April 25, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I dunno man, that's a very tricky premise. I'll have to mull it over for a fortnight before I could even begin to pick up what you're laying down here. Let me have this one
April 26, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Mike31mt said: The beginning of human life is fertilization. Human embryos are human lives. Facts. Opinion
April 26, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Mike31mt said: Lol a parasite with human DNA that is alive. This is not pseudoscience, this is biology and embryology. Again I am citing overwhelming opinions of scientists not religion. Is it alive or dead? Alive Is it human or not? Human. It's a living human. Deal with it. Its a clump of cells. Then its a parasite completely dependent on its host. One you wouldnt be able to distinguish from many other species for months
April 26, 20241 yr 47 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: ...you wouldnt be able to distinguish from many other species for months I still remember when I kinda looked like a chicken
April 26, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said: Its a clump of cells. Then its a parasite completely dependent on its host. One you wouldnt be able to distinguish from many other species for months A clump of cells that happens to be the first stage of human life. Human DNA, living organism= human life.
April 26, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, Mike31mt said: A clump of cells that happens to be the first stage of human life. Human DNA, living organism= human life. Yes, a clump of cells that will more than often than not, be aborted by God. His will be done.
April 26, 20241 yr Determining that a fertilized egg is the first stage of human life is arbitrary. It's simply one more stage to a viable human infant that can at least live outside the womb.
April 26, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Toastrel said: Yes, a clump of cells that will more than often than not, be aborted by God. His will be done. You're a clump of cells too, moron. At what point, exactly, in your stupid brain, does the clump of cells become a human?? Right up to birth?
April 26, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Determining that a fertilized egg is the first stage of human life is arbitrary. It's simply one more stage to a viable human infant that can at least live outside the womb. No it's actually the exact opposite of arbitrary. Its quite literally the very first step in human reproduction. Not "one more stage"...it's the FIRST stage. Go ahead and write out all the steps that created you. You have to start with "conception", dont you? Anything beyond that is the definition of arbitrary.
April 26, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, Mike31mt said: You're a clump of cells too, moron. At what point, exactly, in your stupid brain, does the clump of cells become a human?? Right up to birth? When it is capable of living outside the mother. We are all clumps of cells. One of us looks up at the Universe in wonder. The other is you, a petty little boy still young and stupid enough to think he knows better for everybody else.
April 26, 20241 yr I'll let you all hash this out but I'm still not wearing a Johnny The girl can do what she wants afterward, it's really none of my affair If some little snot wants to track me down on 23 and me in fifteen years I'll just change continents again
April 26, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Toastrel said: When it is capable of living outside the mother. We are all clumps of cells. One of us looks up at the Universe in wonder. The other is you, a petty little boy still young and stupid enough to think he knows better for everybody else. So your take is that a human fetus isn't a human life? Wow you're a horrible, deranged person. You look up at a lot of things in wonder, don't you?
April 29, 20241 yr On 4/26/2024 at 7:10 PM, Mike31mt said: So your take is that a human fetus isn't a human life? Wow you're a horrible, deranged person. You look up at a lot of things in wonder, don't you? Sure, in your myopic, idiotic, pretend Christian viewpoint, I am horrible and deranged. Until idiots like you, pretending to be medical people, on top of pretending to follow Christ, began muddying up the waters, it was generally accepted that a living human becomes so when they take their first breath. Otherwise, you have to look at God as a wanton fetus slayer, who kills most babies before they are born.
April 29, 20241 yr 45 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Sure, in your myopic, idiotic, pretend Christian viewpoint, I am horrible and deranged. Until idiots like you, pretending to be medical people, on top of pretending to follow Christ, began muddying up the waters, it was generally accepted that a living human becomes so when they take their first breath. Otherwise, you have to look at God as a wanton fetus slayer, who kills most babies before they are born. This has nothing to do with religion, so put down your crack pipe. And biologically, which is the science of living organisms, we are living humans the moment we are conceived and that is an indisputable fact only an insane moron like you would contest. It was never generally accepted that we only become living humans when we take a breath. You just made that up because you're a lying ghoul.
April 29, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: This has nothing to do with religion, so put down your crack pipe. And biologically, which is the science of living organisms, we are living humans the moment we are conceived and that is an indisputable fact only an insane moron like you would contest. It was never generally accepted that we only become living humans when we take a breath. You just made that up because you're a lying ghoul. Sure it doesn't.
April 29, 20241 yr 31 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Nothing like some good ol’ single variate analysis in a vacuum. The teen pregnancy rate for the entire US in 2009 was 37.9. By 2017 it had dropped to 18.8. A 50% drop. So in other words, this program made little to no difference in the teen pregnancy rate. https://www.statista.com/statistics/259518/birth-rate-among-us-teenagers/
April 29, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Nothing like some good ol’ single variate analysis in a vacuum. The teen pregnancy rate for the entire US in 2009 was 37.9. By 2017 it had dropped to 18.8. A 50% drop. So in other words, this program made little to no difference in the teen pregnancy rate. https://www.statista.com/statistics/259518/birth-rate-among-us-teenagers/ Holy sheet. Thanks Obama.
April 29, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: this program made little to no difference in the teen pregnancy rate. Partially true, if you mean literally that specific program, but if similar programs were offered in other states then the overall point is still valid. I know that planned parenthood here in MI offered IUDs / contraceptives when I started dating my wife (gf at the time) and she was able to get a patch (technically not an IUD) with a same day appt. At the end of the day, kids are gonna have sex, so advances in contraceptive methods and improved access to them for vulnerable populations without them worrying about the risk of "getting caught" is almost certainly a huge reason why teen pregancies are a fraction of what they were 30 years ago.
April 29, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Partially true, if you mean literally that specific program, but if similar programs were offered in other states then the overall point is still valid. I know that planned parenthood here in MI offered IUDs / contraceptives when I started dating my wife (gf at the time) and she was able to get a patch (technically not an IUD) with a same day appt. At the end of the day, kids are gonna have sex, so advances in contraceptive methods and improved access to them for vulnerable populations without them worrying about the risk of "getting caught" is almost certainly a huge reason why teen pregancies are a fraction of what they were 30 years ago. Well without having to even look it up, you know there are a bunch of states that are not doing that. So it’s pretty hard to claim that this program is responsible for the drop in teen pregnancy in Colorado when other states without this program saw similar drops in teen pregnancies.
April 29, 20241 yr Colorado is below the national average. In the past, they were above. So perhaps the program helped. And how much did it help reduce the national average? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/teen-births/teenbirths.htm
April 29, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: Well without having to even look it up, you know there are a bunch of states that are not doing that. So it’s pretty hard to claim that this program is responsible for the drop in teen pregnancy in Colorado when other states without this program saw similar drops in teen pregnancies. Sure and I'd bet the states that don't offer similar programs have significantly higher teen pregnancy rates compared to the ones that do like CO.
April 29, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, toolg said: Colorado is below the national average. In the past, they were above. So perhaps the program helped. And how much did it help reduce the national average? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/teen-births/teenbirths.htm There you go. I imagine there's something in common with all the states shaded in orange. EDIT: Although looking at the definition listed, this stat is technically for teen births, not pregancies, so states where abortions are more prevelant would naturally have a lower rate of teen births. Which makes it a confounding factor when discussing prengancy rates instead of teen birth rates.
April 29, 20241 yr 17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Sure and I'd bet the states that don't offer similar programs have significantly higher teen pregnancy rates compared to the ones that do like CO. To really see how much it helped, we’d have to get data on how many were provided and then run an analysis to predict how many teen pregnancies they prevented accounting for behavior prior to getting it. Ie if provided to someone who was already on birth control annd using it properly and didn’t have unprotected sex, then what’s the likelihood they were going to get pregnant had they not received the iud? In that case the iud likely had very little impact to that person as they were already using contraceptives. Yes I agree in general increasing access to contraceptives should result in a reduction in unwanted pregnancies. I’d add that raising awareness/education/common sense is just as important. i just get annoyed when I see lazy single variate "analysis” of "x happened, and then y happened, so y must have been a direct result of x”.
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