as important as mandating unscientific measures that destroy the country. I can't believe the government actually did that. Whoever was the President back then should be ashamed of themselves.
March 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: I can't believe the government actually did that. Whoever was the President back then should be ashamed of themselves. I'm just here to see how Mike threads the needle on this one. Could be liberal governors (but that sort of kills his argument with me since he and I are both in states with Republican governors) Could be Trump was tricked into it (but this admits that Trump's a F'ing idiot who didn't know what he was doing) Could be a broad DEEP STATE! argument (I'll go with this one since the Deep State is both everything and nothing at the same time, which is why it's really the greatest foil)
March 6, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Go look up statistics. The vast, vast majority of abortions are not related to healthcare or rape. Yes, I know. Irresponsible behavior. That's what you're saying in the same breath as saying there are many irresponsible behaviors that shouldn't be illegal. That is your definition, which is discriminatory, and which is now law. Now, they want to apply this to embryos. It's draconian.
March 6, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, DiPros said: Yes, I know. Irresponsible behavior. That's what you're saying in the same breath as saying there are many irresponsible behaviors that shouldn't be illegal. That is your definition, which is discriminatory, and which is now law. Now, they want to apply this to embryos. It's draconian. I said sinful behaviors, not irresponsible. But all irresponsible behavior shouldn't be illegal either. Don't put words in my mouth and say I'm being discriminatory. Abortion IMO should be illegal except for exceptional cases.
March 6, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I can't believe the government actually did that. Whoever was the President back then should be ashamed of themselves. So since you were pro-quarantine, you think Trump did a good job with COVID? Is that what you're saying? It seems you think he's responsible for all of the quarantines, so it stands to reason.
March 6, 20241 yr 15 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I'm just here to see how Mike threads the needle on this one. Could be liberal governors (but that sort of kills his argument with me since he and I are both in states with Republican governors) Could be Trump was tricked into it (but this admits that Trump's a F'ing idiot who didn't know what he was doing) Could be a broad DEEP STATE! argument (I'll go with this one since the Deep State is both everything and nothing at the same time, which is why it's really the greatest foil) You guys want to have it both ways because MSNBC convinced you Trump was murdering scores of Americans with COVID. A telltale symptom of TDS
March 6, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, DiPros said: Guess TEW would be OK with the government telling him what he can do with his pecker too. Stupid people tend to forget a male has 50% part of creating a life, yet they are allowed to treat us like ish!!! The government has absolutely no purpose if it does not serve to protect the lives of innocent people. So, yes, we are going to prevent you from killing babies.
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