The current conversation does raise an interesting discussion.

DeVonta had 64 catches for 916 yards and 5 TD's as a rookie.  With his move down the depth chart, and Reagor possibly playing better, Quez and Paschal getting targets, what do you predict his stat line to look like this year.

Quez was #3 in targets last year, ended up with 62 targets, 43 catches for 647 yards and 1 TD.  Does Hurts take a significant leap as a passer so the offense can feature the passing game and keep all the receivers happy.  If the offense reverts to last year and a run heavy approach, how long until DeVonta becomes visibly frustrated at his lack of targets and production, especially if the Eagles are not winning ????

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

what time do your games start? I played in the Sports outlets league here in South Jersey for years and we'd start at 9am. Double header(starting 1-1), 3rd strike foul is an out. and We'd usually be done by 1130-12. Have a couple beers after, get home right in time for 1pm starts. 

5 pm to 930 pm as the latest. It's only one game per Sunday, we start at 0-0 counts. 3rd strike foul is also an out. Games are allotted an hour and a half, but we usually finish around 60 to 75 minutes. Won't know the playoff schedule until the week of, basically. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

They didn't want to extend Holllywood Brown, so he asked for a trade. The Ravens are looking smart in not doing that.

Also, what young player that the Eagles wanted to extend, end up not resigning here? We keep everyone we want to.

 

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Not the report I heard numerous times.

Everything I heard was Brown and lamar were buddies, Brown went behind LAmar to get out of Baltimore because of the offense and style Lamar brought to the table. 

 

@RLC, it is a rough day when you get owned by bacarty.

 

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-cardinals-hollywood-brown-trade-reason-20220429-oxxgbaornvhbtklr7wnq6puxz4-story.html

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Former Ravens wide receiver Marquise "Hollywood” Brown said his unhappiness with his role in the team’s offense led him to seek a trade this offseason.

"I let him know again [toward the end of last season], like, ‘Yeah, bro, I can’t do it,’” Brown said. "And it’s not really on Lamar. Like, I love Lamar. It was just, the system wasn’t for me, personally. I love all my teammates, I love the guys, but it was just something I had to think about for myself. The Ravens — we both handled it the right way. I didn’t go out and make anything public. I just kept it in-house, kept working and, you know, it all worked out.”

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The current conversation does raise an interesting discussion.

DeVonta had 64 catches for 916 yards and 5 TD's as a rookie.  With his move down the depth chart, and Reagor possibly playing better, Quez and Paschal getting targets, what do you predict his stat line to look like this year.

Quez was #3 in targets last year, ended up with 62 targets, 43 catches for 647 yards and 1 TD.  Does Hurts take a significant leap as a passer so the offense can feature the passing game and keep all the receivers happy.  If the offense reverts to last year and a run heavy approach, how long until DeVonta becomes visibly frustrated at his lack of targets and production, especially if the Eagles are not winning ????

Lol. Reagor is a lost cause my man. 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Lol. Reagor is a lost cause my man. 

Most likely, but he has no pressure to be a top WR, is in a contract year, so maybe he does enough to steal targets.  DeVonta is now #3 on the list for targets behind AJ and Goedert, and will be fighting with Quez, Reagor and Paschal for targets.

Just now, downundermike said:

Most likely, but he has no pressure to be a top WR, is in a contract year, so maybe he does enough to steal targets.  DeVonta is now #3 on the list for targets behind AJ and Goedert, and will be fighting with Quez, Reagor and Paschal for targets.

I'd be happy if Reagor doesn't even make the team. Mr. JAG Greg Ward is preferable to Reagor. 

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The current conversation does raise an interesting discussion.

DeVonta had 64 catches for 916 yards and 5 TD's as a rookie.  With his move down the depth chart, and Reagor possibly playing better, Quez and Paschal getting targets, what do you predict his stat line to look like this year.

Quez was #3 in targets last year, ended up with 62 targets, 43 catches for 647 yards and 1 TD.  Does Hurts take a significant leap as a passer so the offense can feature the passing game and keep all the receivers happy.  If the offense reverts to last year and a run heavy approach, how long until DeVonta becomes visibly frustrated at his lack of targets and production, especially if the Eagles are not winning ????

Rough guess, assuming all stay relatively healthy:

 

Brown 80 catches for 1,100 yards

Smith 65 catches for 900

Goedert 60 catches for 800

Quez 40 catches for 550

Reagor/Paschal combined -- 35 catches for 400

 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

ESP, the big Hurts apologist, just said that the passing game has not looked better so far this TC, compared to last year.  And he obviously blames Hurts for that.   He’s also said, which is a key point I made, that Hurts has thrown slightly less this camp than last year.  That’s obviously more noteworthy than statistics and actual results.  So, @RememberTheKoy tell us again how the coaching staff is all in on Hurts?  

https://www.audacy.com/94wip/sports/eagles/jalen-hurts-struggling-or-eagles-defense-shining

18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The current conversation does raise an interesting discussion.

DeVonta had 64 catches for 916 yards and 5 TD's as a rookie.  With his move down the depth chart, and Reagor possibly playing better, Quez and Paschal getting targets, what do you predict his stat line to look like this year.

Quez was #3 in targets last year, ended up with 62 targets, 43 catches for 647 yards and 1 TD.  Does Hurts take a significant leap as a passer so the offense can feature the passing game and keep all the receivers happy.  If the offense reverts to last year and a run heavy approach, how long until DeVonta becomes visibly frustrated at his lack of targets and production, especially if the Eagles are not winning ????

Does DeVonta really seem like that type of player to you?

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

AHHH! I didnt know you guys started at night. Unsure if I'd play in a league light that. 

Softball is late summer into early fall, sunday mornings, home by 1230

Dek Hockey is Fall into Winter, home by 1130

Ice his stupid late during the week.

Meh we've been in this league for 15 years now, it's kinda nice playing Sunday nights cause you can still go away for a weekend and get back in time for ball. A few bevvies and wings post game and home in time to get enough sleep for work. Even better that remote work is a thing now. 

Plus, the diamond we play at is right on the waterfront, and when you bat you're looking directly up at the CN Tower, which at night always looks cool (15 years in, and I still love the damn thing). 

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Been saying this when everyone was wanting a WR in the Draft.

Let's just say Hurts has  20% more attempts  this year(which Is a LOT and I doubt it) but that brings us to 520 attempts(round numbers) 

AJ Brown gets 120 of those Targets(what Smith got last year, plus a little more cause they're BFF. ) 

Goedert had 75 targets last year, Ertz had 30 and remember Goedert missed 2 games. SO we should bank on Geodert flirting with 100 targets also.

The Running backs got 110 ish and  I dont see that changing much. 

So, we have 200 attempts left for, Quez, Smith, Reagor, Pascal and any other randoms who may get 1 or 2 attempts(Stoll, JJAW, Lane Johnson)

So realistically, 60 Targets, 36 catches 500 yards? 

This will be a rough year for WR targets, unfortunately. But, the idea of having these offensive skill players together should make next years QB's life much easier. Either a rookie walks into the greatest situation they could find themselves in (great o-line, great weapons); or it's enough to entice a veteran QB to want to come here. The effect this year is that it removes any other excuses Hurts supporters have. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Rough guess, assuming all stay relatively healthy:

 

Brown 80 catches for 1,100 yards

Smith 65 catches for 900

Goedert 60 catches for 800

Quez 40 catches for 550

Reagor/Paschal combined -- 35 catches for 400

 

That is 280 total catches.  The top 6 guys last year had 255 catches, and that is with Gainwell having 33 ( 4th ) and Sanders having 26 ( 6th )

So Smith, Quez, Reagor/Paschal also will be fighting for catches with the RB's who combined for 59 catches.

Someone is going to be unhappy this year.

 

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The current conversation does raise an interesting discussion.

DeVonta had 64 catches for 916 yards and 5 TD's as a rookie.  With his move down the depth chart, and Reagor possibly playing better, Quez and Paschal getting targets, what do you predict his stat line to look like this year.

Quez was #3 in targets last year, ended up with 62 targets, 43 catches for 647 yards and 1 TD.  Does Hurts take a significant leap as a passer so the offense can feature the passing game and keep all the receivers happy.  If the offense reverts to last year and a run heavy approach, how long until DeVonta becomes visibly frustrated at his lack of targets and production, especially if the Eagles are not winning ????

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh, well in that case   

 

 

What nonsense.

7 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Does DeVonta really seem like that type of player to you?

Remind me, who was the guy that was visibly frustrated and threw his helmet at the end of the Giants game...........................

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh, well in that case   

 

 

Whoa, Hurts is going to take a fantasy leap???

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Whoa, Hurts is going to take a fantasy leap???

That is the problem with fantasy football, to many people confuse it with real football.

Week 6 last year, Tampa Bay beat the Eagles handily, and Jalen Hurts passed for 115 yards, completing 46% of his passes.

Fantasy football wise, Hurts outscored Brady 24 points to 21 points.

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

That is 280 total catches.  The top 6 guys last year had 255 catches, and that is with Gainwell having 33 ( 4th ) and Sanders having 26 ( 6th )

So Smith, Quez, Reagor/Paschal also will be fighting for catches with the RB's who combined for 59 catches.

Someone is going to be unhappy this year.

 

They'll throw more this year; they have to.  Last season they threw 494 passes and ran 550 running plays.  1,044 plays in 17 games = 61 (or 62) plays per game.

Tampa Bay -- 731 passes to 385 runs = 65.9% pass offense

Kansas City -- 675 passes to 431 runs = 61% pass offense

Dallas -- 647 passes to 473 runs = 57.8% pass offense

Chargers -- 674 passes to 423 runs = 61.4% pass offense

Bills -- 655 passes to 461 runs  = 58.7% pass offense

 

Those are the top 5 NFL offenses from last season.  It's not just Howie and Lurie that want to win by throwing the football, it's how the league does it.  The Eagles 47.3% pass offense sticks out like a sore thumb.  Hurts will have to keep up or get out of the way.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

They'll throw more this year; they have to.  Last season they threw 494 passes and ran 550 running plays.  1,044 plays in 17 games = 61 (or 62) plays per game.

Tampa Bay -- 731 passes to 385 runs = 65.9% pass offense

Kansas City -- 675 passes to 431 runs = 61% pass offense

Dallas -- 647 passes to 473 runs = 57.8% pass offense

Chargers -- 674 passes to 423 runs = 61.4% pass offense

Bills -- 655 passes to 461 runs  = 58.7% pass offense

 

Those are the top 5 NFL offenses from last season.  It's not just Howie and Lurie that want to win by throwing the football, it's how the league does it.  The Eagles 47.3% pass offense sticks out like a sore thumb.  Hurts will have to keep up or get out of the way.

They tried that approach last year, and when it was clear that the QB could not win that way, they had to go run heavy the second half of the season.

So, if the same thing unfolds this year, do you support going back to a run heavy approach, or changing the QB ??

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

They tried that approach last year, and when it was clear that the QB could not win that way, they had to go run heavy the second half of the season.

So, if the same thing unfolds this year, do you support going back to a run heavy approach, or changing the QB ??

Was hoping to see Devin Lloyd play last night. Apparently hes dealing with a hamstring injury.

21 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Remind me, who was the guy that was visibly frustrated and threw his helmet at the end of the Giants game...........................

And?

He wanted the ball at the end of the game that they lost and he was frustrated with that, especially with them losing. He is a competitor. It happens.

He did not throw Hurts under the bus. He did not throw the coaches under the bus. He did not whine and complain at a press conference. He has always been known as a calm and composed player throughout his college and rookie year.

19 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

They'll throw more this year; they have to.  Last season they threw 494 passes and ran 550 running plays.  1,044 plays in 17 games = 61 (or 62) plays per game.

Tampa Bay -- 731 passes to 385 runs = 65.9% pass offense

Kansas City -- 675 passes to 431 runs = 61% pass offense

Dallas -- 647 passes to 473 runs = 57.8% pass offense

Chargers -- 674 passes to 423 runs = 61.4% pass offense

Bills -- 655 passes to 461 runs  = 58.7% pass offense

 

Those are the top 5 NFL offenses from last season.  It's not just Howie and Lurie that want to win by throwing the football, it's how the league does it.  The Eagles 47.3% pass offense sticks out like a sore thumb.  Hurts will have to keep up or get out of the way.

 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

People forget we had 2 seasons within the season last year. 

Sure, we had 494 passes last year. 

BUT!!!! When we were winning(the last 9 games) we averaged 24 attempts. Thats 408 Attempts. So to think we're gonna be north of 600 passes is laughable 

 

Agreed.  The Eagles changed the offensive philosophy in Detroit.

Before Detroit, they passed the ball 242 times over 7 games, and people thought we passed to much, 17 game pace of 587 attempts.

Detroit and after, the passed the ball 164 times over 8 games, 17 game pace of 348 attempts.

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

And?

He wanted the ball at the end of the game that they lost and he was frustrated with that, especially with them losing. He is a competitor. It happens.

He did not throw Hurts under the bus. He did not throw the coaches under the bus. He did not whine and complain at a press conference. He has always been known as a calm and composed player throughout his college and rookie year.

Yep, so he will not throw anyone under the bus, he will just quietly find a situation to maximize his talent and $$.

22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

That is the problem with fantasy football, to many people confuse it with real football.

Week 6 last year, Tampa Bay beat the Eagles handily, and Jalen Hurts passed for 115 yards, completing 46% of his passes.

Fantasy football wise, Hurts outscored Brady 24 points to 21 points.

30 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Rough guess, assuming all stay relatively healthy:

 

Brown 80 catches for 1,100 yards

Smith 65 catches for 900

Goedert 60 catches for 800

Quez 40 catches for 550

Reagor/Paschal combined -- 35 catches for 400

 

I would look at targets. Last year the Eagles had roughly 500 pass attempts. RBs had 100, which should stay the same. Ertz and Reagor combined for 88, and while Reagor may get a few if someone is injured, it is a safe bet he won't see that many.

Brown will likely see 125, and Smith and Goedert will probably see 100. Watkins will probably get 60. That puts us at 485.

The Eagles ran an average number of plays last year, but I see that number going up by about 50 due to an improved defense. So figure 550 runs and 550 passes. So we have 65 targets left for Reagor, Pascal and whomever else. That seems like a likely distribution. 

Hurts needs to average 7.3 ypa to reach 4,000 yards with 550 attempts. That seems pretty doable. If his rushing stats are similar, that puts him at 4,800 yards, which is 282 yards a game, which is solidly in the top 10, and probably his ceiling.

This is a pretty realistic scenario for Hurts showing moderate growth and accounting for Brown's impact on the offense. It's also the standard for him getting a market-level extension and what he needs to do to make us competitive with the best teams.