I don't remember if this was posted already but

I expect fewer mistakes this year, a 2nd year for Sirianni and his players to get on the same page, and more depth means less patience with mistakes, like bad picks (you practice this, don't extend your arms, etc.), dropped passes, etc.

We've had to play a lot of young OL due to injuries the last two years, the plus side is that we have a lot of backup OL with game experience.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't remember if this was posted already but

I'll miss ole Shawn. 

Some of you put way too much into stats. You're not taking into account scheme and a number of other factors. You're not looking at the big picture.

54 minutes ago, KDUB1510 said:

This give anyone hope? I counted 8 called back passing TD's. I can remember off the top of my head atleast 4 dropped TD's(Goedert vs CAR, Watkins vs DEN, Reagor & Ward vs NYG). This type of thing happens to every QB but having potentially 12 TD's taken off the board due to penalties/drops seems absurd. On the flip side, im sure you could make a compilation twice as long of his dropped INT's, over/under throws, missed reads etc. 

Nope.  Hurts wasn't the only QB to have called back TDs or dropped TDs, or dropped INTs.  It still puts him at the bottom of the league in terms of TD passes.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  Hurts wasn't the only QB to have called back TDs or dropped TDs, or dropped INTs.  It still puts him at the bottom of the league in terms of TD passes.  

Penalties, like turnovers, are not sticky from year to year. This affected us more than other teams.

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Yeah that’s about right. What would you say would be worth keeping him as starter beyond 2022? 11-12th? 

It is a nice QB draft next year, but it’ll probably cost a ton to move up to the top 3, whereas having 2 new 1st round additions to the Dline/Secondsry next year would be sick

Hurts just have to show incremental improvement across the board, he's a hard worker, so if he shows improvement, odds are he'll continue to improve (i.e. work and discipline won't be the issue, the question is whether he can make those improvements).

He has to improve his mechanics, especially his footwork, his pocket feel, anticipation where his receivers will be and reading defenses. But he doesn't have to make a huge jump in any area, just avoid one bad pass a game and his comp % increases to 65%. Hit guys in stride more often and his ANY/A goes up a yard and he's in the top ten. And so on. It'll also help to be throwing to Brown instead of Reagor!

But he has to show those improvements across the board and build on those as the season progresses.

Never mind that a handful of those penalties are on Hurts for holding the ball too long on the RPOs...

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Never mind that a handful of those penalties are on Hurts for holding the ball too long on the RPOs...

Pretty much every one of those besides maybe 1 was a TD BECAUSE of the penalties too which no one seems to want to talk about.

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

Penalties, like turnovers, are not sticky from year to year. This affected us more than other teams.

Let's say you're right. Do you think it affected us drastically more? 

Hurts had horrible downfield accuracy, was wildly inconsistent, and looked his best when his throwing was minimized.

What does any of that have to do with scheme?  He was entirely unreliable last season.  Until he starts showing otherwise, that's what he is. 

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts just have to show incremental improvement across the board, he's a hard worker, so if he shows improvement, odds are he'll continue to improve (i.e. work and discipline won't be the issue, the question is whether he can make those improvements).

He has to improve his mechanics, especially his footwork, his pocket feel, anticipation where his receivers will be and reading defenses. But he doesn't have to make a huge jump in any area, just avoid one bad pass a game and his comp % increases to 65%. Hit guys in stride more often and his ANY/A goes up a yard and he's in the top ten. And so on. It'll also help to be throwing to Brown instead of Reagor!

But he has to show those improvements across the board and build on those as the season progresses.

He most definitely needs to make a big jump this off season. The front office is not going to settle for incremental improvement. 65% completion rate would rank him 19th overall.

And removing one bad pass from each of his games would take his 28th ranked Completion % of 61.3% to 24th overall at 63.6%.

Just now, hukdonfoniks said:

Hurts had horrible downfield accuracy, was wildly inconsistent, and looked his best when his throwing was minimized.

What does any of that have to do with scheme?  He was entirely unreliable last season.  Until he starts showing otherwise, that's what he is. 

I think the point was that we ran a lot and that minimized how bad his passing actually was

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts just have to show incremental improvement across the board, he's a hard worker, so if he shows improvement, odds are he'll continue to improve (i.e. work and discipline won't be the issue, the question is whether he can make those improvements).

He has to improve his mechanics, especially his footwork, his pocket feel, anticipation where his receivers will be and reading defenses. But he doesn't have to make a huge jump in any area, just avoid one bad pass a game and his comp % increases to 65%. Hit guys in stride more often and his ANY/A goes up a yard and he's in the top ten. And so on. It'll also help to be throwing to Brown instead of Reagor!

But he has to show those improvements across the board and build on those as the season progresses.

You can work from here to eternity and not overcome talent issues. Otherwise who wouldn't be in the NFL?

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  Hurts wasn't the only QB to have called back TDs or dropped TDs, or dropped INTs.  It still puts him at the bottom of the league in terms of TD passes.  

Fair enough. I dont know forsure but im guessing some of those 10 rushing TD's dont happen if we convert some of those passing TD's. That's why i dont like the "what if" scenarios because there are a billion of them. Bottom line, what he put on tape last year wasnt good enough for us to feel comfortable hitching our wagon to him long term. Hopefully he takes that leap this year. 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Let's say you're right. Do you think it affected us drastically more? 

In the first half of the year, yes. We beat SF if not.

Ultimately, it has no impact on this year.

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

He most definitely needs to make a big jump this off season. The front office is not going to settle for incremental improvement. 65% completion rate would rank him 19th overall.

Agreed.  I think Hurts needs to be in the top 10 in most passing categories to warrant the contract extension he'll come asking for after this season (not next season).

He needs to go from 61.3% completion to at least 66%

16 TD and 9 INT needs to increase to at least 28 TD and 11 INT range

Running needs to get below 20% ratio of pass attempts

Fumbling needs to be cut in half

 

Above all, he needs to be competitive against good teams -- playoff teams.

22 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't remember if this was posted already but

Way too many people flying the coop here. 

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Way too many people flying the coop here. 

Eagles front office is among the fattest in the NFL; it could use a trimming.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

What is your point ??  Some of us have a job that affords us the luxury of being able to be on the board all day.  Some of us are the boss like @Outlaw, some of us have the time like @4for4EaglesNest.

I am on the board all day.  While I am on hold with vendors, architects, contractors, the Washington State department of L&I, electrical inspectors, I have plenty of time to post.

I was just bustin' his chops.  

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He’s a drunk who gets owned on the reg.  Last thing that dork should worry about is my standing with my employer.    I might work a total of 10 hours next week.  We’ll see.   

How's the emotional intelligence working today?

 

8 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Way too many people flying the coop here. 

Would you stay at your workplace if your boss kept attacking you? Howie's violence needs to stop.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Agreed.  I think Hurts needs to be in the top 10 in most passing categories to warrant the contract extension he'll come asking for after this season (not next season).

He needs to go from 61.3% completion to at least 66%

16 TD and 9 INT needs to increase to at least 28 TD and 11 INT range

Running needs to get below 20% ratio of pass attempts

Fumbling needs to be cut in half

 

Above all, he needs to be competitive against good teams -- playoff teams.

Top 10 stats would put him at:

Cmp% - 67.2%+

Total Yards (Passing + Rushing Yards) - 4216+

Total TDs (Passing + Rushing TDs) -  29+

I would very much like for his running % to come down closer to 15%. There were only 3 players that were higher than 20%, Lamar Jackson (25.8%), Jalen Hurts (24.3%), and Justin Fields (21.1%). 4th highest is Jameis Winston (16.6%). I don't want to take away Hurts' running ability too much, but running on almost 25% of his total attempts is just too much.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Agreed.  I think Hurts needs to be in the top 10 in most passing categories to warrant the contract extension he'll come asking for after this season (not next season).

He needs to go from 61.3% completion to at least 66%

16 TD and 9 INT needs to increase to at least 28 TD and 11 INT range

Running needs to get below 20% ratio of pass attempts

Fumbling needs to be cut in half

 

Above all, he needs to be competitive against good teams -- playoff teams.

Watson sucked his first playoff game. Playoffs are a different ballgame, and Eagles were outmatched by TB.

If Hurts makes the necessary improvements, it'll show against all opponents b/c he's playing on a much better team.

Last year, the defense couldn't stop a good QB, not just from scoring, but from controlling the game (80% complete does that).

Just now, austinfan said:

Watson sucked his first playoff game. Playoffs are a different ballgame, and Eagles were outmatched by TB.

If Hurts makes the necessary improvements, it'll show against all opponents b/c he's playing on a much better team.

Last year, the defense couldn't stop a good QB, not just from scoring, but from controlling the game (80% complete does that).

How did the defense prevent Hurts and the offense scoring a single point in the first 3 full quarters in the playoffs?

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

Top 10 stats would put him at:

Cmp% - 67.2%+

Total Yards (Passing + Rushing Yards) - 4216+

Total TDs (Passing + Rushing TDs) -  29+

I would very much like for his running % to come down closer to 15%. There were only 3 players that were higher than 20%, Lamar Jackson (25.8%), Jalen Hurts (24.3%), and Justin Fields (21.1%). 4th highest is Jameis Winston (16.6%). I don't want to take away Hurts' running ability too much, but running on almost 25% of his total attempts is just too much.

 

 

I think he should only run when it's obvious that the defense is dropping everyone into coverage. Kind of like McNabb should have done in the SB.

Just now, wussbasket said:

How did the defense prevent Hurts and the offense scoring a single point in the first 3 full quarters in the playoffs?

It tired him out