July 29, 20241 yr saying that fertilization is "the first step" is entirely arbitrary. there are steps that have to be taken before fertilization for a human life to form. there are also plenty of steps after. a fertilized egg, implanted embryo, or early stage embryo growing within a human female are fundamentally the same as many other mammalian species. it's only when it begins to truly develop as a human that I would call it a "human life" this is all fairly subjective, but it illustrates the complications. it certainly is complicated enough that the decision should be left to the individual, not to their neighbor's interpretation.
July 30, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, Mike31mt said: Does a 1 week old baby have memories? Conscious thought? "Wakefulness"?? Stop making this up as you go. You're clueless. Yes. It Is not made up. You are the one who is clueless about the definition of life. You are the one making it up. You're a total joke.
July 30, 20241 yr 17 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: saying that fertilization is "the first step" is entirely arbitrary. there are steps that have to be taken before fertilization for a human life to form. there are also plenty of steps after. a fertilized egg, implanted embryo, or early stage embryo growing within a human female are fundamentally the same as many other mammalian species. it's only when it begins to truly develop as a human that I would call it a "human life" this is all fairly subjective, but it illustrates the complications. it certainly is complicated enough that the decision should be left to the individual, not to their neighbor's interpretation. It's biologically the first step in a human life. It is the very first instant of a having the full DNA able to develop into a human. It's not arbitrary or subjective, you just want it to be. Your phrase "truly develop as a human" is completely arbitrary and not based on science. The moment of conception is when a human "truly begins to develop". Again, was your mom's ovulation part of your life? No it wasn't. The conception of you as a human being was the first instant a unique you existed. You're denying scientific fact to suit your political opinion
July 30, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: Yes. It Is not made up. You are the one who is clueless about the definition of life. You are the one making it up. You're a total joke. Yet biology doesn't support any of your asinine opinions. Denying that an embryo or even an 8 month old fetus is alive is disgusting and ignorant
July 30, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Yet biology doesn't support any of your asinine opinions. Denying that an embryo or even an 8 month old fetus is alive is disgusting and ignorant You're the disgusting one, with your superiority complex. Get over it.
July 30, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: You're the disgusting one, with your superiority complex. Get over it. "Derp this isn't a life" "Waah you have a superiority complex, stop pointing out my trash opinions!"
July 30, 20241 yr The biological definition of life. Life is a quality that distinguishes matter that has biological processes, such as signaling and self-sustaining processes, from matter that does not. It is defined descriptively by the capacity for homeostasis, organisation, metabolism, growth, adaptation, response to stimuli, and reproduction. What are the self sustaining processes of an fetus? It's full dependent upon it's mother as Host. It grows is related to the health of the mother.
July 30, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: "Derp this isn't a life" "Waah you have a superiority complex, stop pointing out my trash opinions!" You force feed your opinions down other's throat. Look See, I am right. You need psychiatric help and medication to get over your mental illness.
July 30, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: The biological definition of life. Life is a quality that distinguishes matter that has biological processes, such as signaling and self-sustaining processes, from matter that does not. It is defined descriptively by the capacity for homeostasis, organisation, metabolism, growth, adaptation, response to stimuli, and reproduction. What are the self sustaining processes of an fetus? It's full dependent upon it's mother as Host. It grows is related to the health of the mother. So you're doubling down on this horrific take? A fetus is not alive? What are the self-sustaining processes of a newborn infant? Can it feed itself, protect itself from harm?
July 30, 20241 yr Js making it absolutely clear he's never been around any pregnant woman. Go try telling them that the fetus kicking in their womb is not alive.
July 30, 20241 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: So you're doubling down on this horrific take? A fetus is not alive? What are the self-sustaining processes of a newborn infant? Can it feed itself, protect itself from harm? Once again with the superiority complex calling other peoples take horrific. The further comparing capabilities of a fetus to a newborn as if to say see they are the same. You need help dude.
July 30, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: Js making it absolutely clear he's never been around any pregnant woman. Go try telling them that the fetus kicking in their womb is not alive. Mike gets the gold star for the biggest loser. He argues the biology then when confronted with the definition of life from biology he disagrees with it. How special is that.
July 30, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Mike gets the gold star for the biggest loser. He argues the biology then when confronted with the definition of life from biology he disagrees with it. How special is that. Ask a biologist and they'll tell you life begins at conception you dimwit. "Definition of life from biology"
July 30, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Once again with the superiority complex calling other peoples take horrific. The further comparing capabilities of a fetus to a newborn as if to say see they are the same. You need help dude. Stop posting horrific takes and Ill stop calling them horrific. You said a fetus isn't alive. You're gross.
July 30, 20241 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Ask a biologist and they'll tell you life begins at conception you dimwit. "Definition of life from biology" Yeah, thanks for posting a source that is completely biased. Typical.
July 30, 20241 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Stop posting horrific takes and Ill stop calling them horrific. You said a fetus isn't alive. You're gross. Once again demonstrating your superiority complex. It's impossible to have a discussion with you because you don't discuss the issue, instead you trash others who have different opinions in attempt to force your opinion down other's throats. It wouldn't surprise me if you went to an abortion clinic and opened fire. That sounds about right.
July 30, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Mike31mt said: "Derp this isn't a life" "Waah you have a superiority complex, stop pointing out my trash opinions!" This is life. And this is life:
July 31, 20241 yr 18 hours ago, toolg said: This is life. And this is life: Yes they're alive. They're not human life, though. Neither are the first step in a human life. The first step is when the human life is created - fertilization/conception.
July 31, 20241 yr 56 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Yes they're alive. They're not human life, though. Neither are the first step in a human life. The first step is when the human life is created - fertilization/conception. I don't see it that simple. It's not like a light switch that's on/off. To me it is all part of the process. It is life.
July 31, 20241 yr Just now, toolg said: I don't see it that simple. It's not like a light switch that's on/off. To me it is all part of the process. It is life. Neither the sperm nor the egg have full human DNA and you need both to create a human. When the egg is fertilized by sperm, a unique human being is created. Pro-choicers would love if it was more complicated than that, but it isn't.
July 31, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Mike31mt said: Neither the sperm nor the egg have full human DNA and you need both to create a human. When the egg is fertilized by sperm, a unique human being is created. Pro-choicers would love if it was more complicated than that, but it isn't. So what's your response to women who say that men shouldn't have control over a womans body?
July 31, 20241 yr 17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: So what's your response to women who say that men shouldn't have control over a womans body? I think women should control their own bodies but I also believe in responsibility for your actions. I dont support abortion for convenience. For rape and incest, my opinion is that the govt shouldn't force women to bear a rapists' child. But I also think there should be a statute of limitations and they shouldn't be able to wait several months to decide to have an abortion. I think the government should protect human life but not at the cost of further harming victims.
July 31, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: I think women should control their own bodies but I also believe in responsibility for your actions. I dont support abortion for convenience. For rape and incest, my opinion is that the govt shouldn't force women to bear a rapists' child. But I also think there should be a statute of limitations and they shouldn't be able to wait several months to decide to have an abortion. I think the government should protect human life but not at the cost of further harming victims. So you believe the government should have control over a woman's body in specific situations
July 31, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: So you believe the government should have control over a woman's body in specific situations Is the govt forcing women to get pregnant or am I missing something?
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