April 29, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: To really see how much it helped, we’d have to get data on how many were provided and then run an analysis to predict how many teen pregnancies they prevented accounting for behavior prior to getting it. Ie if provided to someone who was already on birth control annd using it properly and didn’t have unprotected sex, then what’s the likelihood they were going to get pregnant had they not received the iud? In that case the iud likely had very little impact to that person as they were already using contraceptives. Yes I agree in general increasing access to contraceptives should result in a reduction in unwanted pregnancies. I’d add that raising awareness/education/common sense is just as important. i just get annoyed when I see lazy single variate "analysis” of "x happened, and then y happened, so y must have been a direct result of x”. Yeah it's definitely a combination of factors, and states that think they can get by just with "abstinence only" curriculum in public education are woefully naive. What some of these puritanical southern states refer to as common sense doesn't exactly align with reality.
April 29, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah it's definitely a combination of factors, and states that think they can get by just with "abstinence only" curriculum in public education are woefully naive. What some of these puritanical southern states refer to as common sense doesn't exactly align with reality. Agreed, abstinence only strategy doesn’t work. But I’d also add that I don’t think a teenager shouldn’t be receiving their sex guidance from school. It should come from their parents. My school taught abstinence only. My dad sat me down and said always wear a condom when having sex and I don’t care if she says she’s on the pill. You rely on yourself to be protected.
April 29, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Agreed, abstinence only strategy doesn’t work. But I’d also add that I don’t think a teenager shouldn’t be receiving their sex guidance from school. It should come from their parents. My school taught abstinence only. My dad sat me down and said always wear a condom when having sex and I don’t care if she says she’s on the pill or not. You rely on yourself to be protected. Should it? Of course. But does it in reality? lol no. At least not adequately in the states shaded in orange from the link above for obvious reasons which I already touched on. Hence why it has to come from public schools if you want to effectively address the problem. Leave it up evangelical parents in Alabama and you better believe little johhny is gonna be told abstinence is what God wants and the only way to heaven is to keep it in your pants until marriage. Which goes in one ear and right out the other when johnny becomes the high school QB and has every cheerleader in the same zip code trying to claw into his pants.
April 29, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Should it? Of course. But does it in reality? lol no. At least not adequately in the states in shaded orange from the link above for obvious reasons which I already touched on. Hence why it has to come from public schools if you want to effectively address the problem. Leave it up evangelical parents in Alabama and you better believe little johhny is gonna be told abstinence is what God wants and the only way to heaven is to keep it in your pants until marriage. Which goes in one ear and right out the other when johnny becomes the high school QB and has every cheerleader in the same zip code trying to claw into his pants. Sure, the schools can be a fallback for when parents fail to provide proper guidance. I just meant that primarily it should come from the parents. I think in general we have a problem in this country with parents either providing poor guidance or no guidance to their teenage kids and many problems come from that. But that’s also not limited to evangelicals in the south. for example, teen pregnancies in Philly are twice the state average. I don’t think it’s because parents are telling their teens that abstinence is what god wants.
April 29, 20241 yr 23 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Sure, the schools can be a fallback for when parents fail to provide proper guidance. I just meant that primarily it should come from the parents. I think in general we have a problem in this country with parents either providing poor guidance or no guidance to their teenage kids and many problems come from that. But that’s also not limited to evangelicals in the south. for example, teen pregnancies in Philly are twice the state average. I don’t think it’s because parents are telling their teens that abstinence is what god wants. Yeah I agree, parents in this country by and large suck at raising kids. And also agreed that teen pregnancy rates are highest in low income families. All the more reason why we can't rely on ishy parents to be the primary provider of proper sex education. If parents want to opt out of sex ed curriculum in public schools then that's their choice, but to pull funding for those programs altogether is counter-productive in the end.
April 30, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah I agree, parents in this country by and large suck at raising kids. And also agreed that teen pregnancy rates are highest in low income families. All the more reason why we can't rely on ishy parents to be the primary provider of proper sex education. If parents want to opt out of sex ed curriculum in public schools then that's their choice, but to pull funding for those programs altogether is counter-productive in the end. Agreed.
April 30, 20241 yr 18 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Holy sheet. Thanks Obama. He prevented a whole generation from getting laid. Actually I wonder how much smartphones had to do with it. Less socializing, easier access to pr0n. I'm not saying it's the reason, but probably a measurable impact.
April 30, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: He prevented a whole generation from getting laid. Actually I wonder how much smartphones had to do with it. Less socializing, easier access to pr0n. I'm not saying it's the reason, but probably a measurable impact. Could've been that. Or it could've been Obama's raw patriotism. We'll never know.
April 30, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: He prevented a whole generation from getting laid. Actually I wonder how much smartphones had to do with it. Less socializing, easier access to pr0n. I'm not saying it's the reason, but probably a measurable impact.
April 30, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Toastrel said: Lots of people are saying they got pregnant just from seeing this.
April 30, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: They forgot the stoning. Honestly, we all have the potential to commit crimes. We should probably all regularly check in with the state just to make sure we're on the up and up. Trump truly is the pro-freedom candidate.
May 2, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: As if the 4th Amendment wasn't already enough of a moldering corpse already...
May 2, 20241 yr https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/02/florida-abortion-access-south-00155560 Quote Florida’s six-week abortion ban went into effect Wednesday, making the procedure nearly impossible to access for many would-be patients throughout most of the southern United States. Women from Florida to Texas are cut off from obtaining abortions either entirely or beyond the very beginning stages of pregnancy — unless they have the time and means to travel across states to a place where appointments are available, an option many women will not have. Coat-hanger time has begun in the south.
May 2, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, BBE said: As if the 4th Amendment wasn't already enough of a moldering corpse already... For sure, but forcing women into regularly body cavity inspections by the government for the crime of getting pregnant is a step beyond monitoring internet activity, illegal search-and-seizure, no knock raids, etc. We're drifting into dystopian territory.
May 2, 20241 yr How do you monitor a pregnancy when abortion is not considered health care by these people? Sick f'ng world.
May 2, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, DiPros said: How do you monitor a pregnancy when abortion is not considered health care by these people? Sick f'ng world. There are sick people who think political points are more important than lives. They call themselves pro-life, but that is a lie. They care NOTHING for the mother, and NOTHING for the child. They will not lift a finger for either one. Not before birth, or after. Many of them are against contraception. It is lunacy.
May 2, 20241 yr 41 minutes ago, Toastrel said: There are sick people who think political points are more important than lives. They call themselves pro-life, but that is a lie. They care NOTHING for the mother, and NOTHING for the child. They will not lift a finger for either one. Not before birth, or after. Many of them are against contraception. It is lunacy. Our forefathers made a distinction between Church and State. That they are to be separate. The SC was wrong in overturning this case. As far as women have come since the Stone age we're still discriminating upon the poor and uneducated and they just don't care. It will cost us more in programs (ie taxes) to get these kids just their basic needs. And, if you really must know. In my soul I do believe abortion is wrong. However, if I decide to take the cake out of the oven before it's done, then that's between me and God. The government has no place in it. This topic will just never go away, so tiring.
May 2, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, DiPros said: Our forefathers made a distinction between Church and State. That they are to be separate. The SC was wrong in overturning this case. As far as women have come since the Stone age we're still discriminating upon the poor and uneducated and they just don't care. It will cost us more in programs (ie taxes) to get these kids just their basic needs. And, if you really must know. In my soul I do believe abortion is wrong. However, if I decide to take the cake out of the oven before it's done, then that's between me and God. The government has no place in it. This topic will just never go away, so tiring. My lifelong Republican MIL was an RN, and she was against abortion, but pro Roe vs Wade. "All that laws like this do, is stop POOR people from having abortions. Rich people go to the doctor, and he performs a D&C, and bye bye fetus. I have seen the results of back alley abortions, and they are worse."
May 2, 20241 yr 21 hours ago, Toastrel said: There are sick people who think political points are more important than lives. They call themselves pro-life, but that is a lie. They care NOTHING for the mother, and NOTHING for the child. They will not lift a finger for either one. Not before birth, or after. Many of them are against contraception. It is lunacy. And what do you base this on? It's a fact that conservatives give much more to charity than people like you, who are only internet slacktivists. You haven't don't jack ish for mothers or children besides ish post male feminist nonsense. You think advocating for abortion up to birth is somehow helping mothers and children?? Deranged. Conservatives believe in two parent households and a nuclear family which, again, inarguably leads to better outcomes for children. Pro life people have a higher adoption rate than pro choice as well. But hey at least you can say you're reducing the minority population via abortion, just like your hero Margaret Sanger intended. Fact the facts, pro lifers can much more about mother and children than deranged leftists like you.
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