Just now, CaliEagle said:

When you'd go to the games in the 70s,80s and 90s you would hear the echo of all the radios that people brought just to hear him call the game.  

I was from Philly and living in NYC at the time, but was in LA and first went to Dodger Stadium when Gibson did his thing (wasnt at that game, though) and I was tripping over 3 things.  How late they all got to the park, how damn beautiful it was (the ballpark and the Ravine) and the radios. Amazing.  For me, it fostered the love that baseball deserves for all the reasons (fill in the blanks for what you think why-America's game, the stats, the early sportswriting (epic), the things that can only happen in baseball like Jeter's 3000 w a dinger; I mean WTF).      

 

14 hours ago, Utebird said:

Never said I knew what Watsons issue was, said massage therapist don't routinely .massage the groin, especially ones one might find on Instagram.

Having had areas like my groin massaged before during a massage there are ways the therapist wraps the blanket or sheet around your junk so as to avoid any physical contact with ones junk. ( I had a tumor pressing on multiple organs that caused a lot of pain in that area and others.

As for him not being criminally charged.

He wasn't charged federally 

In civil court he was charged 25 times and settled 24 of those cases, the details of those settlements are confidential mostly to protect the victims, people who are innocent of any criminal activity don't settle in court.

Saying he didn't commit any crime is minimizing and justifying his negative impact on his victims and society.

Saying " we all know he didn't sexually assault those women" is minimizing his actions and stigmatizing his victims.

Justifying his lewd contact as just part of a massage is minimizing and justifying his behavior And victim shaming.

Calling it just" lewd" behavior is minimizing his actions.

Calling it " non violent sexual acts" as the arbitrator did, is minimizing his actions.

 

 

 

Charged in civil court?  He was sued.  Now I can pretty much assure you that @TorontoEagle and I know how to access filings in the Harris County civil courts. I read the civil complaints. You claim you did.  Which citations?  The individual allegations differ. No one is saying that Watson didn’t act like a jerk treating these women as potential prostitutes when he propositioned them. (Which is what some complaints alleged and what I referred to as lewd.) No one is saying if he had deliberate physical contact was acceptable but given it is not proven, as you well point out, it is a he said/she said situation.  Criminal requires beyond a shadow of a doubt, civil requires a preponderance of the evidence.  The NFL Personal Conduct policy is somewhat vague as to the level of proof required. Information suggests the NFL narrowed the focus to five case, not the 25 you continuously bring up.  

As to criminal charges, I am not sure the Federal distinction you state makes any sense.  Police powers afforded federally don’t really apply here.  A Harris County grand jury declined to indict.  So did a Fort Bend County grand jury for one case.  

People who are "innocent” (wrong terminology, you mean are not liable or not negligent) settle or have insurers settle every day.  There is a cost/benefit risk analysis in every case.  Further, Buzbee knows the value of numbers (hence willing to take some lesser cases) in enhancing risk for a defendant. With a confidentiality agreement as part of every settlement, for all you know, the settlements could have ranged from hundreds of dollars to a bit more or a lot.  Now if Buzbee came to Hardin and proposed $10,000 a case, a quarter of a million, pretty much and party or insurer would have jumped because Hardin is probably charging $1,000 an hour.  But ask yourself, if you had been sexually assaulted by a guy that just got Watson’s contract, how little would you have taken?  (Pound of flesh and my day in court for me.)

Finally, a defendant in a criminal case is innocent until proven guilty in this country. That seems lost on you.

14 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I think it’ll be psychological for him. Similar with Agholor. NA was supposed to come in and be Jeremy Maclin. Obviously that wasn’t going to happen. By his 3rd year he was not expected to be the #1 WR, primarily used in the slot, not expected to be a force down the field, had a better head for the game, etc. 

Reagor was overdrafted just like NA. It was unfair to expect him to come in and be a #1 WR in the making. Let him work in the slot, give him some RAC opportunities, and his opportunities to stretch the field in 1on1 situations will be there. 

Him and Quez competing for the #3 WR role is a very good problem to have. 
 

Reagor confuses RAC with ROB (run out of bounds)......don't you guys watch the games?

Reagor competing with Watkins is a joke, if Howie can forget about his pride he will either be cut or have zero snaps at any position, dude hasn't been worth a damn and I expect no change there. 

I know we're on here daily discussing training camp and the reports we are able to read but am I the only one who doesn't think this feels like training camp at all?  I'm the #1 complainer about not having OTA's but I'd assume this is what OTA's fee like.  I'm not sure if it's just the Eagles way or if this is the new NFL but I feel next to no connection to this team. 

Quick, could anyone name a Nasty Nate contender or an UDFA who is standing out? What position battle has been discussed? I sure as hell can't.  The only things I've learned about this team over the last few days and the 15 tweets we get per practice are:

-Hurts has been average, hasn't changed running habits

-AJ Brown as advertised when he gets the ball

-James Bradberry looks very good

-Dean/Davis getting starter reps

-Epps is going to be just fine

-Mile Sanders has bigger thighs than last year

-Pascal had food poisoning

-Kelce like bubble wrap

-Other QBs look so-so

-Calcaterra hurt his hammy

-no live tackling unless they have live tackling

 

That about sums up TC for me.  Sad thing is I don't think I care but that comes from recent years of the same limited coverage.  The less attachment to a team you feel the less you want to invest your time.  Still love the Eagles but this team is no longer a passion for me, but a hobby I like to tinker with.  Used to watch every preseason snap, now I couldn't even tell you when the first game is.  Am I alone with these thoughts?

9 hours ago, blindside said:

I think it’s one of the most obvious outcomes of this season. Hurts doesn’t go through progressions, Brown is his best friend, Goedert gets schemed open.. Devonta will have lousy numbers this season, people will call him a bust or a wasted pick, and it won’t be his fault. It’s a mess

Devonta was Hurts' college teammate.  They should know each other's games and tendency well.  Devonta's touches may go down with Brown in the line-up.  He should still have good numbers albeit less than last season's.

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Quick, could anyone name a Nasty Nate contender or an UDFA who is standing out? What position battle has been discussed? I sure as hell can't.  The only things I've learned about this team over the last few days and the 15 tweets we get per practice are:

I think everyone knows who the starting 11 is on offense.  Defense will be fascinating to see the snap counts once the regular season starts, especially at LB.  Edwards, White, Dean and Taylor are all battling for playing time while there are only 2 LB on the field now in the base defense.  DL is a rotation position now, but who gets the most snap counts between Cox, Hargrave, Davis, and Milton Williams?  Does Davis come out of the game on 3rd downs/obvious passing downs in the beginning?

Graham, Sweat, Reddick and Barnett at DE/EDGE is interesting as well.  Barnett should come out of the game on every 3rd down just because he’s a penalty waiting to happen.

8 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I was listening to NFL Radio tour of training camps today; they covered the Bills, Cardinals, and Eagles.  Most of it was all flowery crap in interviews (hope springs eternal in training camps) but during the Eagles segment they interviewed Hurts, AJ Brown, Reddick, Slay, and Howie Roseman.  
 

During their interview with Howie they asked him about what went into the decision to acquire AJ Brown.  Howie said they "did a lot of work on him pre-draft, and wanted to move back up to draft him, but they didn’t have enough capital to do so”.

I’m almost hoping Howie was just spinning a yarn because this statement made very little sense to me other than coming away thinking they really moved around the board poorly.  AJ Brown went #51 and the Eagles had the #53 pick.  They couldn’t have moved up from #53 to 49 or 50??  When they moved up from #25 to 22 to select Dillard they gave up their 4th and 6th round picks (127 and 197) leaving them with #53, 57, 138, 167.  Thorson was a wasted pick at #167 and Shareef Miller wasn’t much better at #138.

I have to think they could have dealt a future pick to move up from #53 to select Brown, and Sanders likely still would have been there to take at #57 — the next RB went off the board at #70.  Instead Howie ended up taking JJAW at #57.

My only thought with that is they wanted to use #57 to move up because they wanted (and needed) Sanders and thought he was not going to be there at 57.

Houston had two picks after them and they needed a RB.

They could have misinterpreted the board at that time though.

31 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I know we're on here daily discussing training camp and the reports we are able to read but am I the only one who doesn't think this feels like training camp at all?  I'm the #1 complainer about not having OTA's but I'd assume this is what OTA's fee like.  I'm not sure if it's just the Eagles way or if this is the new NFL but I feel next to no connection to this team. 

Quick, could anyone name a Nasty Nate contender or an UDFA who is standing out? What position battle has been discussed? I sure as hell can't.  The only things I've learned about this team over the last few days and the 15 tweets we get per practice are:

-Hurts has been average, hasn't changed running habits

-AJ Brown as advertised when he gets the ball

-James Bradberry looks very good

-Dean/Davis getting starter reps

-Epps is going to be just fine

-Mile Sanders has bigger thighs than last year

-Pascal had food poisoning

-Kelce like bubble wrap

-Other QBs look so-so

-Calcaterra hurt his hammy

-no live tackling unless they have live tackling

 

That about sums up TC for me.  Sad thing is I don't think I care but that comes from recent years of the same limited coverage.  The less attachment to a team you feel the less you want to invest your time.  Still love the Eagles but this team is no longer a passion for me, but a hobby I like to tinker with.  Used to watch every preseason snap, now I couldn't even tell you when the first game is.  Am I alone with these thoughts?

This is the first year I can recall that TC is just kind of there but there is very little of interest about.  I suppose the Hurts stuff isn't helping as it's become so repetitive.

43 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I know we're on here daily discussing training camp and the reports we are able to read but am I the only one who doesn't think this feels like training camp at all?  I'm the #1 complainer about not having OTA's but I'd assume this is what OTA's fee like.  I'm not sure if it's just the Eagles way or if this is the new NFL but I feel next to no connection to this team. 

Quick, could anyone name a Nasty Nate contender or an UDFA who is standing out? What position battle has been discussed? I sure as hell can't.  The only things I've learned about this team over the last few days and the 15 tweets we get per practice are:

-Hurts has been average, hasn't changed running habits

-AJ Brown as advertised when he gets the ball

-James Bradberry looks very good

-Dean/Davis getting starter reps

-Epps is going to be just fine

-Mile Sanders has bigger thighs than last year

-Pascal had food poisoning

-Kelce like bubble wrap

-Other QBs look so-so

-Calcaterra hurt his hammy

-no live tackling unless they have live tackling

 

That about sums up TC for me.  Sad thing is I don't think I care but that comes from recent years of the same limited coverage.  The less attachment to a team you feel the less you want to invest your time.  Still love the Eagles but this team is no longer a passion for me, but a hobby I like to tinker with.  Used to watch every preseason snap, now I couldn't even tell you when the first game is.  Am I alone with these thoughts?

Not entirely. I still look forward to game days themselves. I enjoy watching games that count, but I’ve never been the most passionate person when it comes to TC or OTAs. 
 

We talking’ ‘bout practice man…

In recent years, I’m even less enthusiastic about anything preseason related. I still follow, but it’s more at a distance. It’s not at all uncommon for names to be mentioned during TC or preseason and I’m left wondering…

My Sundays during the season still revolve around watching the Birds, but I’m just not as concerned about being as informed during TC as I used to be. 

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Gonna be a slow day in here today, without all of that practice action to discuss.  Maybe ESP will tweet out RPS results?  Or maybe today is another photo op day.  Boxing/Rocky last week, maybe they can do the Titantic today.  My only question, in this picture between Hurts and AJ Brown, which one is Jack?  @Swoop @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!.  You know what to do.  

 

Jack is AJ. Hurts would never turn away from the camera like that. 

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jack is AJ. Hurts would never turn away from the camera like that. 

The real question is....which is Bacarty and which is RTK?

Any word on the extent of Seumalo's injury? Kempski said it didn't look serious.

Someone, who shall remain nameless, was in here gloating over the injury. Vile.

Mosher said Calcaterra will be out a few weeks, which is a shame as it sounded like he was having a strong camp. He would have been one to watch during the preseason games.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Gonna be a slow day in here today, without all of that practice action to discuss.  Maybe ESP will tweet out RPS results?  Or maybe today is another photo op day.  Boxing/Rocky last week, maybe they can do the Titantic today.  My only question, in this picture between Hurts and AJ Brown, which one is Jack?  @Swoop @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!.  You know what to do.  

 

 

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Any word on the extent of Seumalo's injury? Kempski said it didn't look serious.

Someone, who shall remain nameless, was in here gloating over the injury. Vile.

I searched this topic with the words injury, injured, Isaac, Seumalo, and can not find one post reflecting the bolded.

Who was it, or just some BS ??

21 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Any word on the extent of Seumalo's injury? Kempski said it didn't look serious.

He also said that Seumalo slammed his helmet down, which would make me think that it might have been more serious than it looked.  Lots of injuries seem benign unless you have the benefit of replay to see exactly what happened in that instant.  So, who knows what the severity of the injury really is until more news hits?

23 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Good ol' IR Isaac never disappoints

18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I searched this topic with the words injury, injured, Isaac, Seumalo, and can not find one post reflecting the bolded.

Who was it, or just some BS ??

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He also said that Seumalo slammed his helmet down, which would make me think that it might have been more serious than it looked.  Lots of injuries seem benign unless you have the benefit of replay to see exactly what happened in that instant.  So, who knows what the severity of the injury really is until more news hits?

Right you are, which is why I asked.

 

5 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Right you are, which is why I asked.

 

Nothing in the quoted posts is anyone "gloating" over the injury.  Nice try though.

Just now, downundermike said:

Nothing in the quoted posts is anyone "gloating" over the injury.  Nice try though.

You don't see anything in Shalodeep's post? Wow.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

You don't see anything in Shalodeep's post? Wow.

 

Guy has missed 21 of 33 games the last two seasons, the comment was tongue in cheek.  Not our fault you don't get it.

 

23 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Good ol' IR Isaac never disappoints

 

Just now, downundermike said:

 

Guy has missed 21 of 33 games the last two seasons, the comment was tongue in cheek.  Not our fault you don't get it.

 

 

You are correct. I don't get it.

6 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Charged in civil court?  He was sued.  Now I can pretty much assure you that @TorontoEagle and I know how to access filings in the Harris County civil courts. I read the civil complaints. You claim you did.  Which citations?  The individual allegations differ. No one is saying that Watson didn’t act like a jerk treating these women as potential prostitutes when he propositioned them. (Which is what some complaints alleged and what I referred to as lewd.) No one is saying if he had deliberate physical contact was acceptable but given it is not proven, as you well point out, it is a he said/she said situation.  Criminal requires beyond a shadow of a doubt, civil requires a preponderance of the evidence.  The NFL Personal Conduct policy is somewhat vague as to the level of proof required. Information suggests the NFL narrowed the focus to five case, not the 25 you continuously bring up.  

As to criminal charges, I am not sure the Federal distinction you state makes any sense.  Police powers afforded federally don’t really apply here.  A Harris County grand jury declined to indict.  So did a Fort Bend County grand jury for one case.  

People who are "innocent” (wrong terminology, you mean are not liable or not negligent) settle or have insurers settle every day.  There is a cost/benefit risk analysis in every case.  Further, Buzbee knows the value of numbers (hence willing to take some lesser cases) in enhancing risk for a defendant. With a confidentiality agreement as part of every settlement, for all you know, the settlements could have ranged from hundreds of dollars to a bit more or a lot.  Now if Buzbee came to Hardin and proposed $10,000 a case, a quarter of a million, pretty much and party or insurer would have jumped because Hardin is probably charging $1,000 an hour.  But ask yourself, if you had been sexually assaulted by a guy that just got Watson’s contract, how little would you have taken?  (Pound of flesh and my day in court for me.)

Finally, a defendant in a criminal case is innocent until proven guilty in this country. That seems lost on you

Wow that's the longest justification I've ever read.

One can't be innocent in the eyes of the court until proven guilty if one is never charged and brought before the court no?

Being liable Instead of guilty doesn't minimize what Watson did not does it minimize the  negative impacts Watson's choices had on his victims.

Whether the reward in civil court was 1$ or 1 million doesn't minimize or justify Watsons actions.

As for citations really u read the ones that were released to the public, no need to go and look them up in the county.

Having said that since Watson was never charged throwing out federal court jargon is really beside the point and all we have to go on is the confidential result of the civil suits and as you said I said, it comes down to " he said she said"

Cases like Watsons aren't abnormal, plenty of women make legal complaints about sexual violence by men towards them, and most of those cases go no further than that initial complaint as without any physical evidence or eye witness it comes down to he said she said and most dudes aren't going to incriminate themselves. What makes Watsons case unique is the sheer number of victims all telling similar experiences of Watsons predatory behavior.

In a he said she said case 24 victims is a lot more she saids than Watsons 1 he said.

In a civil suit one doesn't have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt and 24 individual testimonies against Watson creates probable cause.

Ruling probable cause in a civil court instead of guilt in a federal court doesn't change or minimize or justify what Watson did.

After reading the women's accounts I was appalled by Watsons actions.

That he wasn't charged federally or found guilty federally didnt change how I felt about the victims statements, I didn't question their sincerity in their claims or question whether or not what they claimed Watson did was less worse.

If you did that's on you, I'm going to stick with the 25 women victims and choose to believe those 25 over the voice of one man.At the same time I feel zero need to justify or minimize what he did, why would I???why does anybody feel the need to minimize justify sexual violence? 

No amount of legal jargon is going to lessen the impact Watsons actions had on those women.

If you don't think Watson did what those women said he did just say that.

If you don't think it was that bad  doing so is minimizing and justifying.

Do yourself and us a favor and Instead of writing a10 page law jargon filled dick measuring contest just simply state.

I don't believe the 25 women and if I did what Watson did to them wasn't that bad...

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You are correct. I don't get it.

Well, let me see if I can make it clear for you.

23 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Good ol' IR Isaac ( he has missed 19 of 33 games the last two years, so he has been on IR 57.6% of the time ) never disappoints ( possibly back on IR and missing multiple games, so doing what he has done the last two years )

Does this help ??  

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Who?

Apparently the post above by @Shalodeep is gloating.  Hopefully me explanation will help him understand.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

@justrelax  There's no there, there.  

You may be right. I seemed to me that he was taking pleasure in Isaac's injury. If I'm wrong, my bad.